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corerunner#1772 corerunner Member Posts: 119 Arc User
I am wondering why is there a lack of Individual T6 ships for non federation toons. looking for a starter T6 but all of the ships are in Bundles.
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    davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,541 Arc User
    Do you mean Federation member races? KDF, Romulan, Dominion? Or non-faction like Tholian?
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    corerunner#1772 corerunner Member Posts: 119 Arc User
    KDF, Romulan, Dominion and unaligned. Federation seems to be the only faction with individual T6 ships.
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    rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,129 Community Moderator
    The primary faction ships will be the biggest sellers. Federation, Klingon, Romulan, and Dominion. They do have Allied ships in the C-Store, such as Caitian ships, Tellarite ship, and Andorian ships (fed side), but for the most part its the overall faction ships that would be in the C-Store. And you can get ships like the Andorian and Tellarite ships without getting the full bundle.

    As for unaligned ships, they tend to be lockbox or event.
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    corerunner#1772 corerunner Member Posts: 119 Arc User
    edited September 2022
    Well there is a lack of individual Romulan, Klingon and Dominion ships for main factions. And with the Event unlock having a 2 T6 coupon option I find it odd that Romulan, Klingon and Dominion factions are all bundle ships.
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    rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,129 Community Moderator
    They're not pure bundle where you MUST buy the bundle. You can get them individually.
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    davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,541 Arc User
    edited September 2022
    Just because there is a bundle does not mean you can only buy the bundle. There are some exceptions like Legendary Bundles and Mudd's Market choice packs.

    For example the KDF 3 Lethean Pilot Escorts are in a bundle, or buy just 1. Your choice.

    What ship(s) are you looking for? The full list is here: https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Playable_starship
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    proteus#8097 proteus Member Posts: 221 Arc User
    I am wondering why is there a lack of Individual T6 ships for non federation toons. looking for a starter T6 but all of the ships are in Bundles.

    As a starter ship you can't really go wrong with any one from the Arbiter(Fed)/Kurak(KDF)/Morrigu(ROM) bundle. They're all good ships and give you the excellent Emergency Weapon Cycle trait once the ship mastery is done. More cost effective to buy the bundle if you think you'll want all three at some point, but you can get the non-Fed ships on their own if you like. And that's the case with many of the bundle ships.
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    lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,840 Arc User
    I am wondering why is there a lack of Individual T6 ships for non federation toons. looking for a starter T6 but all of the ships are in Bundles.

    Because all they like/care about is Starfleet...even the "Year of the Klingon" was lack luster and did very little besides graphical updates. They allowed Romulan/Dominion characters to fly allied ships and soon after everyone to fly ships so they had a excuse not to have to make more of their ships.

    The last Romulan ship that wasn't gamble or legendary is almost 2 years old

    Honestly...don't expect to ever see a new Kling/Rom/Dom ship unless it's featured in a new series...that's really the only hope, and even then it will likely be a gamble box ship
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    evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Because all they like/care about is Starfleet.

    It's not that they only like or care about Starfleet, Starfleet ships simply sell much better so it makes more business sense to focus on them.
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    annemarie30annemarie30 Member Posts: 2,622 Arc User
    edited September 2022
    rattler2 wrote: »
    They're not pure bundle where you MUST buy the bundle. You can get them individually.

    except legendaries.
    I wonder how hard they have tried to get designs from other games. the starfleet command games all were done by now defunct companies. I cannot believe that whomever owns the rights would not mind discussing a windfall after what, 25 years?
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    baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 10,430 Community Moderator
    rattler2 wrote: »
    They're not pure bundle where you MUST buy the bundle. You can get them individually.

    except legendaries.
    I wonder how hard they have tried to get designs from other games. the starfleet command games all were done by now defunct companies. I cannot believe that whomever owns the rights would not mind discussing a windfall after what, 25 years?

    Thomas has already asked Paramount about using ships from older Star Trek games as long as they rebuild the assets in STO themselves. Paramount said yes. At least one such ship is already in development.
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    leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,368 Arc User
    Well there is a lack of individual Romulan, Klingon and Dominion ships for main factions. And with the Event unlock having a 2 T6 coupon option I find it odd that Romulan, Klingon and Dominion factions are all bundle ships.

    KDF and ROMS have a TON of T6 ships, there is no 'lack of', they've over 30-ish each. Only Jem'hadar have a small amount of ships, about a dozen or so. There is no Dominion faction :lol:
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    phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 5,612 Arc User
    edited September 2022
    leemwatson wrote: »
    Well there is a lack of individual Romulan, Klingon and Dominion ships for main factions. And with the Event unlock having a 2 T6 coupon option I find it odd that Romulan, Klingon and Dominion factions are all bundle ships.

    KDF and ROMS have a TON of T6 ships, there is no 'lack of', they've over 30-ish each. Only Jem'hadar have a small amount of ships, about a dozen or so. There is no Dominion faction :lol:

    While technically there is no Dominion faction as such since it is only a single race unlock, one short and sketchy mission masquerading as a tutorial, and about a dozen ships, but people still sometimes call it the Dominion faction since the ships and only playable units from it are from the Dominion.

    Technically it should be called something like "Odo's Expeditionary Force Subfaction", and ideally would be an actual subfaction (similar to the way DSC and AoY are subfactions of the Federation) of a proper Romulan-like Dominion faction, but what is there is what is there and is not likely to change.

    Anyway, it would be nice if they would make a few new c-store Romulan ships with singularity cores.
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    annemarie30annemarie30 Member Posts: 2,622 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    They're not pure bundle where you MUST buy the bundle. You can get them individually.

    except legendaries.
    I wonder how hard they have tried to get designs from other games. the starfleet command games all were done by now defunct companies. I cannot believe that whomever owns the rights would not mind discussing a windfall after what, 25 years?

    Thomas has already asked Paramount about using ships from older Star Trek games as long as they rebuild the assets in STO themselves. Paramount said yes. At least one such ship is already in development.

    oh oh oh oh oh..... then PLEASE give us the Firehawk
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    corerunner#1772 corerunner Member Posts: 119 Arc User
    I would love the Nova or Winged Defender. Give the Romulans an independent Heavy cruiser with torpedo boat capabilities or give the Romulans a swing wing escort type
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    rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,129 Community Moderator
    Based on the limited evidence, I suspect our first contribution from another game is going to be the USS Typhon from Star Trek Invasion. While a Federation carrier, it would fit the "Invading" line that Thomas used.

    I'm hopeful that we'll have access to ships up to Star Trek Legacy though, but I'll be content with those from the Interplay and Activision eras of Trek games. The Activision era had some pretty sweet TNG ships, especially in the Armada games. And of course we have the oddball in the form of Dominion Wars, which could see some new Cardassian and Dominion ships as well like the Norin, Tonga, and Hutet. Don't really remember the names of the Dominion ships that were unique to that game...
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    corerunner#1772 corerunner Member Posts: 119 Arc User
    > @rattler2 said:
    > Based on the limited evidence, I suspect our first contribution from another game is going to be the USS Typhon from Star Trek Invasion. While a Federation carrier, it would fit the "Invading" line that Thomas used.
    >
    > I'm hopeful that we'll have access to ships up to Star Trek Legacy though, but I'll be content with those from the Interplay and Activision eras of Trek games. The Activision era had some pretty sweet TNG ships, especially in the Armada games. And of course we have the oddball in the form of Dominion Wars, which could see some new Cardassian and Dominion ships as well like the Norin, Tonga, and Hutet. Don't really remember the names of the Dominion ships that were unique to that game...

    The Nova and Winged Defender are FASA era though. It's just Legacy used them.
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    corerunner#1772 corerunner Member Posts: 119 Arc User
    Though speaking of the Typhoon will it be a Jupiter class variant or it's own separate ship stat wise?
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    tom61stotom61sto Member Posts: 3,648 Arc User
    "Don't break bundles" is old advice, and doesn't really apply nowadays with cross-faction flying.

    It was well worthwhile to get say, Emergency Weapon Cycle, on all factions and the only way back then was to get the already mentioned Arbiter, Kurak and Morrigu for each faction, which would make it cost an extra $30 in effect if you didn't buy the bundle all at once. However, now, you can just grab whichever of those three you like, and at most you have to bring a KDF to level 65 to unlock cross-faction flying and you can get the ship, and therefore trait, on any toon. Plus, free is free, and ship tokens didn't exist at all when the advice first came out.
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    lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,840 Arc User
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Because all they like/care about is Starfleet.

    It's not that they only like or care about Starfleet, Starfleet ships simply sell much better so it makes more business sense to focus on them.

    Except it is...or at least some of the more prominent devs, just look at how much of his own free time Thomas puts into updating Starfleet ships...when is the last time he made a post about updating a Klingon or Romulan ship model/skin on his free time?
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    rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,129 Community Moderator
    The Nova and Winged Defender are FASA era though. It's just Legacy used them.

    The Winged Defender has appeared in multiple games, including Armada 2.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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    legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,282 Arc User
    > @rattler2 said:
    > Based on the limited evidence, I suspect our first contribution from another game is going to be the USS Typhon from Star Trek Invasion. While a Federation carrier, it would fit the "Invading" line that Thomas used.
    >
    > I'm hopeful that we'll have access to ships up to Star Trek Legacy though, but I'll be content with those from the Interplay and Activision eras of Trek games. The Activision era had some pretty sweet TNG ships, especially in the Armada games. And of course we have the oddball in the form of Dominion Wars, which could see some new Cardassian and Dominion ships as well like the Norin, Tonga, and Hutet. Don't really remember the names of the Dominion ships that were unique to that game...

    The Nova and Winged Defender are FASA era though. It's just Legacy used them.

    I don't know which Nova you're referring to, because the only one I know of is the Federation version and that's very much not FASA - and the Winged Defender appeared in A2 as well as Legacy, though it was called the Draconarius class there.​​
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    corerunner#1772 corerunner Member Posts: 119 Arc User
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    this Nova class from Fasa the Romulan Excelsior.
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    qultuqqultuq Member Posts: 989 Arc User
    > @lianthelia said:
    > Because all they like/care about is Starfleet...even the "Year of the Klingon" was lack luster and did very little besides graphical updates. They allowed Romulan/Dominion characters to fly allied ships and soon after everyone to fly ships so they had a excuse not to have to make more of their ships.
    >
    > The last Romulan ship that wasn't gamble or legendary is almost 2 years old
    >
    > Honestly...don't expect to ever see a new Kling/Rom/Dom ship unless it's featured in a new series...that's really the only hope, and even then it will likely be a gamble box ship

    At least Romulans get lockbox ships too. KDF and Dominion only got 1 legendary ship each since the cross-faction carrier pack. I guess KDF also got 2 ships in the 11th anniversary bundle. But that is generally considered the worst bundle ever…so should it really count?
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    lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,840 Arc User
    qultuq wrote: »
    > @lianthelia said:
    > Because all they like/care about is Starfleet...even the "Year of the Klingon" was lack luster and did very little besides graphical updates. They allowed Romulan/Dominion characters to fly allied ships and soon after everyone to fly ships so they had a excuse not to have to make more of their ships.
    >
    > The last Romulan ship that wasn't gamble or legendary is almost 2 years old
    >
    > Honestly...don't expect to ever see a new Kling/Rom/Dom ship unless it's featured in a new series...that's really the only hope, and even then it will likely be a gamble box ship

    At least Romulans get lockbox ships too. KDF and Dominion only got 1 legendary ship each since the cross-faction carrier pack. I guess KDF also got 2 ships in the 11th anniversary bundle. But that is generally considered the worst bundle ever…so should it really count?

    Well to be honest the KDF did get a bunch of Discovery ships, and I'm sure the devs will do at least a legendary Negh'var some day...hopefully a legendary Bortasqu since Roms and Feds have legendary versions of their flagships
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    qultuqqultuq Member Posts: 989 Arc User
    edited September 2022
    > @lianthelia said:
    > Well to be honest the KDF did get a bunch of Discovery ships, and I'm sure the devs will do at least a legendary Negh'var some day...hopefully a legendary Bortasqu since Roms and Feds have legendary versions of their flagships

    That is an important point. There were no discovery Romulan ships, and the Picard ships went to lockboxes while the Discovery KDF ships are mostly in the C-store.
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    inferiorityinferiority Member Posts: 4,113 Arc User
    qultuq wrote: »
    There were no discovery Romulan ships, and the Picard ships went to lockboxes...
    If they add the two SNW Romulan ships to the game, I'll wager they both end up in a lockbox!
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