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I know my 8800GT runs hot, but during gameplay is it supposed to be at 106 degrees C, I mean thats HOOOOTTT no other game with better graphix runs near that and i have a after market fan on it.
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    There are a couple of discussions below about that very subject.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    There are a couple of discussions below about that very subject.

    Below what
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Actually they are above us now.

    Try the thread "STO blew of my computers" and "Scary. The game turned off my computer."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I also put a ticket in, I would recommend doing the same as we haven't got a response from cryptic on the issue yet. My video card is the exact model stated in the minimum system requirements, usually it runs much more intense games with no problem but with STO it gets up to 90-100 degrees and as soon as I quit STO it starts immediately cooling down to 62 degrees. I have every graphic setting set to minimum and have tried everything that people said works for them in the other thread, all it does is slow down the rate of the heat increase.

    It is becoming more obvious to me that this is a problem with the game other than my video card as more and more people seem to be experiencing it.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Narakhi wrote:
    I also put a ticket in, I would recommend doing the same as we haven't got a response from cryptic on the issue yet. My video card is the exact model stated in the minimum system requirements, usually it runs much more intense games with no problem but with STO it gets up to 90-100 degrees and as soon as I quit STO it starts immediately cooling down to 62 degrees. I have every graphic setting set to minimum and have tried everything that people said works for them in the other thread, all it does is slow down the rate of the heat increase.

    It is becoming more obvious to me that this is a problem with the game other than my video card as more and more people seem to be experiencing it.

    A temporary fix might be to manually adjust the fan speed on your video card, usually through nVidias nTune utility, or a 3rd party program. (I like EVGA's Precision tool the most TBH)

    It's not so much the games fault for directly overheating your card.

    The game is just very graphically intense, and is simply pushing the video card past what it can handle.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Kastev wrote:
    A temporary fix might be to manually adjust the fan speed on your video card, usually through nVidias nTune utility, or a 3rd party program. (I like EVGA's Precision tool the most TBH)

    It's not so much the games fault for directly overheating your card.

    The game is just very graphically intense, and is simply pushing the video card past what it can handle.

    Didn't know I could do that, will try it thanks.

    But honestly if I have the minimum specs video card wise I expect to be able to play a game without smelling something burning inside my computer ;)

    Hopefully for those of us experiencing this issue we will get a reply from cryptic soon. I really don't want to upgrade my video card yet as I don't see a point because better vid cards than mine are experiencing the same problems.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Kastev wrote:
    A temporary fix might be to manually adjust the fan speed on your video card, usually through nVidias nTune utility, or a 3rd party program. (I like EVGA's Precision tool the most TBH)

    It's not so much the games fault for directly overheating your card.

    The game is just very graphically intense, and is simply pushing the video card past what it can handle.

    It is the games fault for over heating it, I use rivatuner and have it at 100% fan turned on FULL blast, and my 8800GT sits at 109C tell me that snot right.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    shanvhere wrote: »
    It is the games fault for over heating it, I use rivatuner and have it at 100% fan turned on FULL blast, and my 8800GT sits at 109C tell me that snot right.

    Yeah my fan was already at 100% as well, there's something going on here let's just hope they check it out before release because other people's comps are blowing up and stuff.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Narakhi wrote:
    Yeah my fan was already at 100% as well, there's something going on here let's just hope they check it out before release because other people's comps are blowing up and stuff.

    This has the potential for a PR nightmare. There are a couple reports in the other threads of vid cards or PSUs getting fried. They better take this seriously, at the least running at such a high temperature shortens the lifespan of parts.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    my gtx 260 is hovering around 62-64°C (fan at 40%) and thats with quite high ambient temp inside the box.

    Are you sure your gfx card wont reach those temps no matter what program is pushing it? I've seen a few stock coolers that simply were insufficient when running the cards at 100% for longer periods of time...

    If you still think it's the game try running furmark for a bit and see what happens ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Miqunator wrote:
    my gtx 260 is hovering around 62-64°C (fan at 40%) and thats with quite high ambient temp inside the box.

    Are you sure your gfx card wont reach those temps no matter what program is pushing it? I've seen a few stock coolers that simply were insufficient when running the cards at 100% for longer periods of time...

    If you still think it's the game try running furmark for a bit and see what happens ;)

    I tried several other games with similar or higher system requirements on full settings and my temperature never went out of the yellow zone so around 70 degrees and stayed there.

    Turn on STO temperature shoots up rather quickly to 100, exit STO temperature slowly returns to 62-64 unless of course I run another game straight away on full settings then it returns to around 70 degrees.

    It is definitely just STO, and I have a cooler master case with excellent air flow and extra fans running. Ambient temp is high because I'm in Australia, hence the extra fans. I've never seen this kind of heat with a game before however, my GPU has NEVER gone this high.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    well the first thing would be..

    if you dont know what you are doing,
    DONT MESS WITH YOUR HARDWARE !

    ive seen it way too many times...

    some kiddo thinks hes a comp genius,
    oveclocks a cpu and gpu, and is REALLY proud of him running crysis with 10 more FPS..

    few days later, they run furmark (known to push your gpu to the max)
    and they burn their gpu..

    IDIOTS!!!

    i dont know if you tampered with your gpu, but if you did, you are in the category above :)

    either way..

    even if STO runs your comp very hot,
    if your comp cannot handle the heat from a 24 hours 100% stress test,
    you got a bad configuration anyway

    thats why REAL overclocking takes time... if your comp cannot handle the heat, its not a overclock

    i have my gpu at 950 mhz (hd4890) and it runs really cool (t-rad2 cooler)
    however.. i can EASY hit 1000+ (actually 1030 is my max it seems without volt mod)
    but why dont i put it on 1000 then?? bragging rights etc???

    well.. because of the simple reason that a 1000mhz will cook my VRM's.. you have to monitor everything..
    right now my vrms hit up to 90 degrees celsius in STO.. wich is well within limits (120 degrees max according to producing company (not ati's specs))


    point is..

    if your comp got blew off my sto,
    either you got a ****ed up comp (bad brand, bad build or so)
    or your an idiot cuz you touched it yourself..
    eithe those.. or you should consider replacing the electric wires and surges in your house

    and i give you like 0.000001% chance that you are really unlucky and it was just nothing you could do to prevent this from happening
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    t-rad2 work on a 4890? I read it was incompatible but that's great if it is
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Marty007 wrote: »
    well the first thing would be..

    if you dont know what you are doing,
    DONT MESS WITH YOUR HARDWARE !

    ive seen it way too many times...

    some kiddo thinks hes a comp genius,
    oveclocks a cpu and gpu, and is REALLY proud of him running crysis with 10 more FPS..

    few days later, they run furmark (known to push your gpu to the max)
    and they burn their gpu..

    IDIOTS!!!

    i dont know if you tampered with your gpu, but if you did, you are in the category above :)

    either way..

    even if STO runs your comp very hot,
    if your comp cannot handle the heat from a 24 hours 100% stress test,
    you got a bad configuration anyway

    thats why REAL overclocking takes time... if your comp cannot handle the heat, its not a overclock

    i have my gpu at 950 mhz (hd4890) and it runs really cool (t-rad2 cooler)
    however.. i can EASY hit 1000+ (actually 1030 is my max it seems without volt mod)
    but why dont i put it on 1000 then?? bragging rights etc???

    well.. because of the simple reason that a 1000mhz will cook my VRM's.. you have to monitor everything..
    right now my vrms hit up to 90 degrees celsius in STO.. wich is well within limits (120 degrees max according to producing company (not ati's specs))


    point is..

    if your comp got blew off my sto,
    either you got a ****ed up comp (bad brand, bad build or so)
    or your an idiot cuz you touched it yourself..
    eithe those.. or you should consider replacing the electric wires and surges in your house

    and i give you like 0.000001% chance that you are really unlucky and it was just nothing you could do to prevent this from happening

    i've been trying to tell people the same but they wont listen ;)
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Marty007 wrote: »
    well the first thing would be..

    if you dont know what you are doing,
    DONT MESS WITH YOUR HARDWARE !

    ive seen it way too many times...

    some kiddo thinks hes a comp genius,
    oveclocks a cpu and gpu, and is REALLY proud of him running crysis with 10 more FPS..

    few days later, they run furmark (known to push your gpu to the max)
    and they burn their gpu..

    IDIOTS!!!

    i dont know if you tampered with your gpu, but if you did, you are in the category above :)

    either way..

    even if STO runs your comp very hot,
    if your comp cannot handle the heat from a 24 hours 100% stress test,
    you got a bad configuration anyway

    thats why REAL overclocking takes time... if your comp cannot handle the heat, its not a overclock

    i have my gpu at 950 mhz (hd4890) and it runs really cool (t-rad2 cooler)
    however.. i can EASY hit 1000+ (actually 1030 is my max it seems without volt mod)
    but why dont i put it on 1000 then?? bragging rights etc???

    well.. because of the simple reason that a 1000mhz will cook my VRM's.. you have to monitor everything..
    right now my vrms hit up to 90 degrees celsius in STO.. wich is well within limits (120 degrees max according to producing company (not ati's specs))


    point is..

    if your comp got blew off my sto,
    either you got a ****ed up comp (bad brand, bad build or so)
    or your an idiot cuz you touched it yourself..
    eithe those.. or you should consider replacing the electric wires and surges in your house

    and i give you like 0.000001% chance that you are really unlucky and it was just nothing you could do to prevent this from happening

    Really helpful advice here. People's expensive hardware is frying from huge gpu and cpu temp jumps. I don't have my system overclocked at all. It is well ventilated, it stress tests well below dangerous temps. When the gpu is getting hammered for over a 50c jump in less than a minute, SOMETHING is wrong with the software. Not to mention it is happening to completely different systems. You want to troll, do it somewhere else. We need solutions, not BS from people that think they know everything. If you want to say something constructive, fine. But keep the trolling to the WoW forums.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Its obviously the game. When I go into the login screen, my gfx already goes over 90 degrees easily, without even trying to log in. This game requires 99 % activity of my GFX when i'm just in the login screen.

    Now you aint going to tell me GFX is ****, what would a login screen do to a GFX card? It shouldnt be doing much at all.

    Even in game, it fluctates between 70 to 85 degrees. Even with lowering graphics, it doesnt do much. This game just focuses all his power from your GFX, which is obviously destroying it.

    I play other games with this, aion for one. Which is only a year old, and still has a good graphic engine. Even castle sieges with 400+ people, where it lags till no end cause of the amount of people, my GFX does not even pass 70 degrees, never.

    I only started noticing my GFX overheating, when I started playing this game. Its not my hardware at all, its fine as it is. I can run any game fine, but this game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Polish is many things, one of these is the load on the hardware, it seems that this still needs a lot of work.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Norsixa wrote:
    Its obviously the game.

    But it IS NOT obviously the game since it is not happening to everyone, and indeed it seems to only be happening to a relatively small portion of the player base. if it were "obviously" the game then it would be happening to a majority of people. heck if it were obviously the game cryiptic would have caught the problem before it ever went into beta. whether you and others agree or not, the devs at cryptic are definitely not idiots, they would notice if this were an "obvious" problem with their game.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Shotmagnet wrote:
    But it IS NOT obviously the game since it is not happening to everyone, and indeed it seems to only be happening to a relatively small portion of the player base. if it were "obviously" the game then it would be happening to a majority of people. heck if it were obviously the game cryiptic would have caught the problem before it ever went into beta. whether you and others agree or not, the devs at cryptic are definitely not idiots, they would notice if this were an "obvious" problem with their game.

    It is obviously the game but that don't mean that it's easy finding what part of the game is causing this or why its only happening to some ppl
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    My system isn't overclocked.

    My ticket still hasn't got a reply from cryptic either, also none of the threads have which is kinda interesting in itself. I hope this means they are hard at work trying to figure out the cause and solution.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Hawkwing wrote:
    It is obviously the game but that don't mean that it's easy finding what part of the game is causing this or why its only happening to some ppl

    It really irritates me when people say "Your system isn't ventilated well enough" "Your graphics card can't handle it." "You messed with the clock settings" or other such things.

    My PC is incredibly well ventilated, my graphics card can handle Crysis at 45-50fps on near maximum settings (along with several other graphic intensive games), and I don't EVER over clock because I paid too much money for my computer parts to **** them up by over clocking it too much or TRIBBLE with the settings. Only thing I've messed with is the fan speed through nVidia's own system, and that was only in attempts to make Star Trek Online not burn my GPU so hot.

    There are already a number of forums on this subject matter, none of them have been addressed by Devs confirming or denying, all of which have individual, reputable people coming with claims of similar problems revolving around this one game.

    Those saying that its our systems need to shut up and look at what people are saying.

    I have cleaned my computer out, reoptimized the air flow, even taken out a part to help the air even more, then run a number of games to test it out, all of which it passed, it was stable on furmark, Star Trek Online is the only thing that makes my PC burn up. We need an answer as to why this is, not lazy, half-assed, moronic, uneducated assumptions by people feeling they know all their is to this problem when there is something seriously wrong.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    It really irritates me when people say "Your system isn't ventilated well enough" "Your graphics card can't handle it." "You messed with the clock settings" or other such things.

    My PC is incredibly well ventilated, my graphics card can handle Crysis at 45-50fps on near maximum settings (along with several other graphic intensive games), and I don't EVER over clock because I paid too much money for my computer parts to **** them up by over clocking it too much or TRIBBLE with the settings. Only thing I've messed with is the fan speed through nVidia's own system, and that was only in attempts to make Star Trek Online not burn my GPU so hot.

    There are already a number of forums on this subject matter, none of them have been addressed by Devs confirming or denying, all of which have individual, reputable people coming with claims of similar problems revolving around this one game.

    Those saying that its our systems need to shut up and look at what people are saying.

    I have cleaned my computer out, reoptimized the air flow, even taken out a part to help the air even more, then run a number of games to test it out, all of which it passed, it was stable on furmark, Star Trek Online is the only thing that makes my PC burn up. We need an answer as to why this is, not lazy, half-assed, moronic, uneducated assumptions by people feeling they know all their is to this problem when there is something seriously wrong.

    I can run Crysis on near max settings as well and my GPU doesn't overheat like this. And yeah I ran furmark last night because someone said to do it and everything was fine.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Shotmagnet wrote:
    But it IS NOT obviously the game since it is not happening to everyone, and indeed it seems to only be happening to a relatively small portion of the player base. if it were "obviously" the game then it would be happening to a majority of people. heck if it were obviously the game cryiptic would have caught the problem before it ever went into beta. whether you and others agree or not, the devs at cryptic are definitely not idiots, they would notice if this were an "obvious" problem with their game.

    Not everybody has the same graphic card? Duh. Are you telling me because 1 person overheats with a gforce, radeons should overheat aswell?

    Then explain to me, why I do not overheat when I play aion, with sieges that I get like 20 fps, cause of 400 people fighting eachother. The game lags a bit on low graphics when I siege, but my card does not overheat at all in those situations.

    This game however, I just start it up, i sit in login screen and my card goes over 90 degrees, without even typing in my username. So you are going tell me its my GFX TRIBBLE up the oh so mighty graphics on login screen? Wtf?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Should try forcing v-sync to limit your framerate, i had the same problem in the beginning, fraps was showing a framerate of over 2000fps at the login screen, and my card was hitting 80c within minutes.

    After forcing vsync in the nvidia control panel and limiting the framerate to 60fps my temps now stay in the mid 60's for hours.

    it seems that the game runs the gpu at 100% constantly which is causing some to overheat, i had the very same problem with Eve and 5000+fps

    Edit: Not all game engines are the same, i too can run aion for hours with no problems without vsync.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Hawkwing wrote:
    It is obviously the game but that don't mean that it's easy finding what part of the game is causing this or why its only happening to some ppl

    if it is obviously the game then show me the proof. why isn't my system having these problems, if it is obviously the game? why is it only a relatively small portion of the playerbase, since it is obviously the game? why wasn't this seen by cryptic before now if it is obviously the game?

    i am not saying it is NOT the game, but you and others, seem to think this is a cut and dry "the game is at fault" when there is no way to say proof positive that the game is indeed causing these problems. it is far more likely something on your system is rejecting the way this game wants to work and causing the problem. perhaps you have a bad copy of DX9 but the bad portion is a rare set of calls that STO makes use of, hence you never noticed before? perhaps a bad set of C++ runtimes (don't know if the game uses these but it is possible and works as an example). either of those cases are not the fault of STO or cryptic, since they can't control whether you have bad DX files or not.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    It really irritates me when people say "Your system isn't ventilated well enough" "Your graphics card can't handle it." "You messed with the clock settings" or other such things.

    Now the "Your graphics card can't handle it." is the most Noob saying here, if the card can't handle it, the game will be stuttering like crazy even crashing, but it's not.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Actually, i've noticed higher temperature's are caused by higher framerates, if i go into a sector with a lot of asteriods, and my framerate drops slightly, so does the temperature.

    So people with higher temperatures probably have high-end gpu's so the 'Your graphics card cant handle it' statement is false.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Shotmagnet wrote:
    if it is obviously the game then show me the proof. why isn't my system having these problems, if it is obviously the game? why is it only a relatively small portion of the playerbase, since it is obviously the game? why wasn't this seen by cryptic before now if it is obviously the game?

    That's easy....

    If it only happens in STO then the problem is STO.

    and why your system don't have those problems, well no 2 rigs are alike.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    vidgamer wrote: »
    Should try forcing v-sync to limit your framerate, i had the same problem in the beginning, fraps was showing a framerate of over 2000fps at the login screen, and my card was hitting 80c within minutes.

    After forcing vsync in the nvidia control panel and limiting the framerate to 60fps my temps now stay in the mid 60's for hours.

    it seems that the game runs the gpu at 100% constantly which is causing some to overheat, i had the very same problem with Eve and 5000+fps

    Edit: Not all game engines are the same, i too can run aion for hours with no problems without vsync.

    Now THIS is an idea. This is something constructive in attempting to help with the problem. I haven't tried it but its at least better than "Make sure your ventilation is right."
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I wonder if Cryptic owns and graphic card subsidiaries lol
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