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snowpiercer#1188 snowpiercer Member Posts: 77 Arc User
Sort of tired seeing the slackers join events and not do anything but stand there or sit there in a ship and not participate while the rest of the team carries the weight. There should be some minimums in place that a player must achieve or not receive credit for the mission.

In the rocket event, for instance: Players should be required to gather at least one of each part or be disqualified. These losers just stand by their table and wait until it's over.

In space missions, you should need to fly a certain distance and do a minimum amount of damage.
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,165 Arc User
    edited April 2021
    In the rocket event, for instance: Players should be required to gather at least one of each part or be disqualified. These losers just stand by their table and wait until it's over.

    Here is the thing: both yesterday and today when I queued up for the rocket event I couldn't even participate because good ole Cryptic hasn't seen fit to fix this bug:

    https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1261160/1st-contact-day-re-enactment-rocket-building-has-a-bug

    So until Cryptic bothers to fix things like this, you can take your post and...do something with it :)


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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,165 Arc User
    edited April 2021
    Now a separate point completely unrelated to my previous post about the bug:

    I can 100% understand (and agree with) you having an issue with people not participating in combat missions, because that effects you. You have to "pick up the slack" and do more work to get the mission done.

    But for the rocket event, it literally doesn't effect you at ALL whether someone else is participating or not. Correction: in a way it even makes it easier for you, because you aren't competing for part spawns. But the point is this: if you are bothered by a situation that has NO negative effect on you, AT ALL, then you really need to get down on your knees and thank (someone) for how great your life is, that this is all you have to worry about :p

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  • eladonwarps#6040 eladonwarps Member Posts: 231 Arc User
    Last year, I recall it being almost as buggy and people were getting AFK'd for not shooting spiders when they appeared. That finally got fixed. Not sure this is the place to put that sort of penalty.
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  • garaffegaraffe Member Posts: 1,353 Arc User
    Lock me up, I am guilty.

    This event has 3 options:
    * Synth wave (we literally just had a month of synth wave on Console and now it is being crammed down our throats again.)
    * Rocket launch (can you really expect a person to run around this map every day putting in 100% effort to build a stupid rocket?)
    * Ground Patrol (I like this patrol, but it is extremely long and not something I want to do every day)

    Synth wave is probably the worst designed TFO in this game, and I just had a month of nothing but synth wave. So I will do the rocket launch every day, and I will AFK the hell out of it or take a nice long stroll around the countryside.
  • alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,412 Arc User
    Guilty too, how dare we build a simple rocket with an RNG for how high it goes just to get the event rewards. Also if OP wants to compete, join me in my other pure PVP games, I'll be happy to fight you all day.
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  • dragon#2626 dragon Member Posts: 255 Arc User
    westmetals wrote: »
    There ARE penalties for non-participation in TFOs that involve combat. (If you don't do at least 1-2% of the total damage, you don't get rewards for the TFO and can't queue for any TFOs or patrols for half an hour.)

    The First Contact Day TFO is however exempt from those penalties.

    * I recently got hit with that accidentally, due to a long loading screen into a Borg Red Alert... it was completed before it showed up on my screen at all.

    **I personally think those penalties should be increased, and/or replaced by an autokick function, particularly in the case of ground TFOs, because of cases where they can become literally impossible to complete due to waypoint triggers that won't trigger if someone stays at the start point.

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  • husanakxhusanakx Member Posts: 1,593 Arc User
    The rocket launch is a time gate.... that is all. Who cares if you are running collecting parts or dancing ?

    Why does it bother you what others do. If you want to build a rocket go to it. If I want to shoot my party popers and perhaps throw up a disco ball. It's not up to you. :P
  • garaffegaraffe Member Posts: 1,353 Arc User
    I shouldn't have admitted my guilt. I just got an AFK penalty in the Model Rocket Launch. Thing is, I actually participated this time by procuring a hull component.

    Wasn't there a bug last year on PC where players got the AFK penalty when another player encountered those spiders?
  • foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    The rockets are RNG. Any effort you make is irrelevant. Why put in serious effort for the same reward in the end?

    I usually spend a couple minutes to find parts then do admiralty with the rest of the time. I begrudge no one for doing even less. It doesn't affect me and doesn't matter.
  • alcyoneserenealcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,412 Arc User
    Yeah my suggestion above doesn't hold, event is just bugged, got AFKed 2x in a row despite having the window open and focused while clicking accept TFO and loading and clicking exit on the dialogue window.
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  • ussvaliant2#1952 ussvaliant2 Member Posts: 402 Arc User
    edited April 2021
    Sort of tired seeing the slackers join events and not do anything but stand there or sit there in a ship and not participate while the rest of the team carries the weight. There should be some minimums in place that a player must achieve or not receive credit for the mission.

    In the rocket event, for instance: Players should be required to gather at least one of each part or be disqualified. These losers just stand by their table and wait until it's over.

    In space missions, you should need to fly a certain distance and do a minimum amount of damage.

    The rocket event does require some action such as what you suggested or a afk penalty and no rewards are given.

    Plus with the rocket event what difference does it make to you if someone is afk?

    It doesn't affect you collecting parts,
    adjusting parts
    Hinder the progression of that mission.
    Affect the rewards you receive.

    Now other TFO's where participation for progress and reward does directly affect you there is a penalty system in place where you have to do x amount of dmg to not be flagged afk and get a TFO timeout.

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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,342 Arc User
    If folk can AFK in one thing, they'll try it in others. People shouldn't be encouraging it in the first place, nevermind having a go at the OP!
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  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,165 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    If folk can AFK in one thing, they'll try it in others. People shouldn't be encouraging it in the first place, nevermind having a go at the OP!

    OP has no business talking about the rocket event while it's bugged. Until Cryptic bothers to fix their game, people have every excuse to AFK that event if it bugs on them.

    But generally speaking, I agree people need to participate and pull their weight in any event where participation actually matters.

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  • garaffegaraffe Member Posts: 1,353 Arc User
    If Cryptic doesn't want people to AFK, then they should put some effort into creating TFOs that aren't mind-numbing, time-gated, snooze-fests where working towards the objectives has no real impact on the outcome of the mission (I'm looking at you Synth Wave).

    Not to mention, having to do the same mission every day for 2-4 weeks only encourages people to AFK/do minimal work. This is, of course, only made worse when you have to do one of the above mentioned TFOs every day.
  • kaithan1975kaithan1975 Member Posts: 947 Arc User
    OP has no business talking about the rocket event while it's bugged. Until Cryptic bothers to fix their game, people have every excuse to AFK that event if it bugs on them.

    This. I like trying to build a all purple rocket even though it makes zero difference in the outcome, I get my marks and my daily and all is good. The problem is that almost half the time I'm forced to AFK because I simply can't do anything other than watch someone else fill my rocket slots for me.
    Exactly what does one do when you get this other than AFK?

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  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,540 Arc User
    edited April 2021
    Sort of tired seeing the slackers join events and not do anything but stand there or sit there in a ship and not participate while the rest of the team carries the weight. There should be some minimums in place that a player must achieve or not receive credit for the mission.

    In the rocket event, for instance: Players should be required to gather at least one of each part or be disqualified. These losers just stand by their table and wait until it's over.

    In space missions, you should need to fly a certain distance and do a minimum amount of damage.

    Surely, you could have been a bit more...tactful...in your choice of words. Implying, inferring, or outright calling someone you've never met in person a "slacker" or "loser" gets people's attention in the worst sort of way. It causes resentment and friction where none is needed.

    If other people playing a timegated mission which offers the exact same rewards to everyone, regardless of the amount of participation, in a manner which you find offensive, you have two choices:

    1) Don't play the mission ever again.
    2) Simply ignore what they're doing and enjoy yourself.

    I give less than a...can't use the word here, but Y'all know which one I mean... what the other players in this mission are doing.
    I'm celebrating First Contact Day in Bozeman Montana by flying a model rocket.

    This game and these forums have entirely too many busybodies running about telling others what they're doing or what they like is all wrong. The perverse part of my nature now wants to seek your character out ingame and AFK enough so you rage quit STO forever.
    It would amuse me greatly to know I was successful in removing one more irritant from STO permanently.

    But to do so would make me just like you. And you are one person I never ever want to be like.




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  • snowpiercer#1188 snowpiercer Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    In the rocket event, for instance: Players should be required to gather at least one of each part or be disqualified. These losers just stand by their table and wait until it's over.

    Here is the thing: both yesterday and today when I queued up for the rocket event I couldn't even participate because good ole Cryptic hasn't seen fit to fix this bug:

    https://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1261160/1st-contact-day-re-enactment-rocket-building-has-a-bug

    So until Cryptic bothers to fix things like this, you can take your post and...do something with it :)

    I've been in several rocket missions where my character name is listed on two different colors but I've never had an issue completing the event. And the player who had my name on their table finished it too.

    Besides, even if there were such a bug, how would you know if you just stood in one place during the entire event and never moved?
  • fred26291#2759 fred26291 Member Posts: 1,265 Arc User
    The other day I had one on an instance that my name was missing from the list and someone elses name was where I was supposed to be.
    I participated anyway even thou I couldnt put anything on the rocket and still got credit however, I did actually participate, I did fetch parts and upgrade parts at the end.
  • snowpiercer#1188 snowpiercer Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    Now a separate point completely unrelated to my previous post about the bug:

    I can 100% understand (and agree with) you having an issue with people not participating in combat missions, because that effects you. You have to "pick up the slack" and do more work to get the mission done.

    But for the rocket event, it literally doesn't effect you at ALL whether someone else is participating or not. Correction: in a way it even makes it easier for you, because you aren't competing for part spawns. But the point is this: if you are bothered by a situation that has NO negative effect on you, AT ALL, then you really need to get down on your knees and thank (someone) for how great your life is, that this is all you have to worry about :p

    Whether are not it affects me is not the point. I don't like freeloaders. Being of the opinion that something is okay as long as it does not affect you personally is a selfish attitude.
  • snowpiercer#1188 snowpiercer Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    If there was anything rewarded for participation beyond 'being present' this might barely be a reasonable request, but participation makes no difference. 15 base marks, 5 bonus fleet marks, and a daily bonus mark box if eligible -- whether your rocket launched with all-excellent parts and won or blew up the pad with a single 'good' part to its name, it makes no difference.

    I stopped even really trying to get the best possible rocket. Turns out, 90% of it comes from the refine phase. So why run around when I can just walk, take in the sights, pick up more junk than I can use, and still build a perfect or near-perfect rocket in the end?

    IF that's your feeling, they may as well remove the event and just give everyone the rewards.
  • snowpiercer#1188 snowpiercer Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    The rockets are RNG. Any effort you make is irrelevant. Why put in serious effort for the same reward in the end?

    I usually spend a couple minutes to find parts then do admiralty with the rest of the time. I begrudge no one for doing even less. It doesn't affect me and doesn't matter.

    Except for the fact that the rockets with better parts always go higher.
  • snowpiercer#1188 snowpiercer Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    OP has no business talking about the rocket event while it's bugged. Until Cryptic bothers to fix their game, people have every excuse to AFK that event if it bugs on them.

    This. I like trying to build a all purple rocket even though it makes zero difference in the outcome, I get my marks and my daily and all is good. The problem is that almost half the time I'm forced to AFK because I simply can't do anything other than watch someone else fill my rocket slots for me.
    Exactly what does one do when you get this other than AFK?

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    OP has no business talking about the rocket event while it's bugged. Until Cryptic bothers to fix their game, people have every excuse to AFK that event if it bugs on them.

    This. I like trying to build a all purple rocket even though it makes zero difference in the outcome, I get my marks and my daily and all is good. The problem is that almost half the time I'm forced to AFK because I simply can't do anything other than watch someone else fill my rocket slots for me.
    Exactly what does one do when you get this other than AFK?

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    I guess I've just been lucky then. In all the years I've done this event, I've never been unable to complete it, even when my name is on two colors.
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