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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I need more info. Make/model. Search on you system for dxdiag.exe and run it. On the bottom their is a buttom "save all info" save it as a text files to the desktop. Open it and post it here. I know it's big.

    Ok.. here goes

    Operating System: Windows Vista™ Home Premium (6.0, Build 6002) Service Pack 2 (6002.vistasp2_gdr.090803-2339)
    Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
    System Manufacturer: Dell Inc.
    System Model: Inspiron 518
    BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
    Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU E2200 @ 2.20GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.2GHz
    Memory: 3070MB RAM
    Page File: 1042MB used, 5332MB available
    Windows Dir: C:\Windows
    DirectX Version: DirectX 11
    DX Setup Parameters: Not found
    DxDiag Version: 7.00.6002.18107 32bit Unicode

    Display Devices
    Card name: ATI Radeon HD 4350
    Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
    Chip type: ATI display adapter (0x954F)
    DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
    Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_954F&SUBSYS_24621682&REV_00
    Display Memory: 2296 MB
    Dedicated Memory: 1018 MB
    Shared Memory: 1278 MB
    Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (75Hz)
    Monitor: Dell E228WFP
    Driver Name: atiumdag.dll,atidxx32.dll,atiumdva.cap
    Driver Version: 8.14.0010.0708 (English)
    DDI Version: 10.1
    BGRA Supported: Yes

    System Devices
    Name: Intel(R) G33/G31/P35/P31 Express Chipset PCI Express Root Port - 29C1
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_29C1&SUBSYS_027D1028&REV_02\3&2411E6FE&0&08
    Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 6.00.6002.18005 (English), 4/11/2009 00:32:55, 149480 bytes

    Name: Intel(R) G33/G31/P35/P31 Express Chipset Processor to I/O Controller - 29C0
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_29C0&SUBSYS_027D1028&REV_02\3&2411E6FE&0&00
    Driver: n/a

    Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family PCI Express Root Port 5 - 2948
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2948&SUBSYS_29488086&REV_02\3&2411E6FE&0&E4
    Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 6.00.6002.18005 (English), 4/11/2009 00:32:55, 149480 bytes

    Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family PCI Express Root Port 1 - 2940
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2940&SUBSYS_29408086&REV_02\3&2411E6FE&0&E0
    Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 6.00.6002.18005 (English), 4/11/2009 00:32:55, 149480 bytes
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    i ran a check on my computer and it says that o will not be able 2 play because iv got " Mobile Intel(R) 4 Series Express Chipset Family " and this is not high enough but i meets the sub cats for it ,, :eek: hwlp iv been waiting for this for ages !
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I completely agreed with you. It's would be better to get a new system. Dell's are not as good as the use to be. Their Alienware line is good. Buying pre-built systems from HP/compaq, dell, gateway, ect.. Are all the same. They don't want you to the upgrade their systems. They want you to buy a new one. That why they design their systems the way they do.

    When you get a custom system you get better part which can be upgrade much easier. A pre-built system gaming life is very short.
    Do you have any computer stores in your area?
    Here's a couple of good online builders. Cyberpower has better pricing because they have a large selection.

    Alienware
    CyberPower

    EDIT: Sorry, My link isn't working. Try this one. http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=10141134
    I think cipher_nemo created it.
    Here's another one. http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=13190946

    Cyberpower gave me a "wholly TRIBBLE" moment - there are so many options for customization it is nuts. At first glance, the prices seem 20-30% less than Dell (or more). The newegg wish lists are helpful but I would need find a place to put the system together...did you mention earlier that you can pay someone at Fry $40 to build it or was I having a stroke?

    Any recommendations on sites to learn how to build a desktop so that the customization options at cyberpowerpc make sense?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    sandman105 wrote: »
    Ok.. here goes

    Operating System: Windows Vista™ Home Premium (6.0, Build 6002) Service Pack 2 (6002.vistasp2_gdr.090803-2339)
    Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
    System Manufacturer: Dell Inc.
    System Model: Inspiron 518
    BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
    Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU E2200 @ 2.20GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.2GHz
    Memory: 3070MB RAM
    Page File: 1042MB used, 5332MB available
    Windows Dir: C:\Windows
    DirectX Version: DirectX 11
    DX Setup Parameters: Not found
    DxDiag Version: 7.00.6002.18107 32bit Unicode

    Display Devices
    Card name: ATI Radeon HD 4350
    Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
    Chip type: ATI display adapter (0x954F)
    DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
    Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_954F&SUBSYS_24621682&REV_00
    Display Memory: 2296 MB
    Dedicated Memory: 1018 MB
    Shared Memory: 1278 MB
    Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (75Hz)
    Monitor: Dell E228WFP
    Driver Name: atiumdag.dll,atidxx32.dll,atiumdva.cap
    Driver Version: 8.14.0010.0708 (English)
    DDI Version: 10.1
    BGRA Supported: Yes

    System Devices
    Name: Intel(R) G33/G31/P35/P31 Express Chipset PCI Express Root Port - 29C1
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_29C1&SUBSYS_027D1028&REV_02\3&2411E6FE&0&08
    Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 6.00.6002.18005 (English), 4/11/2009 00:32:55, 149480 bytes

    Name: Intel(R) G33/G31/P35/P31 Express Chipset Processor to I/O Controller - 29C0
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_29C0&SUBSYS_027D1028&REV_02\3&2411E6FE&0&00
    Driver: n/a

    Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family PCI Express Root Port 5 - 2948
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2948&SUBSYS_29488086&REV_02\3&2411E6FE&0&E4
    Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 6.00.6002.18005 (English), 4/11/2009 00:32:55, 149480 bytes

    Name: Intel(R) ICH9 Family PCI Express Root Port 1 - 2940
    Device ID: PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_2940&SUBSYS_29408086&REV_02\3&2411E6FE&0&E0
    Driver: C:\Windows\system32\DRIVERS\pci.sys, 6.00.6002.18005 (English), 4/11/2009 00:32:55, 149480 bytes

    I'm sure Knight or Nemo will be along with a more detailed breakdown, but based on a consultation from the former and having read similar, previous posts, I'm thinking your GPU (ATI Radeon HD 4350) is a no-go.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    sandman105 wrote: »
    Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU E2200 @ 2.20GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.2GHz
    Memory: 3070MB RAM
    Card name: ATI Radeon HD 4350
    Dedicated Memory: 1018 MB

    The E2200 is a very low-end CPU, but should still run STO ok, and 3GB of RAM is fine.

    As for the video card, it's low-end and will struggle with STO. You'll probably be able to play at low settings and with choppy gameplay at parts, so I'd recommend a video card upgrade.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    The E2200 is a very low-end CPU, but should still run STO ok, and 3GB of RAM is fine.

    As for the video card, it's low-end and will struggle with STO. You'll probably be able to play at low settings and with choppy gameplay at parts, so I'd recommend a video card upgrade.

    Thanks for the tip about the card, but this one was an upgrade from my radeon 2400. The radeon 4350 was the best card I could get that my power supply could support. (wasnt the recommend card a radeon 3800 and above?)

    My initial reason for posting my specs in my prevoius post was to determine if i could upgrade to an E8400 cpu from my E2200.

    White Knight had requested I post the results from a dxdiag report.

    My initial concern was weather or not my mother board could handle a E8400 processor. My current cpu has a LGA 775 socket, as does the E8400 core 2 duo. Since they are both in the intel chip set family, I was wondering if i would be ok for that upgrade.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Cyberpower gave me a "wholly TRIBBLE" moment - there are so many options for customization it is nuts. At first glance, the prices seem 20-30% less than Dell (or more). The newegg wish lists are helpful but I would need find a place to put the system together...did you mention earlier that you can pay someone at Fry $40 to build it or was I having a stroke?

    Any recommendations on sites to learn how to build a desktop so that the customization options at cyberpowerpc make sense?
    Check with your local Fry's. I ask mine last week and they had labor on sale. $60.00 for hardware only. $100.00 for hardware and OS install. This is cheap. Micro Center charges $175.00 for OS. I can help you choice parts.

    Where do you live?

    Also, Cyberpower has a 800 # and live chap.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    sandman105 wrote: »
    Ok.. here goes

    Operating System: Windows Vista™ Home Premium (6.0, Build 6002) Service Pack 2 (6002.vistasp2_gdr.090803-2339)
    Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
    System Manufacturer: Dell Inc.
    System Model: Inspiron 518
    BIOS: Phoenix - AwardBIOS v6.00PG
    Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) Dual CPU E2200 @ 2.20GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.2GHz
    Memory: 3070MB RAM
    Page File: 1042MB used, 5332MB available
    Windows Dir: C:\Windows
    DirectX Version: DirectX 11
    DX Setup Parameters: Not found
    DxDiag Version: 7.00.6002.18107 32bit Unicode

    Display Devices
    Card name: ATI Radeon HD 4350
    Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
    Chip type: ATI display adapter (0x954F)
    DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
    Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_954F&SUBSYS_24621682&REV_00
    Display Memory: 2296 MB
    Dedicated Memory: 1018 MB
    Shared Memory: 1278 MB
    Current Mode: 1024 x 768 (32 bit) (75Hz)
    Monitor: Dell E228WFP
    Driver Name: atiumdag.dll,atidxx32.dll,atiumdva.cap
    Driver Version: 8.14.0010.0708 (English)
    DDI Version: 10.1
    BGRA Supported: Yes

    I did't know this was a Dell. Could you post the Service Tag #. It's on a stick on the case. This will allow me to look up the exact configuration of your machine.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I did't know this was a Dell. Could you post the Service Tag #. It's on a stick on the case. This will allow me to look up the exact configuration of your machine.

    service tag is

    HL83HH1

    I appreciate you helping me in this. Stuff about mother boards and computer tech is something im not good at understanding so easily LOL. Feel free to pm me if you need more info or anything.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    sandman105 wrote: »
    service tag is

    HL83HH1

    I appreciate you helping me in this. Stuff about mother boards and computer tech is something im not good at understanding so easily LOL. Feel free to pm me if you need more info or anything.
    Good news. You can add up to a Core 2 Quad Q9400 CPU. So you can do any Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Quad CPU. You will need to flash your BIOS too. The max Ram for you system is 4GB DDR2 800 (PC6400).

    Now you need to decided if it's worth buying a New CPU, PSU, GPU and RAM upgrade. Or getting a new system. We been encouraging people to buy custom systems. They have better parts and more future proof because the are upgradable.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Good news. You can add up to a Core 2 Quad Q9400 CPU. So you can do any Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Quad CPU. You will need to flash your BIOS too. The max Ram for you system is 4GB DDR2 800 (PC6400).

    Now you need to decided if it's worth buying a New CPU, PSU, GPU and RAM upgrade. Or getting a new system. We been encouraging people to buy custom systems. They have better parts and more future proof because the are upgradable.

    Thanks for that info White Knight! I was going to buy the E8400 Core 2 Duo a couple days ago, but decided to hold off untill I got info from you and cipher nemo.

    Ill probably stick another gigabyte of ram on my system to up it to 4, and Ill probably stick with the graphics card I have. I did just upgrade my video card from a radeon hd 2400 pro to an hd radeon 4350 1 gig card. Im not sure If I should replace my 300 watt power supply, or if i even can up it to a more powerfull one.

    However, I will probably purchase another system later down the road after I get my use out of this one. Money is a little tight for a brand new system, so upgrading parts on the one I have now is more viable at this point in time.

    Thanks again for your help! Its good to know I can up my processor to a core 2 quad or core 2 duo.:cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    sandman105 wrote: »
    Thanks for that info White Knight! I was going to buy the E8400 Core 2 Duo a couple days ago, but decided to hold off untill I got info from you and cipher nemo.

    Ill probably stick another gigabyte of ram on my system to up it to 4, and Ill probably stick with the graphics card I have. I did just upgrade my video card from a radeon hd 2400 pro to an hd radeon 4350 1 gig card. Im not sure If I should replace my 300 watt power supply, or if i even can up it to a more powerfull one.

    However, I will probably purchase another system later down the road after I get my use out of this one. Money is a little tight for a brand new system, so upgrading parts on the one I have now is more viable at this point in time.

    Thanks again for your help! Its good to know I can up my processor to a core 2 quad or core 2 duo.:cool:
    Since you have a 300 W PSU go with a ATI HD 4650 or 4670 cards. The card much better the 4350. If you can return that card.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091223/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_digital_life_tech_test_gaming_pcs;_ylt=ApKBuy4AZlZIkMMjNFcS.RIjtBAF;_ylu=X3oDMTM5YXRwM2dzBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkxMjIzL3VzX3RlY19kaWdpdGFsX2xpZmVfdGVjaF90ZXN0X2dhbWluZ19wY3MEY3BvcwMyBHBvcwM3BHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcnkEc2xrA3Jldmlld2NoZWFwZQ--

    The one problem with this article is it doesn't take into account the ability of upgrading these systems when the next Crysis comes out. CyberPower has a Xmas sale going on right now. You can get a AMD system for $559.00 then upgrade the GPU to GTX 260 for a total of $702.00 net.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Since you have a 300 W PSU go with a ATI HD 4650 or 4670 cards. The card much better the 4350. If you can return that card.

    Hmm, both the cards you mentioned require a 350 or 400 watt power supply. At least, thats what the specs about them on bestbuy.com says anyway.

    For the 4670- 350W power supply

    For the 4650- 400W or greater power supply
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    sandman105 wrote: »
    Hmm, both the cards you mentioned require a 350 or 400 watt power supply. At least, thats what the specs about them on bestbuy.com says anyway.

    For the 4670- 350W power supply

    For the 4650- 400W or greater power supply

    I've been pricing these cards for weeks and it was 300 W for 1 card and 400 W for crossfire. The specs change. I see 300, 350, and 400 watts now. Something must have happen. New inventory?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I've been pricing these cards for weeks and it was 300 W for 1 card and 400 W for crossfire. The specs change. I see 300, 350, and 400 watts now. Something must have happen. New inventory?

    Ah, specs are different if you use cross fire. I didnt take that into account. :cool:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    sandman105 wrote: »
    Ah, specs are different if you use cross fire. I didnt take that into account. :cool:

    I try to take everything into account. I tend to research before I response to a question. I'm very careful.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Unfortunatley though, I cant return my 4350. Its already plugged into my rig. Though, I will take into consideration one of the other cards you mentioned a little while down the line. Im interested to see how mine fairs for a while.

    Trying to return it would be a nightmare at best buy anway.:cool:
    I was tripple charged for it anyway, so i had to file a claim against best buy and my bank was ready to file charges against them if they didnt remove the 2 other charges. To much hassle over a video card...:eek:
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I've been pricing these cards for weeks and it was 300 W for 1 card and 400 W for crossfire. The specs change. I see 300, 350, and 400 watts now. Something must have happen. New inventory?

    Hence my musing over whether or not I want to have a PSU upgrade. Granted it's recommended if one is looking to upgrade to better components, but I was hoping to get away with just a GPU upgrade until my finances permit me to acquire a quality unit. That and I'm taking my time with the research. . .
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    This is quite an excellent thread; good work, White Knight and Cipher Nemo. I, myself, have embarked on a bit of an upgrade adventure that is probably going to culminate in the most delightfully ridiculous bit of computer chiancery I've engaged in in the past decade; more on this in a day or two, as it develops.

    I do have one minor disagreement with your assessment of graphics cards here, though, WK. While everything else in the "non-gaming card" column is definitely below par (what is Nvidia thinking with the 210, seriously), I have to respectfully disagree about the 9500GT. The 9500 is on par with the 8600, which was and still is a quite acceptable card. At lower resolutions, the 9500 puts up fairly respectable numbers for such a budget card. It's certainly as full-featured as many of the more complex cards, and won't have heat issues and the like.

    Now, the big problem of course is that a 9500 is often only $10-15 cheaper than a 4670 or a 9600, both of which simply blow the 9500 absolutely out of the water. However, if someone absolutely, positively has to squeeze every last penny of savings out of building a new rig, I'm of the opinion that the 9500 is an acceptable piece of hardware.

    Anyway, keep on fighting the good fight! I might pop in to provide advice myself from time to time.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    SpaceDrake wrote: »
    This is quite an excellent thread; good work, White Knight and Cipher Nemo. I, myself, have embarked on a bit of an upgrade adventure that is probably going to culminate in the most delightfully ridiculous bit of computer chiancery I've engaged in in the past decade; more on this in a day or two, as it develops.

    I do have one minor disagreement with your assessment of graphics cards here, though, WK. While everything else in the "non-gaming card" column is definitely below par (what is Nvidia thinking with the 210, seriously), I have to respectfully disagree about the 9500GT. The 9500 is on par with the 8600, which was and still is a quite acceptable card. At lower resolutions, the 9500 puts up fairly respectable numbers for such a budget card. It's certainly as full-featured as many of the more complex cards, and won't have heat issues and the like.

    Now, the big problem of course is that a 9500 is often only $10-15 cheaper than a 4670 or a 9600, both of which simply blow the 9500 absolutely out of the water. However, if someone absolutely, positively has to squeeze every last penny of savings out of building a new rig, I'm of the opinion that the 9500 is an acceptable piece of hardware.

    Anyway, keep on fighting the good fight! I might pop in to provide advice myself from time to time.
    I just read this review NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT Video Card It did Crysis and Call of Duty 4 with a 8600 GTS, 9500 GT and 9600 GT. The 9500 GT did better the the 8600 GTS but the 9600 GT kick their butts. If I add the 9500 GT to entry level gaming card it would be a low game setting for STO. Plus it needs a 350 to 400 W PSU. Compare to the 400 W that both the ATI 4650 or GF 9600 GT use it just doesn't feel like a good deal. That's what I hate about Nvidia. Their cards needs to much power.

    Cipher Nemo what do you think?

    Also, I been rethink the ATI HD 4550. Since I just loss the ATI 4650 cards that I was recommending for PC with only a 300 - 350 W PSU. It looks like a new line of the 4650 cards are out which needs 400 W PSU or they just up the power req. I need a 300 W GPU. Any thoughts?

    Maybe ATI Radeon HD 3650. They only need 300 W.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I was curious if either white knight or Cipher Nemo would be able to help me and let me know if my computer is capable of running the game at all. I went to http://cyri.systemrequirementslab.com/srtest/ and it says that my unit is capable of running the game just not at the full blown reccommended settings. what info would you guys need from me to tell me what i would need to upgrade im currently on a dell system and will pull a dxdiag if you would like.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    swarsmike wrote: »
    I was curious if either white knight or Cipher Nemo would be able to help me and let me know if my computer is capable of running the game at all. I went to http://cyri.systemrequirementslab.com/srtest/ and it says that my unit is capable of running the game just not at the full blown reccommended settings. what info would you guys need from me to tell me what i would need to upgrade im currently on a dell system and will pull a dxdiag if you would like.
    Make/model, Also, do a search on your PC for dxdiag.exe run it. On the bottom there is a button "Save All Info" save as a txt file to your desktop. Open it and post it here. I know it's a big file.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Make/model, Also, do a search on your PC for dxdiag.exe run it. On the bottom there is a button "Save All Info" save as a txt file to your desktop. Open it and post it here. I know it's a big file.

    ok here goes its a Dell xps 400 (ive dome a few upgrades to it since then)

    System Information
    Time of this report: 12/24/2009, 01:03:51
    Machine name: MICHAEL-486FE9B
    Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.090804-1435)
    Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
    System Manufacturer: Dell Inc.
    System Model: Dell DXP051
    BIOS: Phoenix ROM BIOS PLUS Version 1.10 A07
    Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz (2 CPUs)
    Memory: 3582MB RAM
    Page File: 1154MB used, 3798MB available
    Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
    DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
    DX Setup Parameters: Not found
    DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.5512 32bit Unicode

    DxDiag Notes
    DirectX Files Tab: No problems found.
    Display Tab 1: No problems found.
    Display Tab 2: No problems found.
    Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
    Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
    Music Tab: No problems found.
    Input Tab: No problems found.
    Network Tab: No problems found.

    DirectX Debug Levels
    Direct3D: 0/4 (n/a)
    DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
    DirectInput: 0/5 (n/a)
    DirectMusic: 0/5 (n/a)
    DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
    DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
    DirectShow: 0/6 (retail)

    Display Devices
    Card name: ATI Radeon HD 4600 Series
    Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
    Chip type: ATI Radeon Graphics Processor (0x9498)
    DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
    Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9498&SUBSYS_43321545&REV_00
    Display Memory: 512.0 MB
    Current Mode: 1600 x 1200 (32 bit) (60Hz)
    Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
    Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
    Driver Name: ati2dvag.dll
    Driver Version: 6.14.0010.7028 (English)
    DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
    Driver Attributes: Final Retail
    Driver Date/Size: 11/24/2009 21:26:52, 300032 bytes
    WHQL Logo'd: Yes
    WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
    VDD: n/a
    Mini VDD: ati2mtag.sys
    Mini VDD Date: 11/24/2009 21:50:16, 4463104 bytes
    Device Identifier: {D7B71EE2-D7D8-11CF-816D-3863A1C2CB35}
    Vendor ID: 0x1002
    Device ID: 0x9498
    SubSys ID: 0x43321545
    Revision ID: 0x0000
    Revision ID: 0x0000
    Video Accel: ModeMPEG2_C ModeMPEG2_D
    Deinterlace Caps: {6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(YUY2,YUY2) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
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    {6E8329FF-B642-418B-BCF0-BCB6591E255F}: Format(In/Out)=(UYVY,UYVY) Frames(Prev/Fwd/Back)=(0,0,1) Caps=VideoProcess_YUV2RGB VideoProcess_StretchX VideoProcess_StretchY DeinterlaceTech_PixelAdaptive
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    Registry: OK
    DDraw Status: Enabled
    D3D Status: Enabled
    AGP Status: Enabled
    DDraw Test Result: Not run
    D3D7 Test Result: Not run
    D3D8 Test Result: Not run
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    Card name: ATI Radeon HD 4600 Series
    Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
    Chip type: ATI Radeon Graphics Processor (0x9498)
    DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
    Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9498&SUBSYS_43321545&REV_00
    Display Memory: 512.0 MB
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    Driver Name: ati2dvag.dll
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    DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
    Driver Attributes: Final Retail
    Driver Date/Size: 11/24/2009 21:26:52, 300032 bytes
    WHQL Logo'd: Yes
    WHQL Date Stamp: n/a
    VDD: n/a
    Mini VDD: ati2mtag.sys
    Mini VDD Date: 11/24/2009 21:50:16, 4463104 bytes
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    SubSys ID: 0x43321545
    Revision ID: 0x0000
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    Registry: OK
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  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    swarsmike wrote: »
    ok here goes its a Dell xps 400 (ive dome a few upgrades to it since then)

    System Information
    Time of this report: 12/24/2009, 01:03:51
    Machine name: MICHAEL-486FE9B
    Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp_sp3_gdr.090804-1435)
    Language: English (Regional Setting: English)
    System Manufacturer: Dell Inc.
    System Model: Dell DXP051
    BIOS: Phoenix ROM BIOS PLUS Version 1.10 A07
    Processor: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz (2 CPUs)
    Memory: 3582MB RAM
    Page File: 1154MB used, 3798MB available
    Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS
    DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)
    DX Setup Parameters: Not found
    DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.5512 32bit Unicode

    Display Devices
    Card name: ATI Radeon HD 4600 Series
    Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc.
    Chip type: ATI Radeon Graphics Processor (0x9498)
    DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz)
    Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9498&SUBSYS_43321545&REV_00
    Display Memory: 512.0 MB
    Current Mode: 1600 x 1200 (32 bit) (60Hz)
    Monitor: Plug and Play Monitor
    Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200
    Driver Name: ati2dvag.dll
    Driver Version: 6.14.0010.7028 (English)
    DDI Version: 9 (or higher)
    Driver Attributes: Final Retail
    Driver Date/Size: 11/24/2009 21:26:52, 300032 bytes

    What is the Service Tag #? What graphic card and PSU?
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I just read this review NVIDIA GeForce 9500 GT Video Card It did Crysis and Call of Duty 4 with a 8600 GTS, 9500 GT and 9600 GT. The 9500 GT did better the the 8600 GTS but the 9600 GT kick their butts. If I add the 9500 GT to entry level gaming card it would be a low game setting for STO. Plus it needs a 350 to 400 W PSU. Compare to the 400 W that both the ATI 4650 or GF 9600 GT use it just doesn't feel like a good deal. That's what I hate about Nvidia. Their cards needs to much power.

    Well, to be perfectly frank, if people are still using 300 watt power supplies, the first order of business is to recommend that they upgrade their power supply. Despite chip dies shrinking recently and the 40nm process coming into favor, 300 watts is really starting to look like it just isn't going to cut the mustard.

    Like I said, I'd only recommend the 9500 - not to mention the 4550 - to people who absolutely, positively must squeeze every single final penny out of their upgrade budget. (Especially since it can be had for cheaper than I thought - a few places are offering it now for $50 or so.) Obviously if you have even a little more money, the 9600 or 4670 is the way to go, and for even a hair more you can get a 4770 or 9800, which will smoke STO. But especially right now, where people can really be feeling the pinch at times, if you need to go cheap a 9500 isn't a total disaster of a card when it comes to building an STO-capable rig.




    Anyway, eyeballing Mike, I'd say... you might be OK. I'd bet my hat, in fact, that you're using one of the old 90nm Smithfield-type Pentium-D 820s (the clock frequency matches the dxdiag report). I would suspect it'll be enough to brute-force your way through the game, since STO only requires the lowest-end Core 2 Duos to run properly. The Pentium Ds were kind of a brute-force attempt at dualcore microprocessing, though, and I'm not sure how well STO will really operate in that environment.

    The big problem that I see is that your motherboard is already tragically out of date. Intel's Core 2 and i5/7 line use completely different socket designs compared to the Pentium D, meaning that there's no further upgrade path for you with that motherboard, since Pentium Ds went off the market years ago now. So even if you're OK now, you'll have to upgrade in a year or two anyway when games start taking advantage of some of the more complex instructions the Core 2s and Athlon II X2s are capable of.

    My own personal recommendation would be to salvage the hard drive, graphics card and everything else from your current machine, and pick up a Core 2 or i5/7 motherboard and processor (if you want to stay with Intel). You could probably even cannibalize the case and power supply, if you feel confident, although we'd need to know what kind of PSU you have before making that call.

    Basically, that machine probably CAN run STO, although the Pentium D won't give you the performance you'd really want and you should consider upgrading your processor and motherboard anyway, as you're unfortunately kind of dead-ended in terms of upgrade capacity.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Eh im gona have to upgrade my entire cpu just to play this game :(
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    What is the Service Tag #? What graphic card and PSU?

    service tag # is 68kml81
    graphics card is an radeon 4650 hd
    and not shure what psu stands for but if you mean power supply its the base 375 watt that came with the computer
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    swarsmike wrote: »
    service tag # is 68kml81
    graphics card is an radeon 4650 hd
    and not shure what psu stands for but if you mean power supply its the base 375 watt that came with the computer
    The Pentium D is below specs. The game list a Core 2 Duo. The Pentium D is two generations older then the Core 2 Duo. A lot of the tech in the Core 2 processors are from AMD. Pentium D just can run the set of instruction that these newer processors can. Your motherboard is over 4 yrs old and a DELL. Dell hasn't release a software update for it since 2005. You could add a Core 2 processor to it but it just wouldn't give you the best performance. It's just not worth putting anymore money into it.

    That site you ran the test have been giving a lot of false positives. You can try the game, but I think on your system it just won't be enjoyable. It's time for a new system. Don't buy a "retail PC". Since you been upgrading your system you maybe able to build your own PC. We can help you with that. The GPU and maybe the DVD can be reuse. If the HDD is a IDE you won't be able to use it. Everything else must go include the PSU.

    Here are a couple of links which explain how the build your own PC. Don't worry about the parts they are using. Just concentrate on the instructions. See if you feel comfortable with doing it yourself.
    http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/build_perfect_pc_stepbystep_illustrated_howto_guide
    http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/build_a_500_pc_play_crysis_40fps

    Are there any good computer stores in your area? Where do you live?

    Also, CyberPower Inc. is having a sale right now. You can get their AMD $559.00 special and upgrade the GPU to a GTX 260 for a net price of $702.00. This system will be very upgradable. You could upgrade to a Phenom II later.
  • Archived PostArchived Post Member Posts: 2,264,498 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Adm.Picard wrote: »
    Eh im gona have to upgrade my entire cpu just to play this game :(

    CyberPower Inc. is having a sale right now. You can get their AMD $559.00 special and upgrade the GPU to a GTX 260 for a net price of $702.00. This system will be very upgradable. You could upgrade to a Phenom II later.
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