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I would like to propose 2 things.
1) Lifetime Subscription available via the C-Store for about 25,000 Zen say.
2) A Terran Empire (Mirror Universe) Character creation options and new apt new startig missions.
Perhaps in developing the terran rift device our ship was pulled into this universe and likewise our couterpart drawn into the mirror universe. Perhaps when we next see those native to this universe in the Shadows Advance season they have actually been corrupted by that universe in order to survive. And we blend into this universe, weather we remain the same or it changes us.
So, what do you think?
Any ideas of your own to propose?
1) Lifetime Subscription available via the C-Store for about 25,000 Zen say.
2) A Terran Empire (Mirror Universe) Character creation options and new apt new startig missions.
Perhaps in developing the terran rift device our ship was pulled into this universe and likewise our couterpart drawn into the mirror universe. Perhaps when we next see those native to this universe in the Shadows Advance season they have actually been corrupted by that universe in order to survive. And we blend into this universe, weather we remain the same or it changes us.
So, what do you think?
Any ideas of your own to propose?
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If you really want to play a terran, you already can through cosmetics and the power of imagination.
2) You have costumes for that, plus it'd just be another faction with nothing to do anyway.
1) Will only happen if they remove the Zen stipend, otherwise, they are giving out free Zen; even if it's 'only 500' it racks up. The console version does not have the stipend, and I ground out the Dil to get this option for free.
2) Repeately we have been told no. But that does not stop YOU from head-canoning one.
More of a different (in-game) way of buying it. The exchange isn't really that great for that since it would take years to grind for that. And right now, the dilithium exchange is dead.
I muse on the lifetime subscription sometimes 'cos it's the only way (that I know of) to get the odyssey admiral uniform. Plus the perks would be nice...
These are the voyages of the U.S.S. Pioneer...
TL;DR
- devs have already said no, and that the majority of players don't want a bad guy faction
- for a Terran Defector character you can create that in your bio, wear a Terran uniform, fly a Terran ship.
Another T6 TOS Connie? It would need to be a very expensive Legendary ship, probably in a $100+ bundle with some random junk.
The Federation class is a no go legally because its own by Franz Joseph. Same with a lot of other popular TOS designs like the Saladin, Larson, Loknar... basically everything that appeared in the old Starfleet Battles tabletop game.
Lifetime subscription is something you have to pay real money for. It should be kept that way. Not least because making it available with Zen would devalue it and also make the dilithium situation even worse.
The Mirror universe makes no sense. I just hope we'll quickly move on to more interesting stuff.
The Mirror Universe has been a thing since TOS. Its basically a What If scenario. What If the Federation was EVIL. Terran Empire. Its just one of many alternate realities, which Star Trek has established as a thing over the years.
I know what the MU and Terran Empire are. I'm not sure why you think this needed to be explained.
It makes no sense because one small change would lead to an entirely different universe. It's highly unlikely that a Terran Empire that experiences continuous betrayal, infighting and so on would exist for long.
But that isn't even the most problematic thing. Even if it made sense that the Empire continued to exist, it would be very odd that all these differences (in behaviour, choices and events and so on) and all the consequences those should have, did not have much of an impact on who's born and alive in the first place. Somehow everyone gets stabbed in the back all the time, entire crews get murdered or sacrificied by some maniac in their next quest for more power - but all the major characters did survive long enough to be in the same place so they can appear in the same story.
And not just that; their parents, the parents of their parents and their entire families - despite being presented as totally different characters that make very different choices compared to their main counterparts - developed the same way, met and got together with the same people and so on to make sure these characters exist at all.
Basically, everyone is supposed to be very different - yet the things and persons that matter are strangely similar. Or at least they have to be cause otherwise they wouldn't even exist there.
It's a story telling tool, I get it. Some may like them, but I prefer stories that don't require immense suspension of disbelief. Which the MU and Terran Empire do require. Hence: let's quickly move on and do something else than more mirror stuff.
In TOS it was like a kind of snapshot, as if it was created when the TOS crew went there and opposite-polarity history was just backfilled or something. It was never meant to have a sequel (like the DS9 one) so besides hinting that the mirror-Enterprise crew never bothered to try and find out what the buoy records were about and so never damaged the engines trying to investigate the barrier (the mirror ship had the older shock-needle equipped bussards) they didn't change much in a long-term way.
One of the ENT episodes even makes it possible that it was really nothing but a transporter virtual reality incident like what happened to Hoshi, but with mirrored transporter duplicates materialized in the real world (though that theory is a bit of a stretch).
TOS was soft-scifi so the soft sciences issues (mostly the examination of philosophical questions) was the main thing, the tech and cosmology (like a lock-stepped universe/mirror-universe setup) and whatnot were secondary considerations at best.
If you're wondering how he eats and breathes
and other science facts (la-la-la),
Just repeat to yourself, "It's just a show,
I should really just relax...
...for Mystery Science Theater 3000!
Yeah, Star Trek is the 'whatever makes the episode work' style of sci-fi. Words sound good but are flimsy at best in reality.
If you expect any kind of TV sci-fi to be as deep and detailed as novel sci-fi you will always be disappointed unless things change drastically in the Hollywood culture. Even The Expanse is not quite as rigorous as the books (though they did a better job than most). TOS pushed the envelope of that very hard for its time, and the rest of traditional Trek were in the forefront though they did not have to push as hard.
And yes, traditional Star Trek actually was soft sci-fi, especially in the beginning with TOS, though it started to get diluted with a bit of space opera when the movie division got a hold of it (and everything since 2009 has been the reverse, primarily space opera with only small pinch of soft sci-fi).
Just so we are on the same page terminology-wise, soft and hard are not vectors on a scale in sci-fi. Soft means it concentrates on the soft sciences (psychology, sociology, philosophy, humanities, etc.). Hard means it concentrates on the hard sciences such as hardware technology, physics, and most of the other heavily math-using sciences and questions of what that means for humanity. Despite the popular notion, it is not about how realistic or logical the sci-fi is at all, it is about the types of questions they explore. Also, both tend to tell stories via drama, not melodrama.
Space opera on the other hand does not concentrate on any science, it is all about the action and eyecandy, and rarely delves into any social, philosophical, or technological questions very deeply at all. This is the relm of Star Wars and other action hero fantasies set in space, and they tend to favor melodrama instead of drama in order to sustain the high pace of action.
You have to believe in some wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey quantum entanglement-y reality link between the two universes that forces some points of synchronization that otherwise don't make sense. Evidence for that is the ease of accidental transfer between the two universes compared to every other universe in the multiverse.
Or just tell yourself "a wizard did it" and hum the MST3K theme.
Star Trek was never based on westerns (except for a few episodes that lampooned the idea, like Spectre of the Gun at the same time they explored questions like how much of reality is perception and belief instead of absolute).
Roddenberry said numerous times that the series was based on Victorian era tall ship stories, especially the Hornblower series (the trick of dismounting one of the ship's guns and taking it on a ground mission is a very common thing in those stories, and Pike's "humble beginnings" stuff in The Cage was a nod to Hornblower directly).
The problem was that Hollywood had done so much of that kind of stuff that the swash had long since faded out of the buckle and it just would not sell even with the genre switch and the plot emphasis on philosophical questions instead of wild action. Conversely, westerns were wildly popular at the time (especially the semi-anthology show Wagon Train), so he changed the pitch and started saying it was like a "Wagon Train to the stars". The show itself was not changed, just the marketing hype.
In Mirror, Mirror the focus of the plot was on the exploration of cooperative vs. competitive / civilized vs. uncivilized social structure and the ramifications of the two, the mirror universe was just a way to enable that analysis. The cosmological aspect itself was irrelevant so they didn't go into how (or even if) that mirror could exist.
The funny thing is that Star Trek went the same route as NCIS and SG-1 in a way. TOS, as the first serious space sci-fi series had no shortage of science advice from real scientists who wanted to support the show, on top of having a science advisor on staff. It was about as close to real scientific theories of the time as any of the Treks have come, though like anything Hollywood has ever done it is not 100% since plot and entertainment value have to win out when the reality would be boring.
That is why in TOS they always used warp drive instead of impulse (when possible anyway) because it sidestepped Einsteinian physics problems in a believable way, why the red alert sound was that sweeping tone (real research at universities showed that it was the kind of thing that was the most noticeable even in noisy areas), and a lot of other things.
Weird as it sounds, it was even mostly why they used the crazy chromatherapy lighting (the Navy was experimenting with it on submarines to reduce long deployment stresses, though it turned out in that testing that it was a quack theory for the most part, but at the time they did not know that yet), and besides it was easy for the show producers to sell the idea to the network since they wanted more color because of the push for color TV.
By the time the movies came out sci-fi was more established on TV and scientists were no longer volunteering ideas, and Paramount Pictures had their sights firmly set on cashing in on the popularity of Star Wars so the science took even more of a backseat. TNG brought some of the science back, but never to the degree that TOS had, and the science end has been shrinking with each iteration until it is almost entirely absent in the NuTreks (which are simple space operas instead of soft sci-fi).