Quality of Life Request: Add T3 and T4 exclusive ship appearances to T5 and T6 ship tailor options

roninwolf1981

Finally getting around to playing these Birds of Prey variants (QulDun, Mchair, Norgh, Ning'tao, Ki'tang, Ch'tang, Hegh'tal, Haj), I'm baffled as to why their appearances and parts are not available to the T6 Kor and the T6 Legendary B'rel Birds of Prey. They practically fly the same way, and fire their weapons the same way, so why not add them to the T6 Bird of Prey tailor? In fact, there are other ships that appear to fly the same way as their T6 counterparts, but their parts are not available in the ship tailor, such as the T4 Galaxy appearances that are not available to the T6 Andromeda or the T5 Galaxy Retrofit.

(The Bird-of-Prey and the Galaxy parts are just examples; there are more ships in the T1-T4 tiers that are not available as skins unlocks for T5 and T6 ships).

inferiority

roninwolf1981#2968 wrote: »

Finally getting around to playing these Birds of Prey variants (QulDun, Mchair, Norgh, Ning'tao, Ki'tang, Ch'tang, Hegh'tal, Haj), I'm baffled as to why their appearances and parts are not available to the T6 Kor and the T6 Legendary B'rel Birds of Prey.

The likely reason is due to Scale - some BoP's are small and some are larger, thus the parts cannot be mixed.

The same holds true for the three Intel Cardassian ships. They look like the nose, tail, wings and main body should all be interchangeable yet none of them are due to the ships being different sizes.

josephphlanx

Double Post

josephphlanx

We definitely need a T6 Hegh'ta/Haj. She's the only Launch Era T5 without any C-Store or Fleet Variant (shout out to the Ha'feh and Ha'nom warbirds, the only other Free-With-Level-Up T5 ships without C-Store or Fleet Versions, though they came later).

Let's take a look at our T6 BoP options:

M'Chla Refit Spec Seating: None, makes sense, it exists to give Klingon Recruits a free T6 and Withering Barrage.

Kor Spec Seating: LtC Pilot. Pretty basic.

M'Chla Spec Seating: Cmdr Pilot Lt Pilot. As a full Pilot ship it has Pilot Maneuvers.

Legendary B'rel Spec Seating: Cmdr Pilot LtC Intel

Kelvin D4x Spec Seating: Cmdr Pilot Lt Temp Op

Noticing a bit of trend with the Specialization Seats.

Let's see what we could do with our T2-5 BoPs:

Hoh'SuS The best Bird of Prey in the game isn't even Klingon. It would be another Pilot BoP but it makes the most sense to make the T6 Hoh'SuS a Klingon version of the Eagle

Hegh'ta/Haj She's listed as a Heavy Bird of Prey so give her full MW status. The Feds have the Da Vinci MW Escort so this isn't a big ask.

Ki'tang/Ch'Tang The Ki'tang and Ch'Tang could pull off Command seating, but visually are very similar to the Hegh'ta and Haj. These two make the most sense for adding as extra kitbash options for a T6 Hegh'ta. The advantage of this would be getting these skins on a T6 without Cryptic deigning to make yet more Klingon ships (not that we're going to get any of these anyway).

Norgh/Ning'tao Visually, these two strike me as great Intel candidates. Combine these with some design cues from the Qib and you'd get a very handsome ship.

QulDun/Qaw'Dun The only Specialization left is Temp Op, not a super great match and there's also the Ouroboros. I don't know, these two don't inspire me.

josephphlanx

Correction, the Ha'feh and Ha'nom do have T-5 fleet versions. More insult to the Bird of Prey family.

duncanidaho11

As addressed on Ten Forward Weekly, the "BoP family" is a distinct set of ships with unique skeletons and proportions. Linking them all together would be like trying to link the Constitution, Excelsior, Ambassador, and Galaxy classes into one ship family because they have the same general components and shape of saucer, neck, pylons, and nacelles. It's technically impossible without drastically rebuilding these ships to use the same skeleton and proportions, which would incidentally blandify the lot as they'd all need to fit the B'Rel (which would naturally take priority).

That's a no. If the KDF shipyard is to receive THAT level of attention then updating the fidelity on it's older T6 ships (ex. Ma'Tha) would be a much more impactful (and easier) task than allowing open kitbashing between unique BoP classes while homogenizing their designs.