Ya know, I hate to be the antagonist in a flame war (well ok I guess not really) but I've got to say that if more [edit] actually used Open Beta for it's intended purpose and actually tested the game as well as reported bugs rather than power level or use the Beta as they're own personal "I wanna play the game" time..we might not have so many damn bugs now.
Me? I read every line slowly and took in the story, I tested and tried things in the game to see if they worked or didn't work. I reported umpteen dozen bugs and faithfully did so. I get the feeling many didn't.
Thoughts?
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You have to expect that open beta attracts people unable and unwilling to formulate proper bug reports. And in a sense they are not expected to. The Devs of any game know they have their hard core of testers and open beta is merely a stress test and these extra bodies are server load.
It's when these people cry about their bad gaming experience or bugs that ruined their game that I become quite annoyed. Beta in any environment owes you nothing, even if you are just freeloading for fun it's gonna break and you better get used to it.
Not only did I get D/C ONCE the whole day, the server lag and rubberbanding were visibly less.
I also never spawned in space as a captain, or on ground as a ship, and not once did i beam down without my away team.
From experience, this was a very smooth launch, BUT bear in mind this isn't the official game launch, this is the headstart... i sincerely hope we see such a smooth performance on the day the game goes officially live.
To bad they didn't take all those reports to heart.... broken war/borg mission when you have to scan 8 nodes and then have to destroy the 4 hubs and upon completion getting Encryption Error.... or when you die in pvp and you cannnot respawn and when you sometimes you do, you cannot target the other team because they are flagged as being on your team... and I could go on
It has been said many times and even reported by tentonhammer in an interview with some Cryptic exec, that open beta is not the primary place where bugs are found, it's a unvieling of the game to the public and primarily a promotional period. This wasn't even a true open beta because the keys were exclusive and not just freely given out. Most folks paid to be in the Open Beta.
Something that was mentioned by several people who hit Admiral, was their testing of higher level content. Most folks scoffed, but they had a valid point.
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The bugs IMHO are down to sloppiness. I believe the Developers listen to what they wanna hear.
For example, the moonwalker bug is still there despite I'm sure plenty of people reporting it and there being a forum post about it.
So whilst I agree some people coulda been more proactive, it requires the Devs to be reactive enough. That I'm afraid is sorely missing.
http://forums.startrekonline.com/forumdisplay.php?f=75
Reporting bugs was our national passtime.
Unfortunately reporting them and getting them fixed are two different things. We reported our broken PvP kit vendors the day they broke and here we are, what, 2 weeks later? Still broken.
You really weren't here on CB and OB were you?
No idea of the bugs present in the game whatsoever at that time
This.
OP has to be a troll.
I may not have been in depth enough to proof read it all but then the way I see it is if we all were busy reading every line and taking our time then no one would reach the later stages to test the higher level content. Seeing as we had spent most of the first half of the OB going over the sub lvl 16 content many times over I saw it as a genuine need to see what needed fixing later on.
Just like there were people that tested the hell out of the PVP....personally I didn't.
So to sum it up I think there were by far enough people doing there own bit in their own way and it was plain to see by the half a million bug reports that had been placed. To have you then complain about people not testing to your standards is a bit short sighted.
This is by no means a dig or a flame at your post Mr OP just simply feel that us 'Open Beta Idiots' as you put it are not as idiotic as you believe.
Oh and one more thing......if we wish to have a laugh and a joke now that it is headstart and the actual game then i'm sorry but who are you to dictate how we choose to spend our time? I think we have earned a bit of fun time now it's all (for the most part) over and done with, don't you?
Peace
I personally entered dozens of bugs during Open Beta. I leveled only two characters, and only one of them to Lt Cmdr. I heard many people saying they were reporting bugs as well. That is why so many things were fixed during the beta Period and the game is way way more stable now than it was when OB started.
The whole "where's sulu" thing is probably going down in the annals of MMORPG history not unlike "leeroy jenkins". It was so bad that devs had to waste time putting npc's into the starbase that talk about how "Sulu is in the Admiral's office" for God's sake.
It's unfortunate yes, but I guess it can't be helped. I just get frustrated by the ATI ground mission/crash bug that I deal with every single time (since OP began) I beam down and start fighting but otherwise I haven't got too many things to complain about but I sure see alot of other folks complaining about them on the Bug Board. Yes I think the game is more stable now as well since then but not everyone is in agreement. Perhaps those of you calling me a troll should check over there first and maybe you'll see what I mean.
Anyways, people are people. I can't blame someone for the fact that their Dad's also their Uncle, it's not their fault after all.
I wholeheartedly disagree.
Rabble rouser, yes.
Clueless, no.
Oh, I just got an infraction point against me now from Cryptic because I wrote "Idiot" in the title of this thread. Wow, I applaud your timely response to such a threat to forums..no doubt one that could have shaken the very foundation of the Star Trek Online community. I'll be a good boy from now on. I'll eat all my vegetables, I promise. I'll even clean the dishes. No more infraction points, please sir. I'll even stop complaining about how STO kicks me out on every ground mission, PLEASE.
I'm afraid you reinforced my conclusion. I, good and humble sir, was not the one who reported the post. I suspect, however, that there were any number of people who took objection to your referring to your beta testing brethren with that invective.
It's unfortunate they didn't read my post before reporting me, they would have seen that I wasn't referring to all of my "beta testing brethren", just a select few and obviously it was one of them who reported me. Bravo.
Hatred toward noobs and poor anger manger management on the part of more experienced member is a sign of immaturity and reflects badly on the MMO community.
There will always be novices and inexperienced players joining the game. Be polite and help them out, or quietly ignore them entirely. Such flaming posts only create ill will and tension in the community where players just want to play the game and have fun.
Notice how Headstart patches where only around 100mb from Open Beta... dont tell me that 100mb worth of files fixed every bug from CB to OB.
Not to belabor a point that should be pretty obvious but Open Beta was not about Beta testing and the fact that headstart got underway with pretty much the same game that open beta finished with should make that clear. Open Beta was about two things, marketing and stress testing and as much as anything it was about marketing serving as the single best reason for people to pre order. Did open beta allow them to also get a head start on bug squashing before the crush of live hits, sure, but is the game we started OB with really any different than what we started live with, save the patching of stress elements, not really.
But this subject is now old, let's just move on folks. STO was rushed out the door - such is life - let's see how it holds up and how well Cryptic finishes it in live because, ultimately, that is pretty much what will make or break the game as a subscription based product.
Jolly bad luck on your part that someone reported you.......however I do find it interesting how quickly Cryptic responds to someone reporting you and yet there are still ongoing concerns over certain topics that they just do not seem to be making a single comment on.
Which leads me to think that cryptic are definately aware of these ongoing concerns. *cough skill tree borkedness cough*
Peace
I'm still bugging like it was still OB, as there were no changes as far as I can tell between OB and Headstart.
Yes, alot of people ****ed all over the Beta Tester Responsibilities and embraced self gratification.
Maybe a lot did but erm......half a mill tickets? o.0
That same bug exists in WoW, 6 years later. your point?
I appreciate that you have feelings. But the avenue through which you are expressing them is actually judgemental and abusive. There is something called, "boundaries." :rolleyes:
Focus on your side of the street...
Could it be that major bugs are supposed to be squashed by Open Beta? Open Beta is generally for small bugs and stress testing. Get Real!