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This maneuverable warbird, coming to the Infinity Lockbox on PC, has an array of features that give it an advantage in combat as a hit-and-run vessel!

https://www.playstartrekonline.com/en/news/article/11574504
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  • husanakxhusanakx Member Posts: 1,673 Arc User
    Infinity... ok was wondering how it was coming to the game seeing as the blog doesn't actually say. lol
  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 6,085 Arc User
    edited March 20
    I have been wanting something based on the original vertical TNG warbird design that was passed over for the horizontal one for a long time and it looks great. The fact that it is smaller and way more maneuverable than a D'Deridex is also a plus, and the systems it has are quite interesting.

    However, the fact that the stats conspicuously fail to mention the core type makes me wonder if it is going to be a proper Romulan ship or another Klingon-ship-in-Romulan-clothing like the Rallus is, which could be a dealbreaker for me and a lot of other traditional Romulan ship fans I have chatted with about the Rallus.
  • husanakxhusanakx Member Posts: 1,673 Arc User
    I have been wanting something based on the original vertical TNG warbird design that was passed over for the horizontal one for a long time and it looks great. The fact that it is smaller and way more maneuverable than a D'Deridex is also a plus, and the systems it has are quite interesting.

    However, the fact that the stats conspicuously fail to mention the core type makes me wonder if it is going to be a proper Romulan ship or another Klingon-ship-in-Romulan-clothing like the Rallus is, which could be a dealbreaker for me and a lot of other traditional Romulan ship fans I have chatted with about the Rallus.

    Not having to deal with a singularity core... was a positive. Why would you WANT a sing core?
  • inferiorityinferiority Member Posts: 4,719 Arc User
    edited March 20
    However, the fact that the stats conspicuously fail to mention the core type makes me wonder if it is going to be a proper Romulan ship or another Klingon-ship-in-Romulan-clothing like the Rallus is, which could be a dealbreaker for me and a lot of other traditional Romulan ship fans I have chatted with about the Rallus.

    The ship leaked early, and quite unfinished - with a proper Singularity Core, which it's very likely to still have in the final form.
    (The Rallus lacking a Singularity Core was indeed, a major disappointment!)

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  • sthe91sthe91 Member Posts: 6,371 Arc User
    > @husanakx said:
    > Not having to deal with a singularity core... was a positive. Why would you WANT a sing core?

    There are people who use singularity cores like me. To you and others it is a positive, to me and others it is a negative. I will not use the Rallus until they change it to being singularity-core based or a hybrid where you can use either a warp or singularity core. Not everyone is about the meta or the DPS.
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  • nepsthennepsthen Member Posts: 217 Arc User
    Looks neat, but it's a lock box ship. I may pick it up next year with the campaign reward.
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
    Plus: New romulan ship
    Minus: Lockbox.
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  • mariqa#4594 mariqa Member Posts: 126 Arc User
    Hmm, looks interesting but yeah no mention of a Singularity Core, no sign of the usual abilities getting listed. There are also inconsistencies, mentions in the stat block that the Console is Field if Prey and that the Experimental is a Holobolt Cannon but are later listed as Chroniton Flicker and Entropic Agitator respectively in the description blocks.
  • husanakxhusanakx Member Posts: 1,673 Arc User
    Hmm, looks interesting but yeah no mention of a Singularity Core, no sign of the usual abilities getting listed. There are also inconsistencies, mentions in the stat block that the Console is Field if Prey and that the Experimental is a Holobolt Cannon but are later listed as Chroniton Flicker and Entropic Agitator respectively in the description blocks.

    Copy and paste from the previous lockbox. The more things change the more they stay exactly the same.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    I can try asking again about the Rom Dyson. I'm neutral on the subject of its Core, but I do admit it is a bit odd that the T5 had a Singularity Core and the T6 had a Warp Core.
    I can't guarantee I'll get an answer on this one, but I'll still try.
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  • husanakxhusanakx Member Posts: 1,673 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    I can try asking again about the Rom Dyson. I'm neutral on the subject of its Core, but I do admit it is a bit odd that the T5 had a Singularity Core and the T6 had a Warp Core.
    I can't guarantee I'll get an answer on this one, but I'll still try.

    I really hope they wouldn't gimp ships that are already in the game with a warp core.
    Having said that. I think the best solution would be to just let new Rom ships use either. Use the excuse of the alliance stuff. Then everyone is happy. Sing cores really are terrible, the sing skills are all so dated it makes zero sense in the game we have to run -40 power on purpose. I get the RP of it... but lockbox ships gotta sell to more then just RP players.
  • hpgibbshpgibbs Member Posts: 398 Arc User
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    Looking at the tool tip, Why does the trait specifically talk heavily about "temporal energy" and what not, yet only deals with cloaking? By the working, and the logic of the trait, shouldn't the trait also be activated by temporal abilities?
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  • nepsthennepsthen Member Posts: 217 Arc User
    It's flavor text, but I can see how it can be confusing. The "temporal energy" that boff abilities create and/or consume is "entropy."
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    husanakx wrote: »
    I really hope they wouldn't gimp ships that are already in the game with a warp core.
    Having said that. I think the best solution would be to just let new Rom ships use either. Use the excuse of the alliance stuff. Then everyone is happy. Sing cores really are terrible, the sing skills are all so dated it makes zero sense in the game we have to run -40 power on purpose. I get the RP of it... but lockbox ships gotta sell to more then just RP players.

    It shouldn't. The only ship in question regarding the Core is the T6 Romulan Dyson, as the T5 has a Singularity Core, but the T6 does not. Why would a T6 ship whose T5 had a Singularity Core have a Warp Core?
    If it was intentional, then that's it. It was intentional. If it was not and it just slipped under the radar... maybe they'll fix it so that it lines up with other Romulan ships.
    We'll just have to wait and see if we get an answer on that.

    While it could be argued that its because its based on Dyson Sphere tech that it has to use a normal Warp Core... that argument admittedly falls apart because the T5 had a Singularity Core.
    nepsthen wrote: »
    It's flavor text, but I can see how it can be confusing. The "temporal energy" that boff abilities create and/or consume is "entropy."

    Yea I would assume it synergizes with Temporal BOff abilities. Certain abilities generate Entropy, while others spend that built up Entropy.

    Personally that always kinda confused me and I could never find a ship with enough seating to fully take advantage of my usual abilities AND Temporal.
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  • e8333e8333 Member Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited March 21
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  • chipmo#4767 chipmo Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    Hi, I really like new Kiith Intel Warbird, great work on the art side. Unfortunately I just can't see how it would be worth flying over either the Legendary Valdore Temporal Ops Warbird, or the Dhailkhina Command Strike Wing Warbird. Primarily due to them both having the advantage of a hangar bay.

    Would it be reasonable to add a hangar bay to the Kiith Intel Warbird in a balance pass perhaps?
  • cookiecrookcookiecrook Member Posts: 4,577 Arc User
    Hi, I really like new Kiith Intel Warbird, great work on the art side. Unfortunately I just can't see how it would be worth flying over either the Legendary Valdore Temporal Ops Warbird, or the Dhailkhina Command Strike Wing Warbird. Primarily due to them both having the advantage of a hangar bay.

    Would it be reasonable to add a hangar bay to the Kiith Intel Warbird in a balance pass perhaps?

    A bump to the hull modifier couldn't hurt either with shields being mostly useless.

    Personally, I never liked the Singularity Core mechanic either.
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  • dnaangel9dnaangel9 Member Posts: 133 Arc User
    edited March 26
    sthe91 wrote: »
    > @husanakx said:
    > There are people who use singularity cores like me. To you and others it is a positive, to me and others it is a negative. I will not use the Rallus until they change it to being singularity-core based or a hybrid where you can use either a warp or singularity core. Not everyone is about the meta or the DPS.

    That's the most overused cop out. You put weapons on your ship yeah? You're actively trying to kill enemies during the missions, yeah? You look for little ways to improve how quickly you kill those enemies, yeah? Then you care about DPS. The whole game is about doing damage, as it was never designed with the traditional "Holy Trinity" in mind. People that "properly" tank and heal, do it because they just want to, not because the game requires it. Generally the ones that make comments like yours, are the ones expecting to be carried through content.

    Romulan ships are and have always been a net-negative due to the mechanics of the Singularity Core. You take such a hit on your power levels that you have to gimp builds in various areas to account for this as even the most casual and modest player will appreciate higher power levels and see an uptick in their combat performance as a result. Even before you factor in some very powerful (often free) consoles that also reduce power level as a biproduct, or are heavily based on them for their effectiveness.

    I agree with many here that Romulan ships should have hybrid slots for the cores.

  • sthe91sthe91 Member Posts: 6,371 Arc User
    edited March 26
    dnaangel9 wrote: »
    sthe91 wrote: »
    > @husanakx said:
    > There are people who use singularity cores like me. To you and others it is a positive, to me and others it is a negative. I will not use the Rallus until they change it to being singularity-core based or a hybrid where you can use either a warp or singularity core. Not everyone is about the meta or the DPS.

    That's the most overused cop out. You put weapons on your ship yeah? You're actively trying to kill enemies during the missions, yeah? You look for little ways to improve how quickly you kill those enemies, yeah? Then you care about DPS. The whole game is about doing damage, as it was never designed with the traditional "Holy Trinity" in mind. People that "properly" tank and heal, do it because they just want to, not because the game requires it. Generally the ones that make comments like yours, are the ones expecting to be carried through content.

    Romulan ships are and have always been a net-negative due to the mechanics of the Singularity Core. You take such a hit on your power levels that you have to gimp builds in various areas to account for this as even the most casual and modest player will appreciate higher power levels and see an uptick in their combat performance as a result. Even before you factor in some very powerful (often free) consoles that also reduce power level as a biproduct, or are heavily based on them for their effectiveness.

    I agree with many here that Romulan ships should have hybrid slots for the cores.

    Dnaangel9, you do not know me. I play STO to have fun. It is not a cop out, I stand by it. Yes, I do get weapons to do damage but that is not my primary purpose in playing this game, it is because it is Star Trek. I really don't go for the meta or DPS. My builds tend to be thematic for the various factions. Phasers for Fed, still working on upgrading TOS Phasers if I use them for my TOS character, Disruptors for KDF, Plasma for Romulan Republic, and Polaron for Dominion. There is always room for improvement, otherwise I like where my main is and still working on improving my characters, both ground and space.

    I know the game was not designed around the traditional gaming trinity. I have been playing Star Trek Online a certain amount of time after it became F2P.

    No, I do not expect to be carried through content, I can do normal and advanced not elite and am not interested in it and know I would not be good at it.

    Back to the topic, I do agree with you on hybrid slots for either a warp or singularity core if my first option is not considered. This dilemma would not have happened in the first place, if they had just put a singularity core on the ship when it was introduced or had introduced the option of having either a warp or sing core in the slot.
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  • dnaangel9dnaangel9 Member Posts: 133 Arc User
    sthe91 wrote: »
    dnaangel9 wrote: »
    sthe91 wrote: »
    > @husanakx said:
    > There are people who use singularity cores like me. To you and others it is a positive, to me and others it is a negative. I will not use the Rallus until they change it to being singularity-core based or a hybrid where you can use either a warp or singularity core. Not everyone is about the meta or the DPS.

    That's the most overused cop out. You put weapons on your ship yeah? You're actively trying to kill enemies during the missions, yeah? You look for little ways to improve how quickly you kill those enemies, yeah? Then you care about DPS. The whole game is about doing damage, as it was never designed with the traditional "Holy Trinity" in mind. People that "properly" tank and heal, do it because they just want to, not because the game requires it. Generally the ones that make comments like yours, are the ones expecting to be carried through content.

    Romulan ships are and have always been a net-negative due to the mechanics of the Singularity Core. You take such a hit on your power levels that you have to gimp builds in various areas to account for this as even the most casual and modest player will appreciate higher power levels and see an uptick in their combat performance as a result. Even before you factor in some very powerful (often free) consoles that also reduce power level as a biproduct, or are heavily based on them for their effectiveness.

    I agree with many here that Romulan ships should have hybrid slots for the cores.

    No, I do not expect to be carried through content, I can do normal and advanced not elite and am not interested in it and know I would not be good at it.

    And I respect you for realizing that and staying in the lower level content. I wish more players would. Its becoming a epidemic with players queing hard level content who have no business being there and expect to be carried. Its gets old. Everyone has their own reasons for playing (we all play to 'have fun' otherwise we wouldn't be playing) and there is nothing wrong with that. That's never my gripe. My thing has always been, if youre the type that is playing for RP/Headcanon and dont want to put much effort into doing better, then get with 4 other like minded buddies and que content together without impeding those that do care.

  • icetyger1icetyger1 Member Posts: 9 Arc User
    Not a huge fan of Romulan Ships. Only really found 3 I like. Legendary Valdore Temporal Ops Warbird, Kelvin Timeline T'Laru Carrier and the Ra'nodaire Carrier. From what I can make out this one doesn't even have a Singularity Core and just looks like a D'Deridex with the wings at 90 degrees. Personally having recently started a new Gorn alt I was supprised at how few Gorn ships there are, and they aren't particularly "must haves". Lots in the Gorn Sepratists deep space encounter :persevere:
  • husanakxhusanakx Member Posts: 1,673 Arc User
    icetyger1 wrote: »
    Not a huge fan of Romulan Ships. Only really found 3 I like. Legendary Valdore Temporal Ops Warbird, Kelvin Timeline T'Laru Carrier and the Ra'nodaire Carrier. From what I can make out this one doesn't even have a Singularity Core and just looks like a D'Deridex with the wings at 90 degrees. Personally having recently started a new Gorn alt I was supprised at how few Gorn ships there are, and they aren't particularly "must haves". Lots in the Gorn Sepratists deep space encounter :persevere:

    Rom ships used to be +1. They had more hull, they had an extra weapon slot vs KDF BOPs. The sing core skills were pretty powerful when they first entered the game. Power Creep has made them irrelevant. Every new ship now has crazy 1.1-1.5 hull modifiers. Every new ship has a bunch of universal seats. Ships like the Eagle completely replace not only the KDF bops but also romulan versions like the tvaro and tliss. Its a +1 in every regard... AND it uses a standard warp core. So +40 power.

    The -40 power was always a painful draw back back. People forget it wasn't JUST the core abilities you got in trade. You got better ships. Power creep has caught up with them. They also power creeped power. Isomags have made weapon power even more valuable. Then they add the custom power matrix to the game. The custom power matrix will offer you +20% global haste (which is an insane buff) for -20 shield power. So on a romulan your now dealing with -30 shield power. 15% crtd for -15 engine power. Again this is more painful on a sing core ship.

    The sing core was a cool idea, it was cannon. It was new... and -40 power traded for a few decent abilities and more importantly better ships like the Tvaro Tliss Shim seemed like a fair trade off. At this point the most logical thing to do with sing core ships would be to upgrade their core slots to a hybrid situation. Slot either core. No Sing cores in non romulan ships... but for rom ships give them the option. Grey out the sing abilities if you put a core in.

    The -40 is also why no one ever flew the Romulan science ships. The rom sci ships were painfully bad with the -40 power. Which is I assume why they released the dyson sci destroyers with cores. With sing cores those would have been the worst sci ships in the game.
  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 6,085 Arc User
    edited March 26
    Singularity cored ships can be just as effective as warp core ships, you just have to build and fly them different from the warp core ships. They may not set DPS records but as others have pointed out not everyone plays the game to set and break records, some like to add some threads of roleplay, theme, or canon authenticity to their builds and playstyle.

    And some like to see what they can do with non-meta theme builds and get some measure of satisfaction in pushing them as far as they can go without sacrificing that theme, which is often not that far behind the meta in the case of singularity cores and is usually more than good enough to participate in elite level TFOs without being "carried". There is more than one opinion on what makes a good challenge than simply parsing the highest numbers possible.

    And yes, singularity cores are not optimal for the kind of pure energy builds that so dominate the meta, but Romulans are known for their use of torpedoes, so energy is not quite as much of a problem for a Romulan style build with their more torp-balanced mix of beams and torps. Personally, I think all singularity cores, as an across the board base, should either get a small buff to their base energy or perhaps an innate boost to torpedo use of some kind (there are several good possibilities there), or innate boosts to cloaking speed and cooldown and/or decloaking ambush bonus, because they didn't get a buff when the warp cores did, but even without that they are just as viable as warp cores for any level of play if you know what you are doing.

    Another factor is that there are not just optimization differences between PvP and PvE, the optimization parameters are also different between group and solo content, and battlecloak equipped, singularity powered ships are well suited to the slower-paced, more thinking-oriented combat in patrols and missions where one is not compelled to run races with speedrunners to get kills.
  • husanakxhusanakx Member Posts: 1,673 Arc User
    edited March 27
    Singularity cored ships can be just as effective as warp core ships, you just have to build and fly them different from the warp core ships. They may not set DPS records but as others have pointed out not everyone plays the game to set and break records, some like to add some threads of roleplay, theme, or canon authenticity to their builds and playstyle.

    And some like to see what they can do with non-meta theme builds and get some measure of satisfaction in pushing them as far as they can go without sacrificing that theme, which is often not that far behind the meta in the case of singularity cores and is usually more than good enough to participate in elite level TFOs without being "carried". There is more than one opinion on what makes a good challenge than simply parsing the highest numbers possible.

    And yes, singularity cores are not optimal for the kind of pure energy builds that so dominate the meta, but Romulans are known for their use of torpedoes, so energy is not quite as much of a problem for a Romulan style build with their more torp-balanced mix of beams and torps. Personally, I think all singularity cores, as an across the board base, should either get a small buff to their base energy or perhaps an innate boost to torpedo use of some kind (there are several good possibilities there), or innate boosts to cloaking speed and cooldown and/or decloaking ambush bonus, because they didn't get a buff when the warp cores did, but even without that they are just as viable as warp cores for any level of play if you know what you are doing.

    Another factor is that there are not just optimization differences between PvP and PvE, the optimization parameters are also different between group and solo content, and battlecloak equipped, singularity powered ships are well suited to the slower-paced, more thinking-oriented combat in patrols and missions where one is not compelled to run races with speedrunners to get kills.

    The ironic thing...
    The Delta expansion chased off a large % of the games player base. Mainly because all of their favorite ships got bit by the power creep. They could have just kept playing their now less then fed and kdf toons. I mean they could still role play just fine and it was cannon that the Romulans are superior after all.

    Now years later the players that stuck around and re rolled Romulan toons, and flew Romulan ships mostly. Are all flying non romulan ships cause the creep bit the sing core.

    Its Cryptic/Decas own fault. No one forced them to create ISOs, or add power matrix consoles. They have purposely made having less power even more painful then it was just a few years ago. I mean even for torp builds or torp heavy mix builds that you speak of. The power matrix console is going to give you 20% torp/mine/experimental weapon cool down. Granted you can at least put it in the slot that gives you some shield power back so you don't actually loose any power over all. Still its a disadvantage vs just flying a Eagle. Which can do the same without having to be slower / squishier / or give up DPS. Sure you can build to make a T'varo/Tliss still torp just fine. But why not just fly an Eagle? You even get double speed torps with the eagle console. The Niche play styles Rom ships used to have, are mostly better done with non rom ships.
  • docjohn3docjohn3 Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    This design would have been better served as a Zen store 3 ship bundle. As the original Probert concept drawings had at least 3 configurations, the game could have received Tac/Eng/Sci variants. A truly wasted opportunity, but I'm not surprised anymore, just saddened at yet another loss of designs. wnwn7cl03908.jpg

  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    I fail to see how it is a "loss of designs". The one they released was seen in Lower Decks and is clearly a smaller ship. They can STILL do the concept D'Deridex designs as a full size cruiser if they wanted. Nothing stopped them from making the Narendra, which is just the concept Ambassador.
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