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SO since every ship that can equip dual cannons can have battle cloak now...
lianthelia
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I think it's time we talk about how Romulan ships can be buffed, they have multiple penalties so they can have battle cloak, this was back before any Fed or lock box ships had battle cloak and only mostly BoPs had battlecloak
But now that it's so widely available I think it's time Romulan ships get buffed
But now that it's so widely available I think it's time Romulan ships get buffed
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Sorry, but the cost to using the 2 consoles and Quads to get Battle Cloak is a hit, not a benefit.
Maybe more DOFFs that boost singularity powers in one way or another is one possibility. And not have them locked behind a paywall.
On Console, giving singularity powers a auto-trigger option would be really helpful!
Rather than buff Romulan ships I would prefer if they just bumped up regular cloaks to battle cloaks. I barely use cloak basic cloaks and only use with rom boffs and attack pattern theta. Besides waiting for red alert to end is for chumps.
> I am running the three piece set on a Vorcha for my new Klingon recruit. I wish I could use a disrupter quad cannon rather than the phaser. But it still is pretty cool.
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> Rather than buff Romulan ships I would prefer if they just bumped up regular cloaks to battle cloaks. I barely use cloak basic cloaks and only use with rom boffs and attack pattern theta. Besides waiting for red alert to end is for chumps.
So you would like Romulan ships to become even more obsolete? Turning all basic cloaks into battle cloaks would well and truly eliminate the only unique advantage of Romulan ships.
My argument is that basic cloak is pretty worthless in the game. You have to be out of combat. You can only really use it once. And as you know there are tons of random things that break the cloak anyway. The mechanic was never really well thought out—and even more poorly executed.
If there is no reasons to fly a warbird, there are no better reasons to fly a bop or a raptor anymore either.
I think the intent back when Romulans was introduced was that while Klingon BoPs have battle cloak, ALL Romulan ships have it.
> Romulans get a full SRO crew without needing the embassy, for free through recruitment missions.
This has nothing to do with ship mechanics, so I dont see the relevance.
> I enjoy romulan ships over all, they're fun and in many ways unique (for example the scimitar has a differant BOFF layout from the Bortusqu and oddeessy classes. having commander tactical seating) I'd certainly welcome a buff. that said I think I'd like to see a cryptic turn their attention to romulans as a whole and do some tweeks to the faction's apperances yadda yadda ya much like they did recently with Klingons
Unlikely. Cryptic has all but abandoned non Fed characters.
On top of that, they already did a Romulan revamp a few years ago (streamlining and VO work on Romulan missions mostly) so they probably consider them still reasonably up-to-date. Some new Romulan-centered missions that everyone can do (like what they did for the Klingons for YotK) would be great though, along with some new singularity-cored Romulan ships (and I still think the Jarok would have been better as a singularity core ship), especially more ring-drive types like the Galas, Surhuelh, and Taenen classes.
More Romulan ships is unlikely.
Singularity skills perhaps are a bit dated not sure they are worth -40 power... but the ships themselves are in general +1s. Romualns also get more then one warbird with an enhanced battle cloak.
I have found the Romulan ships to be some of the best in the game... more hull, more hardpoints, 3 very good enhanced BC ships. The only cloaking Romulan ships that are iffy are the science ships imo with those the -40 power is more a hindrance.
All the Romulan legendary ships have been top tier, I'm not sure we need any buffs to the mechanics. I do hope we get a couple more Romulan leg ships though. A legendary T'varo and Fheat would be nice.
Sure we can battle cloak any ship now... as long as it runs cannons, and your willing to be stuck with phasers, and you are running the quad, and using the other wise useless cloak console. The warhead is a great console, its about the only part of the 3 pc that isn't a draw back. So while its fun that we can battle cloak ships like the Maquis raider and the like now... I'm not sure that diminishes ships like the T'liss, T'varo, Fheat, or Shim.
Which battle cloaking KDF ships are we even talking about though. The KDF has a surprisingly small selection of battle cloaking ships.
The Brel raider is the only KDF ship with a enhanced cloak... Roms get 3, and they have more hard points far more hull an extra boff station ect. As good as the new Leg brel is its hard to say its any better then any of the 3 romulan EBC ships. The D4X is an interesting ship but its still locked behind a gamble box or a mudd pack.
With KDF ships all the raptors and all the older battle cruisers are standard cloak ships. The battle cruisers with battle cloak are again all Lockbox, promo or legendary ships. And hey apparently every lockbox ship and legendary no matter faction are getting BCs now. Its hard to say ships like the D7 or Gorn are all that special when we have fed lockbox ships like the mars or the janeway disco ship with fed battle cloaks.
Your not wrong on phasers being perhaps the best geared damage type. I was just pointing out its not like its battle cloaks for all cause we can put a cloak console on anything now. There are restrictions... and some serious draw backs which we both agree on. Gotta run cannons, gotta run phaser, gotta slot 1 useless console and one middling (for pve anyway), gotta use a Quad that eats engine power. I admit I have had some fun messing around putting a cloak on some old heavy raiders and the like... but yes it hardly makes them = to the better proper battle cloaking and enhanced cloaking ships.
We already got a Legendary T'Varo with the Legendary Light Intel Warbird. It comes with the T'liss The T'Varo and Malem skins.
Your right I never paid any attention to the skins. Well that actually sucks. Completely different ships.
I definatly agree a romulan centered mission would be nice, it'd be nice if they could give us a romulan plasma-disruptor omni beam sometime
Well as someone identifies BELOW your first post, Romulans do get a boost because they don't require two consoles just to get Battle Cloak on several Ships; though it's also perhaps true for Klingons. Still Fed & Klingons need to get the EXPENSIVE Very Rare Romulans that don't have the SRO trait at Fleet Embassy, just to get the 15% decloak bonus for 10 seconds.
And since most Romulan's have a full set of Romulans with Superior Subterfudge & Superior Romulan Operative they likely get the largest decloak bonus too. Realized the Fleet Embassy Very Rare Eng, Sci, or Tac Romulan Bridge Officers that have Superior Subterfudge don't have SRO.
So I also agree that Romulans still have a CLEAR advantage for sure!
PS: @vetteguy904
NOTE: the Stealth Fighter SET is not longer limited by Ship Class, that changed 2+ weeks ago or so.
https://sto.fandom.com/wiki/Stealth_Fighter_Set_(Defiant)#Console_-_Universal_-_Quantum_Warhead_Module
Here's me using it on the Lexington in fact.
So Romulan's still have the largest possible bonus; then followed by Klingons who also have Battle Cloak on some Ships. Yet Klingons won't require the 2 piece set, unless the ship doesn't have Battle Cloak. So Romulan's are still quite GIFTED, with Klingons Faction being next in line; thirdly followed by Federation Captains / Species. So Romulans have more flexibility on which consoles to use, and also the largest gains to receive; this closes the gap a bit, yet doesn't leave it quite so wide as before.
So Cryptic always does a FINE job ensuring older advantages still remain, even when they make changes! They are very fair, as they often well think things through.
Only one exception was ever made, and it was for the Defiant only.
We saw a future in the show where the Feds and KDF was a war... and the feds where cloaking galaxy class ships.
In the game the KDF and Feds had a war... I think its a safe assumption for RP purposes that its null and void. Not to mention the Romulans aren't really in any position to be all that upset about it.
The treaty was with the Romulan Empire, which is effectively defunct. Treaties with no longer extent polities are not binding.
This.
The Treaty of Algeron was with the Romulan Star Empire, which even if some fragment of it remains, cannot enforce it anyways. The Star Empire is a defunct, pretty much non existant power now, replaced by the Romulan Republic. And the Treaty of Algeron was not inherited by the Republic.
Trying to say the Federation must abide by a treaty with the Star Empire is akin to saying the United States must abide by a treaty with the Soviet Union today, despite the fact the Soviet Union does not exist and has not existed since the early 90s.
Anyways... Being able to equip a cloaking device on any ship isn't really lore breaking anyways as we do have two instances of ships not designed to use a cloak using a cloak. In TOS the Enterprise stole a Romulan cloaking device and successfully installed and used it. In TNG the Enterprise-D was able to install the prototype Phase Cloak from the Pegasus and used it. Both ships were not designed to use cloaking devices, yet were able to use them just fine.
Except the US did continue Soviet era treaties, like the ABM treaty, with post Soviet states. There is no reason the UFP could not continue the treaty with both the remains of the RSE and the Romulan Republic. That they can't enforce it may be true but that is pure power politics which the principles of the UFP really isn't supposed to be about.