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Back in the dark ages, there was a time when there were no fed cruisers could use cannons, and the turn rates were glacial.
In those dark times was born a creature, the all turret cannon setup. It's purpose was to deal damage in any direction, regardless of turn rate.
Lately I've been thinking of trying this setup again, for no other reason than to resurrect an abomination for fun and profit.
The question is this, where do I start?
I could start with what we had then and build up but, so much has been added, it might be best to pre optimize.
So, are there any suggestions on ships, gear, etc.?
In those dark times was born a creature, the all turret cannon setup. It's purpose was to deal damage in any direction, regardless of turn rate.
Lately I've been thinking of trying this setup again, for no other reason than to resurrect an abomination for fun and profit.
The question is this, where do I start?
I could start with what we had then and build up but, so much has been added, it might be best to pre optimize.
So, are there any suggestions on ships, gear, etc.?
As a time traveller, Am I supposed to pack underwear or underwhen?
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Pick a damage type and stick with it, polaron, tetryon, phaser.
Its been so long since I ran mine I'm not sure what the best gear other than that would be. Ba'aul refraction can be pretty fun, especially with scatter volley.
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Seeing as Energy Weapons weren't the primary focus of the ship, and it uses a very 'park and pew' playstyle, the ship did have issues maintaining constant high power flow and keeping a full broadside on potential targets. These are the main perks of an all-turret build:
-Less Power Draw(primarily important for ships with 8x weapons energy weapons)
-Turret builds work better where you're sitting stationary for prolonged periods of time("Anchored" trait is a great synergy).
My Quas basically functions like a mobile repair station while constantly projecting out restorative 'auras' of healing. It parks, with the anchored trait and gets more potent the longer it sits still. I probably wouldn't recommend the setup for most energy weapon centered builds, but if energy weapons are a secondary focus, a turret setup can work pretty well.
The truth is, in todays setting, Turret builds really are just something you do if you just like the idea. As Pete said above, with everything that's been added to the game to help large ships turn, the only reason to not use Dual Cannons is if you're on a ship that is restricted from using them. Any ship that's allowed to use Cannons is viable given everything you can do to make them turn better.
That being the case, the key things for my turret build are the starship trait Withering Barrage, and a bunch of set items. It's a very simple idea, you could push damage higher with Sensor Linked Turrets or by swapping out one of the consoles (Borg) for the DPRM Console, but this is a pretty budget build that is slapped together out of boredom and just for fun. I also recommend using Power to Engines with the Emergency Conn Hologram from the Phoenix Box so you can zip around as fast as possible just spitting fire everywhere.
Practical? Not really..
Powerful? Na.. more like 'acceptable'
Fun? Heck yeah!
Trick is to keep everything close so reverse tractor beam, tractor beam console (don't recall name at the moment) Fek'lir chain console etc.
Pull em close, pop an "Emit unstable warp Bubble" to debuff and shred them.
The mission reward trait which does extra damage to foes within 5Km and the https://sto.gamepedia.com/Console_-_Tactical_-_Fek'ihri_Torment_Engine
With this set i would use corrosive plasma.
If you can get the positioning right you can lift the damage to mid level DPS range.
I am generally space rich so I'm a bit spoiled for choice when it comes to the ship.
I was thinking of maybe the galor since I haven't used it yet, but then maybe one of the legendary mw ships would be better since I could use exceed limits and get the extra consoles for damage boosts.
Maybe a utility torp.
Does any one have any experience with what exactly the torment engine boosts? I saw it's non hazard damage sources. Other than plasma prices are there any weapon s it boosts?
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This was an ISA
So, that's what I got with the setup I threw together.
Its an aux2batt build with 3 blue technicians, beckett and a space nurse
Legendary Excelsior Miracle Worker Heavy Cruiser [T6-X] Tier 6-X
Fore Weapon 1 Very Rare Omni-Directional Chronometric Polaron Beam Array Mk XII
Fore Weapon 2 Very Rare Thoron Infused Polaron Turret
Fore Weapon 3 Very Rare Thoron Infused Polaron Turret
Fore Weapon 4 Very Rare Advanced Piezo-Photon Torpedo Launcher Mk XII
Deflector Rare Kobali Deflector Array Mk XII
Impulse Ultra Rare Elite Fleet Efficient Hyper-Impulse Engines Mk XII [Pow] [Spd] [Turn]x2
Core Ultra Rare Elite Fleet Plasma-Integrated Warp Core Mk XII [A->W] [ACap] [AMP] [Eff] [Trans]
Shield Array Ultra Rare Elite Fleet Adaptive Resilient Shield Array Mk XIV [Adapt] [Cap]x2 [ResB]
Aft Weapon 1 Very Rare Omni Directional Polaron Beam Array Mk XIV [Over]
Aft Weapon 2 Very Rare Thoron Infused Polaron Turret
Aft Weapon 3 Very Rare Thoron Infused Polaron Turret
Aft Weapon 4 Very Rare Inhibiting Polaron Turret Mk XIII [CrtD] [CrtH] [Dmg]
Device Slot 1
Device Slot 2
Device Slot 3
Device Slot 4
Device Slot 5 Red Matter Capacitor
Engineering Console 1 Ultra Rare Console - Universal - Assimilated Module Mk XV
Engineering Console 2 Epic Console - Universal - Hull Image Refractors
Engineering Console 3 Ultra Rare Console - Universal - Piezo-Electric Focuser Mk XV
Engineering Console 4 Ultra Rare Console - Engineering - Trellium-D Plating Mk XV
Engineering Console 5 Ultra Rare Console - Engineering - Conductive RCS Accelerator Mk XV [+Turn]
Science Console 1 Console - Universal - Ablative Hazard Shielding
Science Console 2 Console - Universal - Variable Auto-Targeting Armament
Tactical Console 1 Very Rare Console - Tactical - Vulnerability Locator Mk XII [+Pol]
Tactical Console 2 Very Rare Console - Tactical - Vulnerability Locator Mk XII [+Pol]
Tactical Console 3 Very Rare Console - Tactical - Vulnerability Locator Mk XII [+Pol]
Tactical Console 4 Very Rare Console - Tactical - Vulnerability Locator Mk XII [+Pol]
Universal Console 1 Very Rare Console - Tactical - Polaron Phase Modulator Mk XI
Universal Console 2 Very Rare Console - Tactical - Polaron Phase Modulator Mk XI
BRIDGE OFFICERS
Lieutenant Universal
Science
Ensign: Hazard Emitters I
Lieutenant: Science Team II
Ensign Universal
Science
Ensign: Polarize Hull I
Commander Engineering Miracle Worker
Ensign: Emergency Power to Weapons I
Lieutenant: Auxiliary to Battery I
Lt. Commander: Mixed Armaments Synergy II
Commander: Energy Weapons: Exceed Rated Limits III
Lt. Commander Engineering Pilot
Ensign: Engineering Team I
Lieutenant: Auxiliary to Battery I
Lt. Commander: Hold Together II
Lt. Commander Tactical
Ensign: Tactical Team I
Lieutenant: Attack Pattern Beta I
Lt. Commander: Torpedo: High Yield III
personal traits are
ablative shell
eps manifold efficiency
bulkhead technician
grace under fire
intense focus
operative
pattern recognition
shield technician
warp theorist
ship traits are
history will remember
emergency weapon cycle
a good day to die
over powered over gunned
regeneration cycle
rep traits are
advanced engines
enhanced shield penetration
tylers duality
enhanced rending shots
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Occidere populo et effercio confractus
Legendary Excelsior Miracle Worker Heavy Cruiser [T6-X] Tier 6-X
Fore Weapon 1 Very Rare Omni-Directional Chronometric Polaron Beam Array Mk XII
Fore Weapon 2 Very Rare Thoron Infused Polaron Turret Mk XII
Fore Weapon 3 Very Rare Thoron Infused Polaron Turret Mk XII
Fore Weapon 4 Very Rare Advanced Piezo-Photon Torpedo Launcher Mk XII
Deflector Rare Kobali Deflector Array Mk XII
Impulse Ultra Rare Elite Fleet Efficient Hyper-Impulse Engines Mk XII [Pow] [Spd] [Turn]x2
Core Ultra Rare Elite Fleet Plasma-Integrated Warp Core Mk XII [A->W] [ACap] [AMP] [Eff] [Trans]
Shield Array Ultra Rare Elite Fleet Adaptive Resilient Shield Array Mk XIV [Adapt] [Cap]x2 [ResB]
Aft Weapon 1 Very Rare Omni Directional Polaron Beam Array Mk XIV [Over]
Aft Weapon 2 Very Rare Thoron Infused Polaron Turret Mk XII
Aft Weapon 3 Very Rare Thoron Infused Polaron Turret Mk XII
Aft Weapon 4 Very Rare Inhibiting Polaron Turret Mk XII
Device Slot 1
Device Slot 2
Device Slot 3
Device Slot 4
Device Slot 5 Red Matter Capacitor
Engineering Console 1 Ultra Rare Console - Universal - Assimilated Module Mk XV
Engineering Console 2 Epic Console - Universal - Hull Image Refractors
Engineering Console 3 Ultra Rare Console - Universal - Piezo-Electric Focuser Mk XV
Engineering Console 4 Ultra Rare Console - Engineering - Trellium-D Plating Mk XV
Engineering Console 5 Ultra Rare Console - Engineering - Conductive RCS Accelerator Mk XV [+Turn]
Science Console 1 Console - Universal - Ablative Hazard Shielding
Science Console 2 Console - Universal - Variable Auto-Targeting Armament
Tactical Console 1 Very Rare Console - Tactical - Vulnerability Locator Mk XII [+Pol]
Tactical Console 2 Very Rare Console - Tactical - Vulnerability Locator Mk XII [+Pol]
Tactical Console 3 Very Rare Console - Tactical - Vulnerability Locator Mk XII [+Pol]
Tactical Console 4 Very Rare Console - Tactical - Vulnerability Locator Mk XII [+Pol]
Universal Console 1 Very Rare Console - Tactical - Polaron Phase Modulator Mk XI
Universal Console 2 Very Rare Console - Tactical - Polaron Phase Modulator Mk XI
BRIDGE OFFICERS
Lieutenant Universal
Science
Ensign: Hazard Emitters I
Lieutenant: Science Team II
Ensign Universal
Science
Ensign: Polarize Hull I
Commander Engineering Miracle Worker
Ensign: Emergency Power to Weapons I
Lieutenant: Auxiliary to Battery I
Lt. Commander: Mixed Armaments Synergy II
Commander: Energy Weapons: Exceed Rated Limits III
Lt. Commander Engineering Pilot
Ensign: Engineering Team I
Lieutenant: Auxiliary to Battery I
Lt. Commander: Hold Together II
Lt. Commander Tactical
Ensign: Tactical Team I
Lieutenant: Attack Pattern Beta I
Lt. Commander: Torpedo: High Yield III
Doffs are 3 blue technicians, Beckett, and a space nurse.
Space traits are
ablative shell
Eps efficiency
bulkhead technician
grace under fire
intense focus
operative
pattern recognition
shield technician
warp theorist
Liberated borg human
ship traits are
history will remember
emergency weapon cycle
a good day to die
over powered over gunned
regeneration cucle
rep traits are
advanced engines
enhanced shield pen
tylers duality
rending shots
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Occidere populo et effercio confractus
A MW ship is always a good choice for energy builds, and exceed rated limits would work very well for a mostly stationary ship. Don't overlook the possibility of adding in 180 torpedoes which then let you run mixed armaments synergy too and at worst lose 1 weapon slot that won't be firing. Mines might work for that too if you wanted to get hot pursuit.
Personally I'd invert the whole thing and go with 7 beams and a turret with BFAW or BO3 but this is a turret build thread
> You're running 5 turrets. Have you considered replacing Torpedo High Yield III with Cannon Scatter Volley 2 so you can buff up the majority of your weapons? Perhaps try 7 turrets and keep your Omni Directional Beam Array for mixed armaments synergy.
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> Personally I'd invert the whole thing and go with 7 beams and a turret with BFAW or BO3 but this is a turret build thread
Lol I only had 5 that's why I went with mixed armament synergy.
Exceed rated likits shares a cd on other energy weapon abilities. And with my a2b build another weapon skill would slow down how often I can pop it.
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So, I'll be honest.. your BoFF layout confuses me.. a lot.
It's a Miracle Worker ship and you're not taking advantage of your best MW ability Mixed Armaments Synergy. This is, quite frankly, perhaps THE most powerful single Bridge Officer ability for Directed Energy Weapon builds. You're also running turrets with nothing to buff them? no Scatter Volley or Rapid fire? Allow me to provide a revised solution if I may..
If you have access to the Withering Barrage Trait, with your A2B layout you would have near constant up time on Scatter Volley. Narrow Sensor Bands also offsets the accuracy hit from not being able to use Scatter Volley at rank III and gives you a nice rotation of tactical skills.
That's just a suggestion, I get that you're not really trying to get a high parse but this will at least give you a boost. If you just wanted a better parse, swap out Scatter Volley for Fire At Will III and change the weapons to all beams and one turret.. you'll triple your parse instantly.
> You only need 1 of another type of weapon to proc Mixed Armaments Synergy, so if you're using a 'Turret Boat' one omni would be enough, there is really no need to have more then one beam, and you should definitely drop the torp. Your best advantage is that you don't have to 'face' anything in order to fire any of your weapons, the torpedo runs counter to that.
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> So, I'll be honest.. your BoFF layout confuses me.. a lot.
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> It's a Miracle Worker ship and you're not taking advantage of your best MW ability Mixed Armaments Synergy. This is, quite frankly, perhaps THE most powerful single Bridge Officer ability for Directed Energy Weapon builds. You're also running turrets with nothing to buff them? no Scatter Volley or Rapid fire? Allow me to provide a revised solution if I may..
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> If you have access to the Withering Barrage Trait, with your A2B layout you would have near constant up time on Scatter Volley. Narrow Sensor Bands also offsets the accuracy hit from not being able to use Scatter Volley at rank III and gives you a nice rotation of tactical skills.
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> That's just a suggestion, I get that you're not really trying to get a high parse but this will at least give you a boost. If you just wanted a better parse, swap out Scatter Volley for Fire At Will III and change the weapons to all beams and one turret.. you'll triple your parse instantly.
So the two beams is because this is a scrap build so far. I didn't have enough turrets but I did have 2 omnis.
I went with exceed limits because it's a firing haste ability and works with the beams and the cannons. If you look I also have the trait for eptw to add a damage boost and cycle haste.
And as I stated before exceed limits shares a cd with other energy weapon abilities.
The torp is there for the 2 pice lukari damage bonus
The ship is pretty maneuverable. I wasn't originally going to keep the torp but honest I can get it on target pretty fast and the omni directional energy dmage I'd gaid from another turret probably wouldn't cover the loss of the set bonus.
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I am aware which is why I proposed removing it. I know that firing cycle haste is nice, and it sounds like it would be a strong ability, but it's an ability that doesn't perform well.. at all. Which is why you never see anyone using it.
Overall though, it's all good.. if you like the build as it is then that is the most important thing. I was under the impression you were looking for build advice so I offered some suggestions.. the most important thing is that you are happy with the build. I would do it differently, which is fine for me.
> I am aware which is why I proposed removing it. I know that firing cycle haste is nice, and it sounds like it would be a strong ability, but it's an ability that doesn't perform well.. at all. Which is why you never see anyone using it.
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> Overall though, it's all good.. if you like the build as it is then that is the most important thing. I was under the impression you were looking for build advice so I offered some suggestions.. the most important thing is that you are happy with the build. I would do it differently, which is fine for me.
No worries, I'm on mobile atm so I'm probably coming off a bit terse due to lazyness.
If I keep upgrading the equipment then I may change it. As stated before it was all stuff I had laying about, which is why there's only 5 turrets. Who needs more than 3 usually? I'd have to go buy mas3 and nsb, maybe even get the 2 heavy polaron turrets, gamma rep and the chronometric polaron has one I believe.
Do the crafted abilities share cd with the player ones? Like, if I get a bunch of turrets with [rapid] would that interfere with a csv?
I have never run with more than one before.
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No, weapon mods do not conflict with bridge officer powers, you could run Rapid Turrets without effecting cool down on Rapid Fire.