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nrobbiecnrobbiec Member Posts: 959 Arc User
Sometimes theres an inconsistency in whether ships named after historical figures use both surname and first name or just surname. Im thinking of a ship named after Gabriel Bell but I dont know whether it should be U.S.S. Bell or U.S.S. Gabriel Bell.

Any words of wisdom o wise ones?
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  • vedauwoovedauwoo Member Posts: 215 Arc User
    edited January 2022
    I use both names for some.... USS Carl Sagan, USS Karl Marx....but then just the last for others.... USS Tsiolkovsky, USS Ghandi, etc....

    My rule is what sounds best and also conveys the meaning....
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  • faelon#8433 faelon Member Posts: 358 Arc User
    westmetals wrote: »
    nrobbiec wrote: »
    Sometimes theres an inconsistency in whether ships named after historical figures use both surname and first name or just surname. Im thinking of a ship named after Gabriel Bell but I dont know whether it should be U.S.S. Bell or U.S.S. Gabriel Bell.

    Any words of wisdom o wise ones?

    When naming after people, in modern usage, the US Navy generally uses the full name (even including middle initials), if that helps....

    For example, one of the Nimitz-class carriers is named USS John C. Stennis

    This has however not always been the case - during World War II they generally only used surnames.

    Prior to WW2 they used mainly surnames. During WW2 as they started naming ships, especially the smaller mass produced Escort Destroyers after fallen sailors they began using full proper names. Especially where the surname was common. Probably the most famous example is the USS Samuel B. Roberts. The Escort Destroyer that famously fought like a Battleship at the Battle of Samar.

    From that same battle you can also see the US Navy's widespread use of 2 word names where they named the Escort Carriers after the locations of historical battles. USS White Plains, USS Gambier Bay, USS Fanshaw Bay, USS St Lo, etc.

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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,597 Community Moderator
    edited January 2022
    There's really no set in stone rule on names. We got ships like Fletcher and John Paul Jones. Hell... I'm sure Spirit of Fire is also allowed even by Starfleet naming conventions.

    The only oddball I can think of in modern navy conventions is the USS The Sullivans, named after five brothers. The reason its an oddball is because it is the only ship with "The" as a legit part of the name.
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  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,375 Arc User
    Yeah I'd suspect it would be case of which looks the best and conveys the correct name sake to people the best. For Gabriel Bell I'd use the full name as USS Bell could refer to whole host of people.
  • vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,923 Arc User
    edited January 2022
    nrobbiec wrote: »
    Sometimes theres an inconsistency in whether ships named after historical figures use both surname and first name or just surname. Im thinking of a ship named after Gabriel Bell but I dont know whether it should be U.S.S. Bell or U.S.S. Gabriel Bell.

    Any words of wisdom o wise ones?

    IRL it depends. The USS Nimitz is named for Chester Nimitz, USS Ronald Reagan , USS John Paul Jones, USS Hancock, and also USS John Hancock.. USS Thach, USS Samuel B Roberts.. choose what works for you.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    nrobbiec wrote: »
    Sometimes theres an inconsistency in whether ships named after historical figures use both surname and first name or just surname. Im thinking of a ship named after Gabriel Bell but I dont know whether it should be U.S.S. Bell or U.S.S. Gabriel Bell.

    Any words of wisdom o wise ones?

    Either way is fine historically so it's entirely up to you, whatever you like better. I personally stick to surnames when I'm naming after people, but that's just my preference. The only multi-word ship names I have are for ships named after locations (Tun Tavern), battles (Belleau Wood), or TV stuff (U.S.S. Faith of the Heart and I.S.S. Slice of Life), but at the same time with your example I can also see the argument that the full name would better convey who exactly you are referring to. At the end of the day it's your ship, so the only opinion that matters is your own.
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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    nrobbiec wrote: »
    Sometimes theres an inconsistency in whether ships named after historical figures use both surname and first name or just surname. Im thinking of a ship named after Gabriel Bell but I dont know whether it should be U.S.S. Bell or U.S.S. Gabriel Bell.

    Any words of wisdom o wise ones?

    IRL it depends. The USS Nimitz is named for Chester Nimitz, USS Ronald Reagan , USS John Paul Jones, USS Hancock, and also USS John Hancock.. USS Thach, USS Samuel B Roberts.. choose what works for you.
    Only a particularly nasty Terran would name their ship after Reagan. :P
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    nrobbiec wrote: »
    Sometimes theres an inconsistency in whether ships named after historical figures use both surname and first name or just surname. Im thinking of a ship named after Gabriel Bell but I dont know whether it should be U.S.S. Bell or U.S.S. Gabriel Bell.

    Any words of wisdom o wise ones?

    IRL it depends. The USS Nimitz is named for Chester Nimitz, USS Ronald Reagan , USS John Paul Jones, USS Hancock, and also USS John Hancock.. USS Thach, USS Samuel B Roberts.. choose what works for you.
    Only a particularly nasty Terran would name their ship after Reagan. :P

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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,460 Arc User
    Personally, I use the surname alone where a mistake or misunderstanding is unlikely (USS Hawking, USS Gbur), but first name as well when the name is more common (USS John W. Campbell) or might need more explication (USS Silas Soule, USS Eugene Goodman).
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  • theanothernametheanothername Member Posts: 1,511 Arc User
    nrobbiec wrote: »
    Sometimes theres an inconsistency in whether ships named after historical figures use both surname and first name or just surname. Im thinking of a ship named after Gabriel Bell but I dont know whether it should be U.S.S. Bell or U.S.S. Gabriel Bell.

    Any words of wisdom o wise ones?

    IRL it depends. The USS Nimitz is named for Chester Nimitz, USS Ronald Reagan , USS John Paul Jones, USS Hancock, and also USS John Hancock.. USS Thach, USS Samuel B Roberts.. choose what works for you.
    Only a particularly nasty Terran would name their ship after Reagan. :P

    Now that I think about it; did we actually had Terran ships named after whats our prime scum like USS Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Kotick but they probably glorify as great progressive leaders?
  • lnbladelnblade Member Posts: 410 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    Personally, I use the surname alone where a mistake or misunderstanding is unlikely (USS Hawking, USS Gbur), but first name as well when the name is more common (USS John W. Campbell) or might need more explication (USS Silas Soule, USS Eugene Goodman).
    This is what I tend to use as my rule of thumb. Though sadly, I don't think any naming convention will let you use Richard Bong for your ship (he was America's top figher ace from WW2)
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,460 Arc User
    edited January 2022
    lnblade wrote: »
    jonsills wrote: »
    Personally, I use the surname alone where a mistake or misunderstanding is unlikely (USS Hawking, USS Gbur), but first name as well when the name is more common (USS John W. Campbell) or might need more explication (USS Silas Soule, USS Eugene Goodman).
    This is what I tend to use as my rule of thumb. Though sadly, I don't think any naming convention will let you use Richard Bong for your ship (he was America's top figher ace from WW2)
    True. In my series of ships named for SF authors, I was also unable to name one for the author of such classics as We Can Remember It For You Wholesale and Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep?
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  • faelon#8433 faelon Member Posts: 358 Arc User
    Only a particularly nasty Terran would name their ship after Reagan. :P

    I'm not sure that the Terran's would name something after The American President that had the fewest uses of the American Military, and the least loss of life through military misadventure, both servicemen and civilians in the 20th Century? (excepting perhaps Harding, who died kind of fast) I mean the only thing Reagan invaded was Grenada for a weekend. His was not the Terran way. Now the Bush's? Terran to the core.

    As for multi word names, yes we base a lot of Star Trek off of the US Navy's WW2 era naming conventions, because that was the foremost example in the shows creators minds. But even the US Navy has some long standing unusual names USS bon Homme Richard Has been used 5 times going back to the US Revolution. And the French Tradition for naval names goes in for long flowing multiword names. The Russian Tradition often went for names so long the nameplate had to wrap around the ship.
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    Only a particularly nasty Terran would name their ship after Reagan. :P

    I'm not sure that the Terran's would name something after The American President that had the fewest uses of the American Military, and the least loss of life through military misadventure, both servicemen and civilians in the 20th Century? (excepting perhaps Harding, who died kind of fast) I mean the only thing Reagan invaded was Grenada for a weekend. His was not the Terran way. Now the Bush's? Terran to the core.
    Just poking a bit of politics with a long stick, but I was more referring to his, how to stay polite... "debatable" domestic policies.
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  • nixie50nixie50 Member Posts: 1,343 Arc User
    nrobbiec wrote: »
    Sometimes theres an inconsistency in whether ships named after historical figures use both surname and first name or just surname. Im thinking of a ship named after Gabriel Bell but I dont know whether it should be U.S.S. Bell or U.S.S. Gabriel Bell.

    Any words of wisdom o wise ones?

    IRL it depends. The USS Nimitz is named for Chester Nimitz, USS Ronald Reagan , USS John Paul Jones, USS Hancock, and also USS John Hancock.. USS Thach, USS Samuel B Roberts.. choose what works for you.
    Only a particularly nasty Terran would name their ship after Reagan. :P

    excuse me, your ignorance and bias are showing. so much for being someone who is enlightened
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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,404 Arc User
    edited January 2022
    nixie50 wrote: »
    excuse me, your ignorance and bias are showing. so much for being someone who is enlightened
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  • marty123#3757 marty123 Member Posts: 674 Arc User
    I’d say Gabriel Bell, especially seeing as Bell is not unique enough of a surname to avoid confusion.
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  • faelon#8433 faelon Member Posts: 358 Arc User
    westmetals wrote: »
    I’d say Gabriel Bell, especially seeing as Bell is not unique enough of a surname to avoid confusion.

    Yeah... if I was to just see "Bell" the first that would come to mind would be Alexander Graham Bell.

    Or in a Star Trek context Liberty Bell 7. Gus Grissom's Ride.

  • nrobbiecnrobbiec Member Posts: 959 Arc User
    Thank you for your feesback everyone. As a Brit I've decided to go with the British naming convention and use U.S.S. Bell. Also with Comodore being the canon rank as opposed to Rear Admiral LH it just seems to work.

    Used the tier 6 coupon and got myself a Jupiter carrier to bear the name.
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