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Changes to Tier 5 Reputation Dilithium
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The Dilithium Ore given as part of the mission rewards associated with reaching Tier 5 in any Reputation have been replaced with Reputation Dilithium Vouchers. This reward has always been intended to be used to purchase Reputation Equipment, which may still be done using these Vouchers, which also do not require Refinement before use.
This change will take effect tomorrow on PC, and next Tuesday on Console.
So what happens when I reach Tier 5 of a Reputation now?
You will receive the same amount of dilithium as you had received in the past, but now in the form of Reputation Dilithium Vouchers. These vouchers can be spent to purchase Reputation Equipment.
Can I use these Reputation Dilithium Vouchers on any Reputation?
Yes. Vouchers unlocked from reaching Tier 5 on any Reputation can be used to purchase Reputation Equipment from any Reputation.
Why is this change being made?
As mentioned above, this Dilithium was always meant to be used to obtain Reputation Equipment. At the time, the designers believed players would use it exclusively for that, which may have been shortsighted. Switching this may have an effect on the Dilithium Economy. It's one of the many changes we're hoping to enact over the coming months.
Can you tell us about any of the other changes?
Not at this time. The other changes are either still in the testing phase or the design phase, and not yet ready for public consumption.
This change will take effect tomorrow on PC, and next Tuesday on Console.
So what happens when I reach Tier 5 of a Reputation now?
You will receive the same amount of dilithium as you had received in the past, but now in the form of Reputation Dilithium Vouchers. These vouchers can be spent to purchase Reputation Equipment.
Can I use these Reputation Dilithium Vouchers on any Reputation?
Yes. Vouchers unlocked from reaching Tier 5 on any Reputation can be used to purchase Reputation Equipment from any Reputation.
Why is this change being made?
As mentioned above, this Dilithium was always meant to be used to obtain Reputation Equipment. At the time, the designers believed players would use it exclusively for that, which may have been shortsighted. Switching this may have an effect on the Dilithium Economy. It's one of the many changes we're hoping to enact over the coming months.
Can you tell us about any of the other changes?
Not at this time. The other changes are either still in the testing phase or the design phase, and not yet ready for public consumption.
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Meanwhile they could have partially solved this Dilithium surplus issue quite easily by introducing more "space barbie for Dilithium" like they did for the Vanity Shields. This would have impacted all players the same way. I do not understand why nobody at Cryptic believes there is a huge market for weapon vanity options.
*which could be easily fixed by locking almost all Recruit rewards (mainly those giving Dilithium / reputation marks) behind a Level 65 + 20 hours played requirement, or change the Dil refine per toon to per account and raise the cap a bit.
Sounds like my dilithium is going to become worthless.
I'm already maxed out on reputations and I already have the equipment that I want. This is why I hate live service games. I tolerate it with STO but this is baffling since it's probably going to hurt online population.
I kind of feel like if there going this route they may well just start working on STO 2.
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To answer this question there are two ways to buy equipment. You can purchase it from that reputations individual store, or you can utilize it for projects within the reputation itself. An example being if one wished to purchase an Assimilated Module from the Omega reputation. You need to have the appropriate amount of omega marks, neural processors, EC, and dilithium. The reputation only vouchers can be used in place of the dilithium requirement allowing you to purchase your Assimilated Module without having to use actual refined dilithium to do so.
Another popular example would be folks looking to invest in the Lorka's set from the Discovery reputation. Assuming a person wanted to run all 3 pieces, they can save their reputation dilithium and purchase said equipment without ever having to touch their refined dilithium.
Raising the dilithium cap is an automatic no go that you don't want happening. All you're doing at that point is further increasing the flood of excess dilithium we have now. You think dilithium inflation is bad now, you haven't see anything yet if that were to happen. Problem also isn't the recruitment rewards either. Problem is not enough downward pull on the dilithium exchange to remove excess supply.
Consider the dilithium exchange much like a bathtub. In order to take a good bath you need the water to be at a certain level to submerse yourself but without overflowing the tub. In order to maintain that healthy level, there needs to be enough water coming in to fill the tub, but also enough drainage to maintain that level once it's reached. Too much drainage and there's not enough water, too little drainage and you flood the bathroom. Problem right now is that the drain is completely plugged up and the water has not only overflowed the tub, but has flooded the rest of the house at this point. Incoming water flow isn't the issue as there's more ways to get water into the tub. Problem is the drain is stopped up and not pulling excess water out.
That dilithium cap of 8k per toon per day is part of why it took so long for the exchange to get into the state it is now. If the cap were any higher it would've overflowed long ago. Also they don't want to lower the cap either because that would be a straight slap in the face to players.
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Now, i'm not going to spend more money to keep leveling that fleet and if the dilex drops below that ridiculous cap i'm just gonna stop. And if i stop building the fleet, i have no incentive to keep playing the game. Me not playing the game means there is no reason to spend money to buy zen.
Quit the bs and remove the dilex cap. The people complaining about the "not working" dilex are most probably the same people not spending a cent but expect to be able to instantly buy the new c-store/lockbox/promo stuff when it comes out.
Time and time again i see some players braging about owning half or more of the c-store items but have never spend any money apart from maybe a LTS. For me on the other hand it's shorter to count the items i have instead of what i dont have. Even after spending thousends of dollars over the years.
Dont get me wrong, i'm not against the dilex and the ability to get c-store items "for free". But no being able to get everything or get stuff instantly should be the norm, not the exception. If people want stuff instantly they should help keeping the game running by buying zen with money.
I'll watch what happens but if it gets more expensive for me to enjoy the game as i do now i just quit.
Edit:
How about you, Cryptic, take the bullet and sell newly created zen for, let's say, 30% over the delex rate? Then people still can instantly get zen but for a extra price? Or like i said, remove that silly cap and while you're at it exclude zen bought through the exchange from buying dil again to eliminate the specualtion on the prices like we had before we hit the cap.
Plus the whole reasoning from people on your twitter post that they use it to buy their upgrades on new characters makes sense to me too. I personally am just too impatient to wait so long to upgrade my gear. I rather buy the dil for it and get some reimbursement when i hit t5 rep, then dump it into fleet projects or even get and upgrade a second/third equipment set for that character. There are only few rep items still worth getting, so hundreds of thousands of rep dil vouchers are useless TRIBBLE.
This is really going to turn off a lot of causal players who don't have the time to grind out dilithium for hours on end. In fact I think this will be a game breaker for me, I just don't have enough time to grind anymore as real life is intruding more and more. The only Dil I could get was the T5 Rep Dil and now that won't be happening, so it makes playing kinda pointless any more as I won't be able to make enough dil to be of any use.
The rep item restrictions make this move a silly idea, and it will definitely lose you a lot of casual players. Won't affect the hard core ones of course. I guess I've been given a reason to stop playing, the excuse I've been looking for I suppose, first you get rid of the ARC app on Xbox so we can't claim our account items anymore, and now make it 10 times harder for casual players to accumulate enough dil to get, well, anything.
This is not a well thought out move, but you'll do what you want to do anyway and to hell with all the players that have paid a lot of money to play, myself included, but no longer have the time to play hours and hours each day. This is a real kick in the teeth for all my support and money and time.
As a final note this will KILL off Fleet progression new fleets and even existing fleets are going to really struggle now to get players to donate dil donations to fleet projects, I know I won't be donating anymore and since fleet donations are already very low for most I bet this will halt fleet progression fully.
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Not everyone's going to like it, as we can see in some of the above replies, but makes perfect sense to do this.
However, a simple but big change like this really should be announced in a blog post on the main site.
I'm a pretty casual player, and don't even play long enough to get 4k per day on one character.
My entire account has probably less than 500k across 13 characters right now, and I haven't cashed in for Zen since the exchange hit 500.
If you're going to split up resources, at least give us a shared "reputation/fleet" voucher pool, and allow us to buy stuff from said stores with the appropriate vouchers. Klingon Admiralty is dead to me, since I need actual dilithium to purchase stuff from fleet stores. I haven't touched it since the Admiralty nerf. Ferengi is still at least useful.
I already have rep vouchers from recruitment events I haven't spent, but I wouldn't mind spending it on unlocking the extra trait slots on those characters.
What even is the point of dilithium anymore? Might as well remove it to improve the game, it's clearly too broken to fix.
It's clear the devs want dilithium to go away, as that means people have to buy more zen.
For the record, I've purchased a lot of stuff in this game, and spend about $120/yr on this game (I know, I'm a minnow).
Mostly because I started having to, since event dilithium was nerfed a few years back, and that was my primary source.
I feel like I'm being further punished for casual play, even though I'm not a dil farmer.
Thanks for making your thoughts on us players clear.
EDIT: If you made event buyouts require dilithium, you'd clear out the farmers hoarding, and still get Zen sales from casuals that can't get enough dilithium through normal play.
But that actually makes sense to the game's economy, and not necessarily to Cryptic's bean counters, so that's DOA.
Let's see what this will impact. Character slot sales? Seeya. New players? Bye. F2P players? Outta here, though oldies will likely have tons anyway.
Now I know what the intent is here, give money pls. It was never intended for reps at all, like all F2P games you gradually squeeze the ways to get currency outside of spending real money.
Hope the bean counters are happy, I can guarantee an exodus especially if you squeeze dil sources more and more.
I'll give you a clue on how to solve the dil 'problem'. Give us more ways to spend it by taking weapon types out of the lockboxes and putting them in the dil store. Put more things in phoenix boxes with REASONABLE odds at acquisition.
That would require effort of course......enjoy the game while it lasts guys, the endgame is fast approaching.
Oh and what do we upgrade our rep gear with exactly? One item takes 7 or 8 phoenix upgrades to XV never mind guilding it, which is about 36 on average.
I bought my PS5 almost exclusively to play STO. I dont really play anything else. Looks like it may be time to cut my losses...
I hope you know that I am not the only player who feels this way and has been supporting you. Good luck with your new loss of financial support.
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P.S. Giving us just 24 hrs notice on a change like this is a d#$k move. Many chars already spent tons of Dilithium on Reputation items before hitting level 5.
New players are the life-blood for the long term health of any live service game, but STO seems determined in recent years to not only make it increasingly expensive for them to try and catch up to older players but also finding new ways to restrict their means to do so, without of course spending real money.
I think it has reached a point now where I would not recommend that someone try this game out as a new F2P player, the economics of the game are just too heavily weighted now towards pushing you to spend real money.
I suppose it does save me time, as I won't need nearly as much grinding for a targeted build on a new character. Thanks to being able to just hit the Reputation tiers I need for traits and gear, and then not having to wade through the remainder for the now un-needed payouts.
Day late, dollar short of a change IMO in the grand scheme of things for the Dil market.