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Open Beta & Idiots (Yeah I said it)

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Ya know, I hate to be the antagonist in a flame war (well ok I guess not really) but I've got to say that if more [edit] actually used Open Beta for it's intended purpose and actually tested the game as well as reported bugs rather than power level or use the Beta as they're own personal "I wanna play the game" time..we might not have so many damn bugs now.

Me? I read every line slowly and took in the story, I tested and tried things in the game to see if they worked or didn't work. I reported umpteen dozen bugs and faithfully did so. I get the feeling many didn't.

Thoughts?


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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    This will not end well...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    DeLacey wrote:
    Ya know, I hate to be the antagonist in a flame war (well ok I guess not really) but I've got to say that if more Open Beta Idiots (and you know who you are "Where's Sulu" and "Look I'm Tier 5 already") actually used Open Beta for it's intended purpose and actually tested the game as well as reported bugs rather than power level or use the Beta as they're own personal "I wanna play the game" time..we might not have so many damn bugs now.

    Me? I read every line slowly and took in the story, I tested and tried things in the game to see if they worked or didn't work. I reported umpteen dozen bugs and faithfully did so. I get the feeling many didn't.

    Thoughts?

    You have to expect that open beta attracts people unable and unwilling to formulate proper bug reports. And in a sense they are not expected to. The Devs of any game know they have their hard core of testers and open beta is merely a stress test and these extra bodies are server load.
    It's when these people cry about their bad gaming experience or bugs that ruined their game that I become quite annoyed. Beta in any environment owes you nothing, even if you are just freeloading for fun it's gonna break and you better get used to it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I just want to say. Yesterday was one of the best game openings I have ever taken apart in.

    Not only did I get D/C ONCE the whole day, the server lag and rubberbanding were visibly less.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I must admit that once the authentication issue was dealt with, i had a thoroughly enjoyable evening with no disconnections, a little rubber banding, and only twice did i even see the error "Server not responding" when moving between maps... and it caught up with itself and didn't drop me.
    I also never spawned in space as a captain, or on ground as a ship, and not once did i beam down without my away team.
    From experience, this was a very smooth launch, BUT bear in mind this isn't the official game launch, this is the headstart... i sincerely hope we see such a smooth performance on the day the game goes officially live.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    There will be people who didn't play to test and just wanted to play the game before anyone else, but there will also be people who did alot of bug reporting like yourself. I did a few in the week of the open beta after getting my pre-order. But there is also the other aspect that they were reported, but cryptic haven't gotten round to fixing them yet either. So although I to can understand what your saying and were your coming from, it's really down to cryptic having to rush sto out for deadline purposes.. Lets just hope that alot of fixes are on the way.;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    You have to expect that open beta attracts people unable and unwilling to formulate proper bug reports. And in a sense they are not expected to. The Devs of any game know they have their hard core of testers and open beta is merely a stress test and these extra bodies are server load.
    It's when these people cry about their bad gaming experience or bugs that ruined their game that I become quite annoyed. Beta in any environment owes you nothing, even if you are just freeloading for fun it's gonna break and you better get used to it.

    To bad they didn't take all those reports to heart.... broken war/borg mission when you have to scan 8 nodes and then have to destroy the 4 hubs and upon completion getting Encryption Error.... or when you die in pvp and you cannnot respawn and when you sometimes you do, you cannot target the other team because they are flagged as being on your team... and I could go on
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    This is the silliest thing I've heard in awhile. My thought is sarcasm.

    It has been said many times and even reported by tentonhammer in an interview with some Cryptic exec, that open beta is not the primary place where bugs are found, it's a unvieling of the game to the public and primarily a promotional period. This wasn't even a true open beta because the keys were exclusive and not just freely given out. Most folks paid to be in the Open Beta.

    Something that was mentioned by several people who hit Admiral, was their testing of higher level content. Most folks scoffed, but they had a valid point.


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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I agree completely with the OP, right up unti
    DeLacey wrote:
    we might not have so many damn bugs now.

    The bugs IMHO are down to sloppiness. I believe the Developers listen to what they wanna hear.

    For example, the moonwalker bug is still there despite I'm sure plenty of people reporting it and there being a forum post about it.

    So whilst I agree some people coulda been more proactive, it requires the Devs to be reactive enough. That I'm afraid is sorely missing.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    DeLacey wrote:
    Ya know, I hate to be the antagonist in a flame war (well ok I guess not really) but I've got to say that if more Open Beta Idiots (and you know who you are "Where's Sulu" and "Look I'm Tier 5 already") actually used Open Beta for it's intended purpose and actually tested the game as well as reported bugs rather than power level or use the Beta as they're own personal "I wanna play the game" time..we might not have so many damn bugs now.
    Check the Klingon archives:
    http://forums.startrekonline.com/forumdisplay.php?f=75

    Reporting bugs was our national passtime.

    Unfortunately reporting them and getting them fixed are two different things. We reported our broken PvP kit vendors the day they broke and here we are, what, 2 weeks later? Still broken.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    DeLacey wrote:
    Ya know, I hate to be the antagonist in a flame war (well ok I guess not really) but I've got to say that if more Open Beta Idiots (and you know who you are "Where's Sulu" and "Look I'm Tier 5 already") actually used Open Beta for it's intended purpose and actually tested the game as well as reported bugs rather than power level or use the Beta as they're own personal "I wanna play the game" time..we might not have so many damn bugs now.

    Me? I read every line slowly and took in the story, I tested and tried things in the game to see if they worked or didn't work. I reported umpteen dozen bugs and faithfully did so. I get the feeling many didn't.

    Thoughts?

    You really weren't here on CB and OB were you?

    No idea of the bugs present in the game whatsoever at that time :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Ruivo wrote:
    You really weren't here on CB and OB were you?

    No idea of the bugs present in the game whatsoever at that time :)


    This.

    OP has to be a troll.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Who said that us 'Open beta Idiots' didn't make friendly with the green bug? I can only speak for myself when I say this but yes actually I was reporting every new and unique bug that I came across.

    I may not have been in depth enough to proof read it all but then the way I see it is if we all were busy reading every line and taking our time then no one would reach the later stages to test the higher level content. Seeing as we had spent most of the first half of the OB going over the sub lvl 16 content many times over I saw it as a genuine need to see what needed fixing later on.

    Just like there were people that tested the hell out of the PVP....personally I didn't.

    So to sum it up I think there were by far enough people doing there own bit in their own way and it was plain to see by the half a million bug reports that had been placed. To have you then complain about people not testing to your standards is a bit short sighted.

    This is by no means a dig or a flame at your post Mr OP just simply feel that us 'Open Beta Idiots' as you put it are not as idiotic as you believe.

    Oh and one more thing......if we wish to have a laugh and a joke now that it is headstart and the actual game then i'm sorry but who are you to dictate how we choose to spend our time? I think we have earned a bit of fun time now it's all (for the most part) over and done with, don't you?

    Peace
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    DeLacey wrote:
    Thoughts?
    You are clueless? That would be my first thought.

    I personally entered dozens of bugs during Open Beta. I leveled only two characters, and only one of them to Lt Cmdr. I heard many people saying they were reporting bugs as well. That is why so many things were fixed during the beta Period and the game is way way more stable now than it was when OB started.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I didn't say "Everyone who played Open Beta was an idiot" I said "Open Beta Idiots" which I guess wasn't specific enough, so I apologize. My comment was more about the jackassing around that was going on with some people during Open Beta and of course I'm aware not everyone in Open Beta were there for constructive reasons...and yes I was in Open Beta from start to finish.

    The whole "where's sulu" thing is probably going down in the annals of MMORPG history not unlike "leeroy jenkins". It was so bad that devs had to waste time putting npc's into the starbase that talk about how "Sulu is in the Admiral's office" for God's sake.

    It's unfortunate yes, but I guess it can't be helped. I just get frustrated by the ATI ground mission/crash bug that I deal with every single time (since OP began) I beam down and start fighting but otherwise I haven't got too many things to complain about but I sure see alot of other folks complaining about them on the Bug Board. Yes I think the game is more stable now as well since then but not everyone is in agreement. Perhaps those of you calling me a troll should check over there first and maybe you'll see what I mean.

    Anyways, people are people. I can't blame someone for the fact that their Dad's also their Uncle, it's not their fault after all.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Kineel wrote:
    You are clueless? That would be my first thought.

    I personally entered dozens of bugs during Open Beta. I leveled only two characters, and only one of them to Lt Cmdr. I heard many people saying they were reporting bugs as well. That is why so many things were fixed during the beta Period and the game is way way more stable now than it was when OB started.

    I wholeheartedly disagree.
    Rabble rouser, yes.
    Clueless, no.

    Oh, I just got an infraction point against me now from Cryptic because I wrote "Idiot" in the title of this thread. Wow, I applaud your timely response to such a threat to forums..no doubt one that could have shaken the very foundation of the Star Trek Online community. I'll be a good boy from now on. I'll eat all my vegetables, I promise. I'll even clean the dishes. No more infraction points, please sir. I'll even stop complaining about how STO kicks me out on every ground mission, PLEASE.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    DeLacey wrote:
    I wholeheartedly disagree.
    Rabble rouser, yes.
    Clueless, no.

    Oh, I just got an infraction point against me now from Cryptic because I wrote "Idiot" in the title of this thread. Wow, I applaud your timely response to such a threat to forums..no doubt one that could have shaken the very foundation of the Star Trek Online community. I'll be a good boy from now on. I'll eat all my vegetables, I promise. I'll even clean the dishes. No more infraction points, please sir.
    I'll even stop complaining about how STO kicks me out on every ground mission, PLEASE.
    *bows and scrapes as he scurries from the room in Gollum fashion*

    I'm afraid you reinforced my conclusion. I, good and humble sir, was not the one who reported the post. I suspect, however, that there were any number of people who took objection to your referring to your beta testing brethren with that invective.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Kineel wrote:
    I'm afraid you reinforced my conclusion. I, good and humble sir, was not the one who reported the post. I suspect, however, that there were any number of people who took objection to your referring to your beta testing brethren with that invective.

    It's unfortunate they didn't read my post before reporting me, they would have seen that I wasn't referring to all of my "beta testing brethren", just a select few and obviously it was one of them who reported me. Bravo.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    STO is brining many new players and Star Trek fans who have never played a MMO before. I think some tolerance and patience should be extended to players new to this type of gaming.

    Hatred toward noobs and poor anger manger management on the part of more experienced member is a sign of immaturity and reflects badly on the MMO community.

    There will always be novices and inexperienced players joining the game. Be polite and help them out, or quietly ignore them entirely. Such flaming posts only create ill will and tension in the community where players just want to play the game and have fun.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I was in CB and OB and i can tell you that the bugs in CB where in OB and now release, people "do" report bugs, Cryptic recives them...

    Notice how Headstart patches where only around 100mb from Open Beta... dont tell me that 100mb worth of files fixed every bug from CB to OB.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Bullcrap Delacey, there is TRIBBLE that was reported on the first day of OB by every Klingon, that still isn't fixed like kit vendors.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I don't blame anyone for "Where's Sulu?" except the devs who did not make it clear in the orders. Incomplete or vague instructions are not the fault of players, but the game designers.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    DeLacey wrote:
    Ya know, I hate to be the antagonist in a flame war (well ok I guess not really) but I've got to say that if more [edit] actually used Open Beta for it's intended purpose and actually tested the game as well as reported bugs rather than power level or use the Beta as they're own personal "I wanna play the game" time..we might not have so many damn bugs now.

    Me? I read every line slowly and took in the story, I tested and tried things in the game to see if they worked or didn't work. I reported umpteen dozen bugs and faithfully did so. I get the feeling many didn't.

    Thoughts?


    This post has been edited to remove content which violates the Cryptic Studios Forum Usage Guidelines ~Seadgir

    Not to belabor a point that should be pretty obvious but Open Beta was not about Beta testing and the fact that headstart got underway with pretty much the same game that open beta finished with should make that clear. Open Beta was about two things, marketing and stress testing and as much as anything it was about marketing serving as the single best reason for people to pre order. Did open beta allow them to also get a head start on bug squashing before the crush of live hits, sure, but is the game we started OB with really any different than what we started live with, save the patching of stress elements, not really.

    But this subject is now old, let's just move on folks. STO was rushed out the door - such is life - let's see how it holds up and how well Cryptic finishes it in live because, ultimately, that is pretty much what will make or break the game as a subscription based product.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    DeLacey wrote:
    It's unfortunate they didn't read my post before reporting me, they would have seen that I wasn't referring to all of my "beta testing brethren", just a select few and obviously it was one of them who reported me. Bravo.

    Jolly bad luck on your part that someone reported you.......however I do find it interesting how quickly Cryptic responds to someone reporting you and yet there are still ongoing concerns over certain topics that they just do not seem to be making a single comment on.

    Which leads me to think that cryptic are definately aware of these ongoing concerns. *cough skill tree borkedness cough*

    Peace
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    What part of preordering and purchasing a game requires me to test it? I am a programmer, and I'll be damned if I am going to test and submit bugs for free on another dev's code. Not going to happen. I play these things for entertainment, not as another form of software development.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I did a lot of /bugs as I am sure several people did. It's not our fault that Cryptic did not fix them.

    I'm still bugging like it was still OB, as there were no changes as far as I can tell between OB and Headstart.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Well the OP isnt exactly wrong, as a former STO Beta tester I can tell you many people used open beta as a "Free Trial" They didnt care about finding bugs and reporting them, they cared about leveling up and getting better ships, and some who just cared about being challenged.

    Yes, alot of people ****ed all over the Beta Tester Responsibilities and embraced self gratification.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    LenaMarie wrote: »
    Well the OP isnt exactly wrong, as a former STO Beta tester I can tell you many people used open beta as a "Free Trial" They didnt care about finding bugs and reporting them, they cared about leveling up and getting better ships, and some who just cared about being challenged.

    Yes, alot of people ****ed all over the Beta Tester Responsibilities and embraced self gratification.

    Maybe a lot did but erm......half a mill tickets? o.0
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Akril wrote: »
    I agree completely with the OP, right up unti



    The bugs IMHO are down to sloppiness. I believe the Developers listen to what they wanna hear.

    For example, the moonwalker bug is still there despite I'm sure plenty of people reporting it and there being a forum post about it.

    So whilst I agree some people coulda been more proactive, it requires the Devs to be reactive enough. That I'm afraid is sorely missing.

    That same bug exists in WoW, 6 years later. your point?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    DeLacey wrote:
    I get the feeling many didn't.

    Thoughts?
    There is "your" side of the street. And there is the side of the street that is not yours.

    I appreciate that you have feelings. But the avenue through which you are expressing them is actually judgemental and abusive. There is something called, "boundaries." :rolleyes:

    Focus on your side of the street...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    OP is an idiot. Blame the testers for the bugs...that's rich.

    Could it be that major bugs are supposed to be squashed by Open Beta? Open Beta is generally for small bugs and stress testing. Get Real!
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