Just a reminder that there was bug in the beta that caused videocards to overheat. By using the /maxfps command u can check your framrate limit. Previously it was set to 0.00 which caused your videocard to run at redline. Using a setting of 30-60 could save you from ruining your video card. /maxfps 60
instead of making it really complicated for people who dont know how to do that, why dont u just say put v-sync on, it limits ur fps to ur re-fresh rate on ur moniter, which is 60-75 **mostly**
I'd love to see this fixed. I reported it on 1/12 and not a single reply by anybody from Cryptic during the entire beta period, on multiple threads. I've tried everything, including pulling my video card out and cleaning it off, leaving one of the panels off the back of the PC to get more air (and unfortunately dust) in there, tried ATI 9.1, 9.12 and the new 10.1 drivers and also the vanilla Windows7 64-bit drivers and all it does is shut my computer off. Beta was a complete waste of time for me because of this and I was dead-set on cancelling my 2 Collector Editions because of it but figured I'd try more this weekend during headstart. I'm at about 4 hours of dicking around with this again tonight and there's just no way around it that I see. My GPU temp was at 79 degrees and within 2 minutes it had reached 98 and I could hear the fan screaming like a banshee. I've had my computer shut off so many times because of this that I'm concerned it's going to cause other problems. It's really sad actually, that a problem like this exists. It's been 3 weeks now since I was able to first access STO and I've not been able to stay logged on for more than 6 minutes on any occasion.
I am So freaking angry. I stumbled into the thread warning people of this bug last week. I followed the advice posted in that forum since reading it last friday before playing (after playing STO for another week before that). Today I moved my computer downstairs to a much cooler location, cleaned all my fans to make sure there would be no cooling issues and verified they were in all good working condition.
Today I was so eager to play, i just created a character and played with just how the game was preset.
Guess what happened 3hours into playing?
I tried replacing my video drivers, removing the card and everything else we could think of. So my Nvidia 8800 cards done, and i can only access internet with the display driver disabled from safe mode.
My previous games were Mount and blade, Aion on low settings, Left for Dead 2 on low, and eve. I don't play games for looks, I only pvp and need fluidity over aesthetics, gameplay so there is absolutely NO WAY the card should be dead.
Tonight I am going to do the baking method on 2 other dead cards of my buddies to see if that really works. A 7800 and another 8800, mine will be left alone because Im too ****ed off to touch it. If I get one of them to work maybe I will be able to participate in the head start.
How classic is that? My guess is, if it happened to me, this will start popping up much more often. My computers are all very well maintained and still in working order. I have my pentium 3 500, my 2.4 pentium from 2004, who's 128 ati card still works. And my old 6800 video card is now in my wifes computer still in working order.
It just fried my relatively brand new Nvidia moments ago. I'm so mad that this issue was not fixed or advertised. WTG Cryptic. I'm now spending the money I would have spent on a lifetime on a new dogamn video card.
I dont get it, under no situation should a card be damaged due to heat. Intel has thermal shutdown of their processors for years, do GPU's lack this functionality ??
Yeah this bug almost cooked my Geforce 260 core 216.
I was so paranoid at first I even took the card apart, cleaned everything, and even put new upgraded
thermal paste in, but even that only took it from the 105c it was running to 101c.
Then I realized it was only this game doing it.
After one of the patches though it calmed down a bit, with my fan set to 65%,
it tops at around 84-85c, still 15-20c higher than any other games on my system though.
Yeah, I discovered this bug the hard way and had it not been brought to my attention i would have been sending a bill to cryptic for the cost of a new graphics card. When i started up my Catalyst Control center and had the game running in windowed mode, i saw that my card activity was pegged at 100% constantly, even on loading screens. LOADING SCREENS. (i never knew that loading screens required 1 GB of graphics memory to render. HUH...)
Running windows is sits at 42C, 0-3% activity, and 35% fan speed; when running STO at my current, non-maxed settings, it sits at 70-75C, 80% activity, 55%+ fan speed.
To resolve my overheating problems, i set /maxfps 30 and turned down a LOT of settings. This card shouldn't even yawn at this game. but it tries to burn itself out. If it does, Cryptic WILL get a bill. I really don't want to kill a brand new card a week into its purchase. that is just silly.
So, yeah, Cryptic Devs, srsly, fix it, please. for the sake of our pocketbooks and sanity. If you can't fix it, at least FIND OUT what is going on and let us know.
Not to belittle everyone's problems or frustrations, but you are simply incorrect here. A software application cannot cause a video card to overheat. Software cannot make a video card do something that it is not programmed to do. It's likely a driver issue, or unfortunately a flaw in the card itself. I have a GTX 260 as someone else here claims to have and mine smokes this game without breaking a sweat. If software could kill a video card, then all of the graphical stress test programs would have warnings plastered all over them.
It's been stated before but software cannot kill your video card, it can however expose a failure in the hardware, which is all that is happening. Further proof of the video card failure is if it doesn't shut off or crash out of the application due to the heat. All video cards that I'm aware of have built in protection to shut it down when it reaches certain temperatures. If it's not shutting down, definitely sounds like a problem with the card itself.
Like I said, I sympathize, I feel your pain and I don't want to marginalize this issue, but it's not the software's fault. Please stop blaming Cryptic for this.
I'm not sure why, or if its the software, but my GPU fan was not going faster when heat was going up automatically like it should.
I downloaded RivaTuner @ http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=163 and manually set my fan to run at 80-85% when I play STO and it fixed my heat issues (well, I stay at high 60s to low 70s, no artifacts and safer, was hitting 90C before I did that)
It just fried my relatively brand new Nvidia moments ago. I'm so mad that this issue was not fixed or advertised. WTG Cryptic. I'm now spending the money I would have spent on a lifetime on a new dogamn video card.
good thing you have a backup video card/computer to QQ and troll on the forums.
I'd like to see how this is Cryptic's fault. Should we blame Valve for overheating videocards back in 1998 with Half-Life? What about CryTeam with Crysis?
Software developers should always try to make their renderer is get the most out of a graphics card. You should blame your hardware manufacturer for an overheating problem since they did not provide an adequate cooling solution when the card is working its hardest.
I've had one GTX260 die on me, I did a warranty call and recieved a new card a week later. They apologised and let me know that the first generation cards they recieved had an issue with fan speed settings.
My current GTX260 runs at 85 degrees before the fan kicks up to full speed, it consistantly stays at that temperature the time I'm playing a game. At a later date, I'd like to put better thermal paste on and perhaps a better heatsink.
It's not the games fault. It's my fault for turning the graphics up too high and the manufacturers for not stress testing their cooling solution properly. It can also be a problem with age, my card is well over a year old now, for example.
If you turn on VSync in your video card's tools, you should be good to go. If you have an Nvidia card like I do, right click on your desktop and choose NVIDIA Control Panel. Go to 3d Settings--> Manage 3d Settings. Click the Program Settings tab. Add the game client as a program if it is not already listed. Under that, it will say Features and Setting. Scroll to the bottom of the list where it says the Feature Vertical Sync. Choose the setting Force On. This will force your card to not go beyond the fps setting of your monitor (probably 60 fps) when your computer is running STO. As a backup to ensure that my fps doesn't max out:
In the STO Launcher, choose Options at the very top of the launcher window. A little menu will pop up to the side. At the bottom of this menu is an advanced command line box. In it type the following:
-maxfps 55
This will ensure the game itself will not try to run over 55 fps, and this setting is SAVED, so you don't have to keep doing it. You can change it to 60 if you want, or whatever fps suits you. You should be able to protect your card with either of these methods, but I did both just in case after reading some horror stories on the forums about people's cards getting melted. I didn't notice any problems with my 250 before I did these things, but it never hurts to be on the safe side, and I haven't noticed any degradation in performance and quality.
I'm running windows 7 with a 9600GT 512meg and can run this game with max settings with a resolution of 1920 x 1080 and the fan running at 35% my temps stay steady around 60c.
Not had any probs with heat so far, there does seem to be a problem somewhere though that needs looking into.
Not sure who would do this the games developer or the person who owns the card to take it up with either Nvidia or ATI?
Like I said, I sympathize, I feel your pain and I don't want to marginalize this issue, but it's not the software's fault. Please stop blaming Cryptic for this.
Some software will find weaknesses in the graphics card's design that games normally wont. Here, have a read at this article.
This is nothing new. You not remember the whistling capacitor issues on Nvidia cards only a couple of years ago? Some died on game loading screens then too.
This issue has always been about since the beginning of the dedicated GPU card.
And it is from fairly naff programming tbh - in somuch that you could choose to program to avoid this if you wanted. I would say, however, that this only finds existing weaknesses that were problably waiting to occur shortly down the line anyway.
After reading this thread im surprised i havent had any issues at all with my Ati 4850. Runs fine on mid to high settings, decent fps, fan never really kicks in, and its pretty smooth running. (til i get into a 20 ship battle, then it stutters some, but not enough to worry) And thats in a crappy Dell inspiron case.
makes you wonder how it could be the game if not everyone has this problem.
Wouldn't be the first time that NV screws up and there cards overheat due to a bug in there drivers. I just say Eve Online, docking screen. Let it idel to long there and you would have fried your card. Next driver version it was fixed...
If you turn on VSync in your video card's tools, you should be good to go. If you have an Nvidia card like I do, right click on your desktop and choose NVIDIA Control Panel. Go to 3d Settings--> Manage 3d Settings. Click the Program Settings tab. Add the game client as a program if it is not already listed. Under that, it will say Features and Setting. Scroll to the bottom of the list where it says the Feature Vertical Sync. Choose the setting Force On. This will force your card to not go beyond the fps setting of your monitor (probably 60 fps) when your computer is running STO. As a backup to ensure that my fps doesn't max out:
In the STO Launcher, choose Options at the very top of the launcher window. A little menu will pop up to the side. At the bottom of this menu is an advanced command line box. In it type the following:
-maxfps 55
This will ensure the game itself will not try to run over 55 fps, and this setting is SAVED, so you don't have to keep doing it. You can change it to 60 if you want, or whatever fps suits you. You should be able to protect your card with either of these methods, but I did both just in case after reading some horror stories on the forums about people's cards getting melted. I didn't notice any problems with my 250 before I did these things, but it never hurts to be on the safe side, and I haven't noticed any degradation in performance and quality.
Didnt work Having a GTX285. And it still runs the fan on 90%-100%. If I use /showfps it still show me 0.00 and if I enter /maxfps it shows me 55.
Anyone having a idea how to fix it?
well i was really looking forward t this game bt i play for 3 mins at the mot then boom card overheats I tried the maax fs thing turned off podt pressing and dynamic lighting bt epic fail every time hge let down so far
Same thing here. I reported this on January 12 during open beta and have yet to see anything from Cryptic on this other than asking me to reinstall the video drivers. I have 2 copies of Collectors Editioni pre-ordered and could beta test and can't get into headstart on my computer without the video card overheating and shutting my computer off after 5 minutes. As much as I hate to say it, I'm happy to see others are having the same problem. Definitely not because of the problems, but to help prove that there is an issue that Cryptic needs to address. I was going to buy 2 of the lifetime subscriptions but can't see doing it now. Time is ticking, and Cryptic has let me down now for 18+ days. Why is it so difficult to get a response from them about this problem? I posted in the Showstopper thread in beta several times, but they just ignored all of it. ATI HD 4850 512 Meg, W7Ultimate 64-bit. here. Tried 9.10, 9.12 and 10.1 GPU temps went from mid 60's to 99 degrees within 2 minutes after launching this game. I scaled back all the AA, Postwhaterveritwascalled and scrolled back so many settings that the game looks like something from years ago and still my GPU fan screams like a banshee.
Really sad part about this is that I installed it on my old computer that uses an Nvidia card from like 4 years ago, eitehr 128 or 256 meg...i forget and played for 40 minutes last night with no problems at all. graphics sucked, but the computer didn't shut off, the fans didn't scream, and nothing overheated.
Cryptic, just awknowledge this issue please, and then lets come up with a way to fix it.
So Im waiting till mondy to check on the warranty of my 8800 gts. I baked my friends old 8800 gts that had no warranty, at 385 for 8 minutes. Now i have a new video card piping hot, fresh from the oven. I lost one day of play time, I cant stop laughing that its working.
WTF is going on??? Im going to get drunk and play till I vomit.
Generally speaking when a maxfps console command is set to 0 that actually means run as fast as possible. There is nothing abnormal with it being set to 0.
If your card is overheating it's the card's or card driver's fault. The card should be able to to run at 100% load and dissipate enough heat so it doesn't crash or fail entirely. What might be a better solution is to manually set your card's fan speed. I've found that on Nvidia card drivers the fan speed profiles lag behind the actual load or do not kick up to a high enough speed. This is a flaw in the video card driver not STO. Personally I always set my Nvidia card's to 100% fan speed ie it was always running at 100% when the computer was on.
Same thing here. I reported this on January 12 during open beta and have yet to see anything from Cryptic on this other than asking me to reinstall the video drivers. I have 2 copies of Collectors Editioni pre-ordered and could beta test and can't get into headstart on my computer without the video card overheating and shutting my computer off after 5 minutes. As much as I hate to say it, I'm happy to see others are having the same problem. Definitely not because of the problems, but to help prove that there is an issue that Cryptic needs to address. I was going to buy 2 of the lifetime subscriptions but can't see doing it now. Time is ticking, and Cryptic has let me down now for 18+ days. Why is it so difficult to get a response from them about this problem? I posted in the Showstopper thread in beta several times, but they just ignored all of it. ATI HD 4850 512 Meg, W7Ultimate 64-bit. here. Tried 9.10, 9.12 and 10.1 GPU temps went from mid 60's to 99 degrees within 2 minutes after launching this game. I scaled back all the AA, Postwhaterveritwascalled and scrolled back so many settings that the game looks like something from years ago and still my GPU fan screams like a banshee.
Really sad part about this is that I installed it on my old computer that uses an Nvidia card from like 4 years ago, eitehr 128 or 256 meg...i forget and played for 40 minutes last night with no problems at all. graphics sucked, but the computer didn't shut off, the fans didn't scream, and nothing overheated.
Cryptic, just awknowledge this issue please, and then lets come up with a way to fix it.
seriously, all of you people crashing or getting graphic errors due to heat need to look into your cooling setup, its not cryptics fault. software cannot kill your hardware, ever, unless your cooling solutions suck.
there was even a sticky thread on beta boards with a dev response saying the same
people who doesnt crash but complain about high temps are in the same boat, but most modern cards, 8800+, radeons 19xx, 4x00 series etc all run very hot and are fine over 100c.
1) First of all, Is there dust in your computer? If so clean it out.
2) Is your computer well ventilated? If not then do so.
3) Are tribbles overheating your computer? If so give them to the klingons.....hahahaha
seriously, all of you people crashing or getting graphic errors due to heat need to look into your cooling setup, its not cryptics fault. software cannot kill your hardware, ever, unless your cooling solutions suck.
there was even a sticky thread on beta boards with a dev response saying the same
people who doesnt crash but complain about high temps are in the same boat, but most modern cards, 8800+, radeons 19xx, 4x00 series etc all run very hot and are fine over 100c.
Then why is STO the only progam that causes this problem? I can leave my PC on for 2 weeks straight in the hot summer months and no issues. Fire up STO now when it's freakin cold dead of winter and within 3 minutes my GPU is at 99 degrees and the computer shuts off with the fan manually set at max speed.
I've cleaned out my PC, which was very clean anyway, put it up on 2 blocks to help get more air inside the case from the bottom and removed one of the covers from the back to see if that'd help at all. As I'm typing here, my GPU shows 63 degrees with the fan cranked to max. If I launch STO, my computer would shut off within 5 minutes, guaranteed, probably even less than 4 minutes.
And yeah, I verified that there were no tribbles in my computer.
Then why is STO the only progam that causes this problem? I can leave my PC on for 2 weeks straight in the hot summer months and no issues. Fire up STO now when it's freakin cold dead of winter and within 3 minutes my GPU is at 99 degrees and the computer shuts off with the fan manually set at max speed.
I've cleaned out my PC, which was very clean anyway, put it up on 2 blocks to help get more air inside the case from the bottom and removed one of the covers from the back to see if that'd help at all. As I'm typing here, my GPU shows 63 degrees with the fan cranked to max. If I launch STO, my computer would shut off within 5 minutes, guaranteed, probably even less than 4 minutes.
And yeah, I verified that there were no tribbles in my computer.
well, you can always run stress testing software to see if it really is a heat issue, prime95, furmark, atitool etc.
i know from past experience that the 48x0 series cards do run very hot, but it sounds strange that you crash if its only 99c. you can download a program called gpu-z to check out different temps on the card as well, CCC only shows core temp.
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Then move to Dynamic Lighting
Then limit FPS (Should use VSync to begin with anyways)
SSAO might help as well.
Today I was so eager to play, i just created a character and played with just how the game was preset.
Guess what happened 3hours into playing?
I tried replacing my video drivers, removing the card and everything else we could think of. So my Nvidia 8800 cards done, and i can only access internet with the display driver disabled from safe mode.
My previous games were Mount and blade, Aion on low settings, Left for Dead 2 on low, and eve. I don't play games for looks, I only pvp and need fluidity over aesthetics, gameplay so there is absolutely NO WAY the card should be dead.
Tonight I am going to do the baking method on 2 other dead cards of my buddies to see if that really works. A 7800 and another 8800, mine will be left alone because Im too ****ed off to touch it. If I get one of them to work maybe I will be able to participate in the head start.
How classic is that? My guess is, if it happened to me, this will start popping up much more often. My computers are all very well maintained and still in working order. I have my pentium 3 500, my 2.4 pentium from 2004, who's 128 ati card still works. And my old 6800 video card is now in my wifes computer still in working order.
I was so paranoid at first I even took the card apart, cleaned everything, and even put new upgraded
thermal paste in, but even that only took it from the 105c it was running to 101c.
Then I realized it was only this game doing it.
After one of the patches though it calmed down a bit, with my fan set to 65%,
it tops at around 84-85c, still 15-20c higher than any other games on my system though.
Yeah, I discovered this bug the hard way and had it not been brought to my attention i would have been sending a bill to cryptic for the cost of a new graphics card. When i started up my Catalyst Control center and had the game running in windowed mode, i saw that my card activity was pegged at 100% constantly, even on loading screens. LOADING SCREENS. (i never knew that loading screens required 1 GB of graphics memory to render. HUH...)
Running windows is sits at 42C, 0-3% activity, and 35% fan speed; when running STO at my current, non-maxed settings, it sits at 70-75C, 80% activity, 55%+ fan speed.
To resolve my overheating problems, i set /maxfps 30 and turned down a LOT of settings. This card shouldn't even yawn at this game. but it tries to burn itself out. If it does, Cryptic WILL get a bill. I really don't want to kill a brand new card a week into its purchase. that is just silly.
So, yeah, Cryptic Devs, srsly, fix it, please. for the sake of our pocketbooks and sanity. If you can't fix it, at least FIND OUT what is going on and let us know.
It's been stated before but software cannot kill your video card, it can however expose a failure in the hardware, which is all that is happening. Further proof of the video card failure is if it doesn't shut off or crash out of the application due to the heat. All video cards that I'm aware of have built in protection to shut it down when it reaches certain temperatures. If it's not shutting down, definitely sounds like a problem with the card itself.
Like I said, I sympathize, I feel your pain and I don't want to marginalize this issue, but it's not the software's fault. Please stop blaming Cryptic for this.
I'm not sure why, or if its the software, but my GPU fan was not going faster when heat was going up automatically like it should.
I downloaded RivaTuner @ http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=163 and manually set my fan to run at 80-85% when I play STO and it fixed my heat issues (well, I stay at high 60s to low 70s, no artifacts and safer, was hitting 90C before I did that)
Give that a try.
good thing you have a backup video card/computer to QQ and troll on the forums.
Software developers should always try to make their renderer is get the most out of a graphics card. You should blame your hardware manufacturer for an overheating problem since they did not provide an adequate cooling solution when the card is working its hardest.
I've had one GTX260 die on me, I did a warranty call and recieved a new card a week later. They apologised and let me know that the first generation cards they recieved had an issue with fan speed settings.
My current GTX260 runs at 85 degrees before the fan kicks up to full speed, it consistantly stays at that temperature the time I'm playing a game. At a later date, I'd like to put better thermal paste on and perhaps a better heatsink.
It's not the games fault. It's my fault for turning the graphics up too high and the manufacturers for not stress testing their cooling solution properly. It can also be a problem with age, my card is well over a year old now, for example.
Not had any probs with heat so far, there does seem to be a problem somewhere though that needs looking into.
Not sure who would do this the games developer or the person who owns the card to take it up with either Nvidia or ATI?
Who's trolling? I was adding to the overheating bug discussion. What have you done lately sweetheart?
Some software will find weaknesses in the graphics card's design that games normally wont. Here, have a read at this article.
http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=657
This is nothing new. You not remember the whistling capacitor issues on Nvidia cards only a couple of years ago? Some died on game loading screens then too.
This issue has always been about since the beginning of the dedicated GPU card.
And it is from fairly naff programming tbh - in somuch that you could choose to program to avoid this if you wanted. I would say, however, that this only finds existing weaknesses that were problably waiting to occur shortly down the line anyway.
makes you wonder how it could be the game if not everyone has this problem.
Didnt work
Anyone having a idea how to fix it?
Without quotes and where ## is make it the same as your monitors refresh rate or lower if you want.
My screen is 60hz so its at 60.
Really sad part about this is that I installed it on my old computer that uses an Nvidia card from like 4 years ago, eitehr 128 or 256 meg...i forget and played for 40 minutes last night with no problems at all. graphics sucked, but the computer didn't shut off, the fans didn't scream, and nothing overheated.
Cryptic, just awknowledge this issue please, and then lets come up with a way to fix it.
WTF is going on??? Im going to get drunk and play till I vomit.
If your card is overheating it's the card's or card driver's fault. The card should be able to to run at 100% load and dissipate enough heat so it doesn't crash or fail entirely. What might be a better solution is to manually set your card's fan speed. I've found that on Nvidia card drivers the fan speed profiles lag behind the actual load or do not kick up to a high enough speed. This is a flaw in the video card driver not STO. Personally I always set my Nvidia card's to 100% fan speed ie it was always running at 100% when the computer was on.
seriously, all of you people crashing or getting graphic errors due to heat need to look into your cooling setup, its not cryptics fault. software cannot kill your hardware, ever, unless your cooling solutions suck.
there was even a sticky thread on beta boards with a dev response saying the same
people who doesnt crash but complain about high temps are in the same boat, but most modern cards, 8800+, radeons 19xx, 4x00 series etc all run very hot and are fine over 100c.
2) Is your computer well ventilated? If not then do so.
3) Are tribbles overheating your computer? If so give them to the klingons.....hahahaha
Then why is STO the only progam that causes this problem? I can leave my PC on for 2 weeks straight in the hot summer months and no issues. Fire up STO now when it's freakin cold dead of winter and within 3 minutes my GPU is at 99 degrees and the computer shuts off with the fan manually set at max speed.
I've cleaned out my PC, which was very clean anyway, put it up on 2 blocks to help get more air inside the case from the bottom and removed one of the covers from the back to see if that'd help at all. As I'm typing here, my GPU shows 63 degrees with the fan cranked to max. If I launch STO, my computer would shut off within 5 minutes, guaranteed, probably even less than 4 minutes.
And yeah, I verified that there were no tribbles in my computer.
well, you can always run stress testing software to see if it really is a heat issue, prime95, furmark, atitool etc.
i know from past experience that the 48x0 series cards do run very hot, but it sounds strange that you crash if its only 99c. you can download a program called gpu-z to check out different temps on the card as well, CCC only shows core temp.