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ok this is fu--ed up i want to make a joined trill char to get the bonuses, but guess what they wont let me make one till i get my retail key on tuesday,

wtf is the point of a head start when im going to have to re roll and start again on tuseday? real this is bad planning, i was considering a lifetime sub until i seen first hand how terrible cryptic realy are at planning ahead,

Hell even the grind fest that was aion made sure we got our pre order stuff for early start, amature, plain and simple thats all that can be said.

they better offer us the chance to upgrade our current chars to the bonus ones or ill not be bothering with this game after my first 30 days, i played this cause i dont want to grind, and all you done is made sure i will have to.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    TheHand wrote: »
    ok this is fu--ed up i want to make a joined trill char to get the bonuses, but guess what they wont let me make one till i get my retail key on tuesday,

    wtf is the point of a head start when im going to have to re roll and start again on tuseday? real this is bad planning, i was considering a lifetime sub until i seen first hand how terrible cryptic realy are at planning ahead,

    Hell even the grind fest that was aion made sure we got our pre order stuff for early start, amature, plain and simple thats all that can be said.

    they better offer us the chance to upgrade our current chars to the bonus ones or ill not be bothering with this game after my first 30 days, i played this cause i dont want to grind, and all you done is made sure i will have to.

    you should have a nap...you might feel better after you're done.

    Play a klingon...or use your guy to get gear then make your trill at launch.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    TheHand wrote: »
    ok this is fu--ed up i want to make a joined trill char to get the bonuses, but guess what they wont let me make one till i get my retail key on tuesday,

    wtf is the point of a head start when im going to have to re roll and start again on tuseday? real this is bad planning, i was considering a lifetime sub until i seen first hand how terrible cryptic realy are at planning ahead,

    Hell even the grind fest that was aion made sure we got our pre order stuff for early start, amature, plain and simple thats all that can be said.

    they better offer us the chance to upgrade our current chars to the bonus ones or ill not be bothering with this game after my first 30 days, i played this cause i dont want to grind, and all you done is made sure i will have to.

    Don't lie, Aion was the same, you couldn't get your bonus items in headstart, but Aion only offered in-game items so it wasn't really a big deal.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    OMG I got what I paid for but not the free stuff???

    If you were considering a LIfetime sub 4 days aint gonna kill you.

    I feel your pain though, I want my Connie!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    TheHand wrote: »
    ok this is fu--ed up i want to make a joined trill char to get the bonuses, but guess what they wont let me make one till i get my retail key on tuesday,
    As much as the game is a disappointment, this information has been known since pre-order bonuses were listed.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    This has been covered an rehashed may times in beta.

    Bottem line is that this is really the fault of the retailer for not giving you your key.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    TheHand wrote: »
    ok this is fu--ed up i want to make a joined trill char to get the bonuses, but guess what they wont let me make one till i get my retail key on tuesday,

    ...

    they better offer us the chance to upgrade our current chars to the bonus ones or ill not be bothering with this game after my first 30 days, i played this cause i dont want to grind, and all you done is made sure i will have to.

    They told us this would be the case. For weeks now.

    I would suggest not playing until you can play the character you want to play, since it is so important to you. Four days won't matter much after a week or two of play.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    They told us this would be the case. For weeks now.

    I would suggest not playing until you can play the character you want to play, since it is so important to you. Four days won't matter much after a week or two of play.

    The problem is i only have 3 more days off work then im gonna have no time at all to play for over a week, which means while you guys are flying round in your t3 ships ill still be in a noob ship cause i would have had to start again on tuseday,

    As i said bad planning on there part, and as for knowing about it for weeks, this is the first ive heard of it, so perhaps they should improve there communication aswell.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    TheHand wrote: »
    The problem is i only have 3 more days off work then im gonna have no time at all to play for over a week, which means while you guys are flying round in your t3 ships ill still be in a noob ship cause i would have had to start again on tuseday,

    As i said bad planning on there part, and as for knowing about it for weeks, this is the first ive heard of it, so perhaps they should improve there communication aswell.

    Why is it bad planning on there part that your going to be at work and unable to play, would you have liked them to move release forward so that you could play on your time off? :rolleyes:

    Also who cares if others are in T3's while your still in a noob ship, are you one of those weird people that like to try to always be the fastest to level up so they feel 'cool'?

    Trust me when i say, you wont be the only person in a noob ship, so i wouldn't worry too much, gentle giant.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    TheHand wrote: »
    ok this is fu--ed up i want to make a joined trill char to get the bonuses, but guess what they wont let me make one till i get my retail key on tuesday,

    wtf is the point of a head start when im going to have to re roll and start again on tuseday? real this is bad planning, i was considering a lifetime sub until i seen first hand how terrible cryptic realy are at planning ahead,

    Hell even the grind fest that was aion made sure we got our pre order stuff for early start, amature, plain and simple thats all that can be said.

    they better offer us the chance to upgrade our current chars to the bonus ones or ill not be bothering with this game after my first 30 days, i played this cause i dont want to grind, and all you done is made sure i will have to.

    That was covered a million times during open beta, no surprise here
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    watmo wrote: »
    This has been covered an rehashed may times in beta.

    Bottem line is that this is really the fault of the retailer for not giving you your key.
    That line of thinking is a fallacy. It is not the fault of the retailer by any means.
    TheHand wrote: »
    The problem is i only have 3 more days off work then im gonna have no time at all to play for over a week....

    As i said bad planning on there part....
    The problem is on your end, not on STO's nor on your employer's. Forethought on your part could have given you the days to play. Nothing is preventing you from getting your Tier 3 or 4 or 5 ship in these next 3 days, aside from commitment to the game and real life priorities. For the many faults that lie at Cryptic's feet, this is not one of them.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    the point of this post isnt anything to do with my days off work i was just expressing the fact that cause i will have to start a new char again on tuesday and because of my work comitments i wont be able to keep up with my mates.

    the point of my post is why the hell they couldnt of gave us the joined trill char now why wait to tuseday? its a bit of a game breaker for us who wanted to use the head start to do just that and get a hads start, is that so hard for you people to understand?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Whether or not it was covered a million and one times during beta, I do agree with the OP. For those of us who want to play a Joined Trill or heck anyone who ordered a DDE or other some vendor-exclusive bonus item there is no reason why we couldn't have our retail keys now.

    I purchased my copy on Steam. All it would take for them to send me my key is 1 TCP packet. There is no reason why the retailers couldn't have made sure that people who pre-ordered got their keys in time for head start.

    I understand where retailers are coming from with wanting to discourage people from getting a pre-order just for the items and then cancelling it, but what is the harm in giving us our retail key now? Obviously as soon as you activate that key you can no longer cancel the pre-order. In much the same way that you can't return things to any store if you've clearly opened the box and used the product in such a fashion that the retailer can no longer resell it to a different customer.

    I really see no reason why I should have to wait until 2 February to get something that I've already paid for, in full and advance, weeks ago.

    And on a side note, I was not aware at the time of purchase that my head start would be essentially pointless. So by the consumer laws that apply in my country, Steam should provide me with the product as advertised.
    I've filed a support ticket with Steam about this as they are the retailer in my case and have requested that they abide by EU law and provide me with the product as they advertised it in their store. That means the full retail key. I suggest other EU customers do the same. At least if their vendor of choice did not advertise that part of the product would not be available at head start.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    TheHand wrote: »
    the point of this post isnt anything to do with my days off work i was just expressing the fact that cause i will have to start a new char again on tuesday and because of my work comitments i wont be able to keep up with my mates.

    the point of my post is why the hell they couldnt of gave us the joined trill char now why wait to tuseday? its a bit of a game breaker for us who wanted to use the head start to do just that and get a hads start, is that so hard for you people to understand?

    You could always play a toon, make money on it, get items on it, then when you make your Joined Trill send it all too him and get a... head start on money and gear?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I'm just waiting until retail to make my JT, and finishing up Dragon Age in the meantime. I figure, at least a lot of kinks should be worked out of the system by then (ie: the account server issue), so for me it'll make the start that much smoother.

    I'm not thrilled about it, but there's nothing to be done but complain, and I just don't have the energy to complain too much. If it were more than four days I might have been really verbal about it though.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Zeko wrote: »
    You could always play a toon, make money on it, get items on it, then when you make your Joined Trill send it all too him and get a... head start on money and gear?

    That is an excellent idea.

    Personally I didn't get a life time subscription to buy a borg character. I got it becuase it made good buying sense and will pay for itself in 18 months. I also doubt it will be offered again at that low a rate.

    Now, with all that said, I understand how people feel frustrated about no specials till launch. Imagine how frustrated people feel that don't come to these forums? They just think their order is narfed up. Cryptic is going to get a lot of customer support tickets asking about this. I would think they should have put some kind of notice somewhere at log in to let folks know of this situation.

    But, the above is just my 2 cents woth. Your mileage may very.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Very good post. I have the same problem. I was hoping to play in this head-start... and with my joined Trill. But now... due to pethetic planning on the developers and retailers (both equally), anyone that wants to play a joined Till has to wait until February 2nd.

    This is the sencond time that Cryptic/Atari has allowed false advertisment to be part of their regular business. They need to fix this now, and not for me or the people wanting to play a Trill... but for their own selves. They should want to be an honest company that makes honest advertisement adds.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Gigatronix wrote:
    OMG I got what I paid for but not the free stuff???

    If you were considering a LIfetime sub 4 days aint gonna kill you.

    I feel your pain though, I want my Connie!

    So do I!!
    :(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Zeko wrote: »
    You could always play a toon, make money on it, get items on it, then when you make your Joined Trill send it all too him and get a... head start on money and gear?


    Errr... How? I never saw any way to transfer items from one character to another in the beta. But considering the poor state of the documentation, I'm not surprised that I missed it...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    ITF_Cho wrote:
    Errr... How? I never saw any way to transfer items from one character to another in the beta. But considering the poor state of the documentation, I'm not surprised that I missed it...

    Apparently there is in game mail that lets you do this, i haven't used it myself though.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Zeko wrote: »
    Apparently there is in game mail that lets you do this, i haven't used it myself though.

    It was already in.

    You need to go to an exchange, use the bank terminal, and choose the mail option.

    NOTE: To attach items you MUST be at the bank terminal in the exchange (unless they change this), you can NOT attach items by using the mail option anywhere else.

    Hope that helps. :)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Hmmm... that is a very good idea. Thanks to both of you. Maybe I will play during headstart, and send a few weps upgrades or consoles over to the JT once I'm allowed to create one.

    Thanks!

    EDIT: and yes, I realize the really good stuff is bound... I wonder if you can sent credits? Pretty sure merits would be out...
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    ITF_Cho wrote:
    Hmmm... that is a very good idea. Thanks to both of you. Maybe I will play during headstart, and send a few weps upgrades or consoles over to the JT once I'm allowed to create one.

    Thanks!

    EDIT: and yes, I realize the really good stuff is bound... I wonder if you can sent credits? Pretty sure merits would be out...

    The only way I know of is to have a friend hold said credits and trade them back, mail had no function to do the same (I think it's a mechanic meant to stop currency sellers).
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    all you lifers are happy because you got your borg at head start, but if you didn't then you would be complaining too... ohh wait you guys did and so you got it... so yeah i will complain my self over the join trill. i want it as my main, I want to make it at head start and i want what was promised when I purchased the game from d2d.

    why wouldn't I complain? if you buy a car with all packages, and you take it home and then open the hood to find no motor you would be ****ed. thats how i feel here same thing!

    I want to make my joined trill now at head start!
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    mordiaky wrote: »
    all you lifers are happy because you got your borg at head start, but if you didn't then you would be complaining too... ohh wait you guys did and so you got it...

    I don't begrudge them, I just wish I had received the same level of service. :(

    Don't hate on the lifers just because they got treated proper though.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    You bought something that wouldn't be avaliable until the 2nd. Cryptic REPEATEDLY told every whiner that the Joined Trill was not retroactive. It was all over the forums during OB. What is with you people?

    Yes, I have the digital deluxe. I would like my joined trill now. Not going to happen, not going to be retroactive. Get over it. They could do it by hand but would have to knock off one of your traits for the joined trill trait, doing a more elegant system now would be way more effort than it is worth.

    Just TRIBBLE around with an alt (current skill cap means you can't even attempt to do two things badly.) or roll a Klingon for head start like me.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    *sigh* you sound like those lifetime subbers that cried over 4 hours without their Borg characters. Wait patiently for your Joined Trill, I know I am.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    TheHand wrote: »
    ok this is fu--ed up i want to make a joined trill char to get the bonuses, but guess what they wont let me make one till i get my retail key on tuesday,

    wtf is the point of a head start when im going to have to re roll and start again on tuseday? real this is bad planning, i was considering a lifetime sub until i seen first hand how terrible cryptic realy are at planning ahead,

    Hell even the grind fest that was aion made sure we got our pre order stuff for early start, amature, plain and simple thats all that can be said.

    they better offer us the chance to upgrade our current chars to the bonus ones or ill not be bothering with this game after my first 30 days, i played this cause i dont want to grind, and all you done is made sure i will have to.

    So many trolls lack spacebar.

    Except Vox. Vox never lacks spacebar. Trolling trolls is funny.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    TheHand wrote: »
    ok this is fu--ed up i want to make a joined trill char to get the bonuses, but guess what they wont let me make one till i get my retail key on tuesday,

    wtf is the point of a head start when im going to have to re roll and start again on tuseday? real this is bad planning, i was considering a lifetime sub until i seen first hand how terrible cryptic realy are at planning ahead,

    Hell even the grind fest that was aion made sure we got our pre order stuff for early start, amature, plain and simple thats all that can be said.

    they better offer us the chance to upgrade our current chars to the bonus ones or ill not be bothering with this game after my first 30 days, i played this cause i dont want to grind, and all you done is made sure i will have to.

    How do they know which version of the game you have, the code is in the box, I feel your pain, I want my joined Trill too, but I know why I cant have it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    ok first off I bought it Knowing i would be making my joined trill at the head start , First release of the game..... This change was not on the site news. it was not announced at the retailer before buying it, and I do not troll forums to read the extra news that get slipped away. I look for them at the main site and no it was not on the news section.

    I will ***** I will complain, its my right to. I purchased the game, I was told I could make a joined trill and so much more. so i do not give a **** how cryptic plans to get everyone the joined trill as long as they do, I do not want to make a alt, i do not want to make a Klingon... I want to make a Joined trill as my main character and my only character. I played the beta tested the game gave my reports and feedback as excepted from a beta TESTER, but now its live the game is final and it is released if its not then how are so many people on right now playing? beta is over.

    I ordered the Deluxe version for the extra stuff, the extra stuff to advance in the game before others do, that is what a Head start is. now I have to recreate a character after Feb, 2 and I will be behind other folks, so the head start is a ****ing joke.

    Yeah i am ****ed, yeah I am complaining and if you do not like it then stop reading this post and play the damn game. I for one will stand my ground and will complain to either resolve this or just to say **** cryptic for good, I gave them way to many chances on their other failed games.


    I am Tired of mmo's coming out and not giving you what they said they would. this happens to many times and all the ones that do that end up loosing that mmo. so its up to cryptic to make this the one for them or to fail.

    I said what i wanted to say, Now its your turn Cryptic what do you have to say for your self?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    If you cannot use the items you are suppose to get as a bonus in headstart then promoting the enhanced version is false advertising period. Since you cannot use any items you could just preorder your regular game and after headstart you would have most of the items listed. I am aready a LT6 will make LT Commander today so I no longer need the bonus cruiser or the special shield since i will havea better one by then.

    So,I like a lot of other preorder customers feel ripped off,and like I paid $20 extera for a freaking regular game.
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