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nswootie
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After playing Scorpion's Demise through the shut-down of the 1st 2 of the 3 beams after you're done with the away team assault inside the Borg thing, when the Unimatrix ship shows up, the fight goes from "difficult but you can make it" to "this is absolutely impossible and there is no path to success available."
Is some kind of accidental triggering of a higher difficulty in the game being triggered? Like from Normal to Insane difficulty? There is literally no possible way to continue playing the game at that point. You have made this game unplayable...literally. It's dead.
Is some kind of accidental triggering of a higher difficulty in the game being triggered? Like from Normal to Insane difficulty? There is literally no possible way to continue playing the game at that point. You have made this game unplayable...literally. It's dead.
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Breezed through those sections. It's not broken. It would be helpful to know what exactly is happening to you, but there's no sudden jump in difficulty. If you're struggling with survivability, slot Reverse Shield Polarity and Hazard Emitters.
If you're telling me that from *that* point onwards in the game, you can no longer progress unless you dive headfirst into theory-crafting and whatever else, then the game is now over for the vast majority of people. If you look at my profile you can see I started playing this game in 2012 - I'm not new to this, although I tend to come and go when there's new story to see/play. Now halfway through this new story the game just throws up a wall and says "here and no further." So...OK. 13 years later I guess Arc doesn't want people to play anymore.
...unless this is a bug, in which case please fix it.
First, what exactly is the issue with the mission? Walk us through what's going on that's triggering stuff. Then from there, have you made sure it's on the right difficulty? Have you kept up with your gearing and such?
You can always go back and replay some of the previous missions to get items for your ship and ground builds to beef it up before you head into that particular mission again. You can also pick up some basic mk xii very rare stuff for next to nothing on the exchange. Then so long as you have a basic cohesive build you're good. When I say basic cohesive build you don't need to have a build like mine that's doing 150k as a tank with full mk xv golds, I mean a build that's cohesive and supports itself and is consistent. Such as having 7 beam arrays and a torp if it's a cruiser. Gives you some good punch broadside and a torp for an extra kick in the pants.
To know for sure what's up I'll need to know what you're doing with the mission. Also sometimes as much as people don't like it, their build and how they're approaching things can actually be the problem. Playing since 2012 doesn't automatically mean you've had a basic cohesive build since 2012 either. That's not a dig at you but simply acknowledging reality. Now if you would like help and to eliminate your build as a possible issue, I'll need to see your skill point allocation as well as your setup for ground and space, which includes boff powers in space, and what you're doing for captain on ground. It could be you just needing some upgrades, and it could be the builds are perfectly fine. Right now until we know more there is no way to know for sure if it's something on your end, the game's end, or both. Luckily both can be fixed easily enough. If you would like build help you can PM photos of such if you're not comfortable with people here seeing it. Otherwise no one is going to make fun of you or anything like that. We all had to start somewhere.
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I think part of it simply has to do with the sheer number of enemies you are facing by default. This is designed to be the hardest mission in the game (for now), as it's meant to present the Mirror Borg as a true threat. Something the "regular" Borg have been missing for quite some time.
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Now, on my characters that are using various gear at Mk XII or above - mission sets and reputation gear - yet I found myself dying over and over with the Borg Vessel One of Unimatrix 7400 back at 100% health each time.
It was then that I realised it would spawn several Regeneration Probe ships, just as it would in a Red Alert. Taking them out when they spawn made things go much faster. It also helped to completely clear all the smaller enemies and various hard-points on the surface of the Unimatrix, leaving me with just Vessel One and its' spawns.
Understanding what's going on and then prioritising targets makes it go much smoother. I'm not saying it'll be a breeze - it's still going to be a challenging fight.
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Go in and take out the ground bits first...ok sure. You run in and take out a couple, have to try to retreat to heal, you blow up a couple times, and suddenly there's literally dozens of Borg vessels anywhere you go - tractors, regeneratrors, probes, whatever. And from that point forward, any time you engage at all you wind up with dozens of enemies targeting you all at once, and you die. You can't even go around the edges and try to pull out individual ships and kill them, because it's like the collective just sends everything after you once you show up. There's not the slightest chance in hell I can kill even one Regenerator before being blown up. It just spirals up and up and up and there is no possible way to survive.
To reiterate, this is all within one go-through of a single mission...it goes from "not too bad" to "no you just die" in an instant and that's that. It's like going from a level 65 battle on one side of the room to a level 100 fight on the other side.
Slow down and catch your breath dude. No one is saying you have to buy anything. The mission is doable with the free stuff you get from other missions now. If you have anything you've bought from other ships, that's just potential icing on the cake but by no means is it required.
As I said prior, if you want help I can try to help you. However first I need to know a few things. I need to know what you're doing and what the mission is doing to know if it is a bug. And be as specific as possible when you describe it because any little detail can be revealing.
Now for your build itself, you said you had mk xii purple phaser stuff on a T6 temporal battlecruiser. Offer still stands, if you want to post the build and show us what you're working with, I can offer suggestions on improving the build on whatever budget you've got. I would need to know what you have on the ship itself, your personal space traits, starship traits you're using, skill point allocation, and your boff powers you're using. Everyone has to start somewhere so there's not going to be anyone giving you grief. We've all been there. If necessary and you're on PC I can try to blitz it with you. Point being however I can't help you if you're not willing to answer a few things.
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I'm also willing to help run the mission. I'm on most evenings from around 9pm to midnight (in the UK, 2pm-5pm PDT I think...)
Send me a PM with your @handle and I'll look for you ingame.
Temporal Battlecruiser (T6):
Fore Weapons (all very rare):
Phaser Beam Array Mk XII (ACC)x2 (thrust)
Radiolytic Phaser Dual Beam Bank Mk XII (ACC) (DMG)x2
Radiolytic Phaser Dual Beam Bank Mk XII (ACC) (CrtD) (CrtH)
Phaser Beam Array Mk XII (ACC)x2 (CrtH)
Aft Weapons (all very rare):
Phaser Turret Mk XII (ACC) (CrtD) (CrtH)
Ancient Omni-Directional Beam Array (Acc) (Arc) (Dmg)
Obliviating Phaser Beam Array Mk XII (Acc) (CrtH)x2
Phaser Turret Mk XII (CrtD) (Dmg) (Thrust)
Deflector: Graviton Deflector Array Mc XII (HullCap) (ShCap) (ShdHeal) - very rare
Impulse: Combat Impulse Engines Mk XII (Full) (Spd) (Turn) - very rare
Warp: Field Stabilizing Warp Core Mk XII (Bat) (E->S) (Trans) (WCap) - very rare
Shields: Shield Array Mk XII (Cap) (Reg)x2 - very rare
Devices:
Scorpion Fighters (rare)
Heavy Phaser Satellite Turret (rare)
Advanced Battery - Shield Resilience Boost (very rare)
Engineering Consoles:
Universal Heavy Phaser Assault Platform (epic)
SIF Generator Mk XII (very rare)
Conductive RCS Accelerator Mk XII (very rare)
Ablative Hull Armor Mk XII (very rare)
Science Consoles:
Shield Emitter Amplifier Mk XII (very rare)
Nanite-Reinforced Circuitry Mk XII (very rare)
Tactical Consoles:
Phaser Relay Mk XII (very rare) x2
Directed Energy Distribution Manifold Mk XII (very rare) x2
Captain Personal Space Traits:
Accurate
Beam Training
Bulkhead Technician
Elusive
Innocuous
Photonic Capacitor
Shield Frequency Analyst
Shield Technician
Singularity Specialist
Space Skill Point Allocation:
Engineering: 11
Science: 25
Tactical: 10
BOFF Skills:
Eng 1:
Engineering Team I
Reverse Shield Polatiry I
Eng 2:
Engineering Team I
Auxilliary Power to the Structural Integrity Field I
Directed Energy Modulation II
Aceton Beam III
Tac 1:
Torpedoes: High Yield I
Beams: Fire at Will II
Tac 2:
Tactical Team I
Cannons: Scatter Volley I
Energy Weapons: Target Weapons Subsystems III
Science:
Science Team I
Transfer Shield Strength II
Can't say that it honestly made any difference. Maybe I do a little more damage before the first death trying to get to the 3rd beam, but after that the result is the same.
There's a nice Quantum Phaser Array available from the Mission "Sunrise", which also has a Universal console that will boost Phaser Damage that doesn't need a Tactical slot - you can equip it in Eng or Sci.
But give some consideration to the offers of assistance in running the mission with a teammate or two.
Forward Weapons:
Keep your beam arrays, scrap the dual banks as they're not helping you. Dual banks only have a 90 degree forward targeting arc. They're nice if you have a ship that's speedy enough to take advantage of them, but you have to build the ship around them, and that battlecruiser isn't one I would recommend for that. You'll replace the dual banks with the Quantum Phase Beam Array and the Quantum Phase Torpedo from the Sunrise mission.
Your new forward setup will be 3 beam arrays and a torp.
Aft weapons:
Swap the Ancient omni for the Trilihium omni from the Beyond The Nexus mission. This is an actual phaser omni and will be far better for you. Ancient is a nice free one, but it's not phaser which is what you're running. You can keep your obliviating beam since it's a nice one for what you have. You'll replace the turrets back here with more beam arrays.
Your new aft setup will be the Trilithium omni and 3 beam arrays.
Space Set:
For your shields, engines, and deflector I'm going to recommend you pick up 3 piece Sol Defense from the Midnight mission along with the Temporal Phase Overcharged Core from the Butterfly mission.
I realize that set is geared more towards tanks, but is one of the most potent survival sets in game. I'm recommending this set for now because first it's free, and number two it will give you the equivalent of a free neutronium worth of resistances, and also a potent mega heal as the 3 piece. I'm also recommended the Temporal core because it's a free cooldown reducer that's equivalent of a Temporal Negotiator if you're familiar with that device. Essentially you press it and it cuts your cooldowns in half. The core can be used offensively or defensively. Since you mentioned survival issues my goal here is to keep you alive then swap some of the extra survival abilities to DPS as we're able. I'm sure you would rather stay alive and whittle them down slowly vs dying constantly.
Engineering Consoles:
-Heavy Phaser Assault Platform (came with your Paladin)
-Trellium D Plating (from Ragnarok)
-Reinforced Armaments (from Beyond The Nexus)
-conductive rcs
Sci consoles:
-Temporal Disentanglement Suite (from Butterfly)
-Quantum Phase Converter (from Sunrise)
Tactical Consoles:
-Phaser Relay x4
For your consoles the reason I'm having you run this stuff is because it will pick you up more phaser damage than you have now and also complete some set bonuses. When pairing that reinforced armaments with the omni it gets you some fire cycle haste meaning your weapons fire faster. That console also gives you some EPS to regenerate your power faster. Your heavy phaser assault platform is a nice console that came with your ship and is good enough for now. Trellium D is meant to shore up your survival a bit more and will buff your damage resists and shield capacity. Plus it's free. Your conductive RCS can stay for now because it's a good stop gap for the moment. The sci consoles I had you use serve the purpose of buffing your damage and survival. The temporal console buffs your crit chance, crit severity, and shield capacity. The Quantum Phase console is there mainly to buff your phasers. Then tactical consoles sort of speak for themselves, it's free phaser boosting. The directed energy were viable but you do leave some damage on the table since they're just generic beam consoles.
Personal Space Traits:
-Accurate, Beam training, Fleet Coordinator, innocuous, singularity specialist
-photonic capacitor, Point Blank Shot (from house pegh), nanite repair matrix (from midnight), Redirected Armor Plating (Renegade's Regret)
Point of the traits is to shore up survival while increasing damage. Some of these are from missions so they're easy to get. I would encourage you to read over what they do as it would take awhile to explain all of them here.
Space Point Allocation:
For this portion I needed to see the skill tree itself and how you had spent the points. This was so I could determine if you needed a respec or not. However in this instance your totals on the distribution gave me that answer without having to see it. For the skills I list below I'm going to list them by tier such as: Lt 1 2 1 2 3 0. This would mean going from left to right you distribute the points as the numbers show. If you see something such as 2R this notes it's one of those triangular setups in the skill tree and you will be putting 2 points in it while taking the choice on the right for the R. Same concept for if it was a 2L. If it's a triangular setup and you see a 3 it means take all 3 skills and similarly a 1 means only take that first choice.
Lt: 1 2 1 2 3 0
Lt Cmdr: 2L 2 2L 2L 2 2
Cmdr: 3 0 0 2 3 3
Captain: 1 1 0 3 3 0
Admiral: 1 2 1 0 0 2
Your new totals would be Eng 14, sci 13, tac 19, assuming I've counted it up right.
Now this skill point allocation is meant to boost your overall damage, while again shoring up survival. This will give you free damage resistances, cooldown reduction that benefits offensive and defensive skills. Some people may disagree with this setup but this is what I recommend to all people generally to start them out and they can change it later if they want.
For the little green globe unlocks at the bottom, most of them will be personal preference however there are a few I recommend you take. Battery Expertise, Threat Control, Crit Chance Energy. All others are personal preferences.
This will also reset your ground skills. For ground take the top left and bottom right skill trees. For the ground global unlocks take the defensive choices. The rest are personal preferences. For ground traits, similarly I would recommend going for kit performance as much as possible and then buffing your chosen weapon type such as rifles, assault weapons or so on. We can do a ground build too if need be.
Starship Traits:
-Retaliation (came with your ship)
-The Best Defense (from House Pegh)
For starship traits I'm only listing these 2 because I don't know what ships you have access to and what other traits you have available. If you have a list of ships you want to provide I can make recommendations based off that. For now just fill the remaining slots with whatever you have.
Boff powers:
Lt Cmd Tac: tac team 1, attack pattern beta 1, FAW 3
Lt Tac: kemocite 1, torpedo spread 2
Cmdr Eng/temp ops: emergency to engines 1, aux to SIF 1, emergency to weapons 3, recursive shearing 3
Lt Sci: sci team, hazard emitters
Lt universal: eng team 1, reverse polarity 1
For the boff powers if you don't have a kemocite or that's out of your price range, I can send you one on PC or we can swap that to another power. Distributed targeting is another option I've luck with if I need a filler. Or if need be we can do a torp spread 1 and Focused Assault 1. Depends on what your situation with resources looks like.
Now the reason I set your boff powers like this is two fold again, survival and knockdown power. The cannon items you had weren't helping you at all and many of the powers you had weren't synergizing well. You had some decent selections for a number of them, but it could be better. This will give you some upfront damage negation and some heals that you didn't have before. It also gives you some potent damage boosting as well and debuff cleansing. If you can't stop the damage, the best bet is to fortify as much as possible then repair the rest.
Piloting:
When you engage your targets you'll be fighting in a broadside style letting your beams do the work of shredding foes and then finishing them off with a torp spread. The reason you wanted spread is because it's an AOE that hits multiple targets with multiple torps. High yield is nice but wasn't giving you much here. Your ship is a bit quicker than most cruisers but is still largely a cruiser. You don't have the speed to take advantage of dual banks. Thus we play to the advantages of the ship and have you broadside. May not be the most fun way to play but I'm sure you would prefer slightly more boring and clearing content vs not clearing at all. As you acquire more ships and so on we can do a new build down the road.
The opening combo when engaging will be, Emergency to weapons, tac team, Beta, FAW, Spread, Kemocite/other tac power, and then follow into Aux to SIF which you want to keep up as much as possible. You'll also want to get your recursive shearing onto the targets as well and bulldoze said target with your alpha strike. It will be a little weird until you get used to it. Supplement that combo by swapping powers such as emergency to engines and others such as reverse polarity as needed.
Weapons setup to shoot for:
Now as I said I'm going to give you this alternative setup because I don't know what you have access to now rep wise. If you can go for this build now, then do it. If not you have goals.
For your weapons and consoles. Eventually once you unlock it from the Discovery Rep, replace the Quantum Phase Torp with the Dark Matter Torp as it's a far heavier hitter. You'll also replace the Quantum Phase Beam with the Terran Task Force Phaser. For your consoles you'll replace one of you tactical consoles with the Lorca console from Discovery Rep. This will ultimately give you some heavier hitting weapons and a nice set bonus for extra knockdown power. You'll also replace the Quantum Phase Console with the Assimilated Module from Omega reputation. That will net you extra chance and severity.
Final notes:
Overall the goal of the build here is to shore up your survival and damage. For now I slanted it more towards survival but we can tilt it back towards DPS as needed or desired. I don't like to assume what your resources look like anymore than I have to so all of this can be done for free or largely free. If as you gain more resources you want to change stuff we can.
For now let's try this build and see how it does. It's my belief this isn't a bug based on currently available info. However if we make the changes and there are still issues, we will revisit and go from there. If it's not a bug either myself or one of the other mods will move this thread and close it out since we're good. Hopefully this gets you sorted. One way or another we'll get you sorted.
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I guess what I'm really sort of confused about is just the notion that...well, the game changed so suddenly. As noted I'm an on-again/off-again player for the last couple years anyway - just poke my head in to experience new primary storylines when they come up. I've got 5 characters at level 65 and another at level 50 - and at no point until now did I ever have to worry about "being serious."
What I mean is...every once in a while you get a new weapon, a new ship, a new BOFF...whatever. Slot it in, play on. There was no need to worry about "is this the right configuration" or "have I leveled up the right BOFF skills" etc. Seemed like you could damn-near faceroll your way through everything without having to spend too much time on optimization. Which...was one of the reasons why I like STO and keep coming back to it.
Seems like that has come to an end though right now. I recognize that folks that are as deep into the game as have been offering to help here may not feel too bad for the random button-masher who suddenly has to pay attention to what he's doing. But it just feels like the flavor of the game just got turned on it's head.
I haven't attempted the Scorpion thing on any of my other 65s yet...although I'm confident I'd run into the same issues. Just seems...strange.
99% of the game: Le me one-tapping everything
Scorpion's Abyss: Le game saying "Okay, now it's MY turn!"
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1: have you managed to clear the mission finally?
2: if not have you tried making changes as outlined above?
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I do truly appreciate the assistance but I can't say I'm going to try again. Went back to a different game.
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