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I love how they proudly announce something that noone will buy... if they do they are rich and STO is discriminating mid-class to lower-class people. 12 Anniversary Terran bundle is freaking 600 dollars... 600 dollars for imaginary TRIBBLE.
It wouldn't have been much of a thing if we could still use the exchange and trade dil for zen.... but thats not happening anymore due to the cap.
It wouldn't have been much of a thing if we could still use the exchange and trade dil for zen.... but thats not happening anymore due to the cap.
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Firstof all, ok, 60,000 zen is $600 dollars.. it's $200 dollars for 20,000 zen..so, that times 3....$600
Then the STO team are all idiots if they overprice things knowing people wait for the sale and get them at such a low price...why post them that high at all. Seem, they would make more money to make them affordable to begin with.
Secondly...and no, I'm not misusing discrimination. It's not a matter of not willing to pay... it's unable to pay. If zen or bundles and items in zen store are priced so high that only the rich could afford to get them without worry of going broke....thats discrimination. I can't buy that b/c I cant afford to cause I have ... bills.
Discrimination is working a system so that it benefits a certain type of people and neglects or completely intentionally blocks others... that type could be race, religion, and wealth. The pricing on the zen store and to buy zen only benefits me the few times they go on sale. 90 percent of the time, it only benefits wealthy as only the rich and the stupid people who think they can afford those prices.
Firstly, you must have money to burn. It's not a matter of unwilling to spend 600 dollars, it's the ability to.
I'm not misusing the term discrimination. Discrimination is the practice of excluding one type of people in favor of another based on race, gender, religion, and yes...wealth. Pricing items and bundles on here for $600 dollars or more is making this game in favor of the rich or well offs 90 percent of the time while those who might be able to save up some money have to wait for sales... And it's for imaginary TRIBBLE. It's not like you can keep it forever...sooner or later, this game will be gone (soon if they don't upgrade engine or graphics better...and give better response time to activating powers.
Secondly, yes, 60,000 zen 90% of the time is $600.00. If everyone waits for the sales, then this game only really makes money just a few times a year. Why even post stuff that expensive if noone will buy it until they can spend 88.75% less? Seems to me people would buy more zen and items if they would post it more affordable.
And again, I'm sure they are thinking people are using the exchange ... but they are not. No way to exchange dil for zen since noone wants to sell 1 zen for 500 dil.
How do you get zen store items for free?
Except it's not 60,000 Zen ... not even close ...
https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11507853-the-12th-anniversary-terran-bundle!
Still pricey for impermanent digital assets I know but not 600 dollars pricey.
People really need to have a think before jumping on their soapboxes.
I'm not saying the price is objectively reasonable, but complaining about an imaginary price like the OP is undermines any argument they might want to make about the pricing. At the end of the day though what an objective person sees as reasonable is irrelevant, because high priced bundles continue to make Cryptic more money than individual ship sales.
At least your bad math is consistent though, kudos on that.
Technically the two threads are slightly different (first is about Lobi, this is about the 12th Anniversary bundle), but this one is based entirely on an imaginary price so it's pretty pointless anyway.
Cool, if the mods leave them both open, I won't say another word about it.
The wrong price in the opening aside, 175€ for a ship pack in STO is very, very expensive in my opinion. Let alone the 600€ Mudd pack that exists - that's in my opinion just ludicrous.
However, those bundles clearly sell and thus, OP and myself are not the target audience for this. Nor are we the people this game expects to keep it afloat. Yes, the pricing of those items is made fully aware of the fact that a portion of the player base will never buy them. It's 'whale bait' as they say.
I don't think OP needs clever suggestions how to 'save' on sales and such - they are fully aware that there are frequent sales that make it a bit less pricey - that is not the point, however. Also, the DilEx is technically still working, but in it's worst state in terms of grinding out Zen. This at the very least has to be acknowledged.
EDIT: I do not like to call this 'discrimination'. While one could interpret the term to apply here, I think it devalues the seriousness of the issue of discrimination in politics and society. This is just pricing of luxury entertainment.
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> Sorry, but the 'Bundles make more money' claim is a textbook example of how to use cherry-picked analytics/statistics to support a predetermined conclusion.
But Cryptic/The owner wouldn't sell something that would make them less money on purpose. You can question the metrics, sure, but the very fact that they only sell these bundles pretty much suggests that this is the most profitable option for them, regardless of what we think. They wouldn't voluntarily pass on 'more profit'. There is no evil plan here.
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Company offers a product, people either buy it or don't. That's how the world works.
The dil exchange still works. I'm buying the 12th anny bundle with zen I got through the dil exchange. I just converted 3000 zen last week, it still works. It might have taken 2 weeks but that's just the way it works now. You have to plan ahead, no more impulse buying I guess. Easier in some ways, harder in others.
Back to the OP, again I don't know what the actual complaint is but I just wanted to point out that you can still use dil to buy stuff in the game.
That's only with Legendary and Account-unlock Lobi/Lockbox/Promo ships, and imo it was probably a condition given by whoever makes the pricing decisions when they gave the OK for those things. In those cases the ships are meant to be premium items, and the bundle exclusivity is meant to maintain their perceived value as premium items.
If you're going to criticize Cryptic you picked the wrong bundle to throw stones at.
https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11507853-the-12th-anniversary-terran-bundle!
"As an alternative to the great deal that this Bundle offers, the four new Terran starships will also be made available as separate purchases on the Z-Store, at the standard price of a Tier 6 Starship: 3,000 Zen each. These starships will participate in a Z-Store-Wide Ship Sale which will be active from February 17th, 2022 until February 22nd, 2022, reducing this price to 2,400 Zen each (20% Off!). "
> Most of the time, lately, it's the ONLY option, and therein lays the point.
I suggest to you that this current 12th anniversary bundle will be the decider. For the first time ever, we have premium ships (multi spec, fleet level, with desirable consoles and traits) being offered as account unlocked individual purchases AND bundled at a higher price with fluff.
If Cryptic brings in more money (zen) from the bundled sales than they do from the individual sales, then they will have their answer as to what the playerbase wants.
They will communicate that answer to us by either continuing to lock premium ships into expensive bundles or not.
The topic seems to be the same, just veiled behind a "different" item but using the same percieved price argument. On top of that, the rather aggressive posture of the OP feels more like baiting others into a flamethrower. Per forum rules regarding spamming, I'm gonna shut this one down.