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foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 2,482 Arc User
Stats for the next legendary bundle ship revealed. Surprise, its the Excelsior.

https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/11483583

Overall its hard to argue with Miracle worker. They did make it a slower, more sluggish ship, knocking down its impulse modifier, turn rate, and inertia. The pilot seating can largely fix that, though. And it has uni BOFF slots now, meaning not having to run 3 engineers (you want 4 instead.)
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  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,724 Arc User
    Well, they actually made it decently useable.. at a 25k zen pricepoint.
  • chastity1337chastity1337 Member Posts: 1,608 Arc User
    Oy, the Excelsior is so fugly. Why would anyone pay good money for that thing?
  • thegrandnagus1thegrandnagus1 Member Posts: 5,167 Arc User
    Oy, the Excelsior is so fugly. Why would anyone pay good money for that thing?

    I'm going to assume you mean the variant in the pics I just posted, because the actual Excelsior is one of the most beautiful ships in Trek and if you disagree you clearly need your eyes checked :p
    JK of course, taste is obviously subjective.... except in this case :p

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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 7,058 Arc User

    It leaked months ago in the ship requisition vendor on one of the console versions, I had assumed it would be an individual Legendary release until the 2021 Legendary Bundle of TRIBBLE was revealed to be half Fed instead of all Klingon.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    I find it interesting that they made a 2250s model. While I can't see how the Deflector Dish looks... it does actually fit the DSC asthetic very well.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 7,058 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    I find it interesting that they made a 2250s model. While I can't see how the Deflector Dish looks... it does actually fit the DSC asthetic very well.

    A TOS version would have looked better imo, and this is coming from someone who hates the TOS aesthetics.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    Well its possible she'll have access to the Type 0 hull material, so... might be able to kitbash a TOS style?
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  • foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    I find it interesting that they made a 2250s model. While I can't see how the Deflector Dish looks... it does actually fit the DSC asthetic very well.

    Yeah it looks like they did a good job with it. Too bad ST:D aesthetics are incredibly ugly almost universally.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    DSC Connie is actually good though. And the Fed ships have generally fit in very well with the established Fed design styles.

    As for a kitbash of the Excelsior to look more TOS... without seeing more angles of the secondary hull best I can come up with is using the standard Excelsior saucer, the Repulse nacelles and pylons, maybe the standard Excelsior hull and neck, and Type 0 Hull Material. Could substitute the Excelsior saucer for the Repulse.

    Like I said, I'd have to see more angles of the secondary hull, and probably play around with it myself someday.
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 7,058 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    DSC Connie is actually good though.
    I like most of the DSC Fed ships myself.

    The TOS aesthetic always looked... cheapish(not in the normal it was the 60s and everything looked cheap on TOS because it was) but rather everything looked like a toy that should break apart the moment it got into battle. Not to mention the TOS Connie being a giant deathtrap due to how poorly designed every aspect of the ship was, and most other TOS designs having similar problems because they were all based on the Connie which is like... the only Federation ship was saw in TOS.

    The DSC ships actually look like something someone built as something intended to not blow up the moment you sneeze at it, and generally fix many of the design issues I have with the Connie, and other similarly inspired TOS era ships.

    I've also always like the Excelsior because it was pretty much the Connie, but if the Connie was fixed to not be a giant flying metal deathtrap.

    The DSC Connie is nice as a visual reboot of the Connie that make it look less like a giant metal deathtrap, and more like a functional piece of science.

    If it wasn't for the Disco nacelle design I would probably love those ships, but the nacelles are just god awful. I agree though that the TOS designs look extremely cheap and cheesy, the Disco connie is perfect imo but otherwise I hate both the Disco and the TOS ship design. I've seen a few fan concepts for a TOS era Excelsior though and most of those ideas look better than this Disco inspired Excelsior.
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  • foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    Yeah I agree with the Discoprise, that ship looks really good. The difference between that one and the rest is the really ugly blocky hard angles and sharp edges on so many of the other ST:D ships. It is basically like the difference between the F-117 vs the B-2 stealth bombers.
  • mattingly1mattingly1 Member Posts: 206 Arc User
    edited January 2021
    Oy, the Excelsior is so fugly. Why would anyone pay good money for that thing?

    I'm going to assume you mean the variant in the pics I just posted, because the actual Excelsior is one of the most beautiful ships in Trek and if you disagree you clearly need your eyes checked :p
    JK of course, taste is obviously subjective.... except in this case :p

    This. Seriously. It's some of Trek's best work - a timeless, classic, instantly-recognizable design, that the showrunners were clearly as in love with as (most of) the fans are.

    Also, to people criticizing the TOS designs - the TOS ships look like what they were intended to look like: utilitarian. See, there's this notion (and not a new one) that an object (particularly a working, man-made creation [though this can equally apply to your average, say, tree]) derives its beauty - not from trying to look beautiful - but from being what it needs to be in order to function. This is perhaps best exemplified by a typical North American steam locomotive - it's harsh, bare-bones, and yet a beautiful symphony of moving parts, smells, and noises:

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    Another good example of this is the dreadnought or battlecruiser of the early 20th Century. By this time, nearly all of the gilding and sternwork that were applied to men-of-war had been dropped: the modern battleship was unadorned, brutish, terrifying, and... well... striking. It wasn't trying to win any beauty contests, but it wound up being pretty in spite of that:

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    This thought - that function is more important than form, and that beauty would inherently follow - still governed U.S. naval design in the 1960s, and the TOS Enterprise was patterned around that: it was grey, it had (mostly) stark lines (except the roundness of the saucer, nacelles, although these contours were derived from logical geometry), its only adornment was lighting from windows... it was pretty when it wasn't really trying to be.

    Ironically, Excelsior probably marked the start of the trend away from that theory (the designers were admittedly trying to make it look new and fast), though it didn't fully take hold until the Enterprise D. Here you have a vessel that - from the outset - was designed, not as a ship of war (or a product of basic military thinking), but as a piece of eye candy. We can debate the merits of the D's design all day (I personally think it's an abomination), but nothing about those swept, graceful, flowing lines was anything but unnecessary whimsy. And the ships that followed (the E, the F, most of the Sector 001 designs) just made that trend worse. Starfleet vessels changed from being objects that were pretty in spite of themselves to ridiculous modern art - impractical sculptures that would have made everything from repair to deck configuration a completely nightmare were they designed IRL.

    Again, I'm not denying that some of you may just eat these designs up, but rather explaining that there is a reason that the TOS ships look so different (and a reason why they have remained timeless, while something like the Sovereign class will be almost completely forgotten by anyone outside the fandom within our lifetimes).
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  • fleetcaptain5#1134 fleetcaptain5 Member Posts: 5,051 Arc User
    Looks delicious.

    I'm not sure I'll buy it though. I ended up not using the two constitutions from the previous anniversary legendary pack, just like the legendary Galaxy. I've only used the pets from one of the ships, a couple of traits and some consoles.

    The traits and consoles of this ship don't seem too interesting.

    Nice ship, but probably not worth the money.
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  • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,668 Arc User
    MEh, I prefer the TOS style, don't like the Disco style...

    TOS to me looks mega advanced...smooth, sleek, and simple. Disco looks too gnarly, and they all look like they are made of steel or copper.

    Anyhow, I got the repulse, don't need a legendary. :)
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  • mattingly1mattingly1 Member Posts: 206 Arc User
    And I want to add to the chorus that the Disco nacelles look like garbage.
  • spiritbornspiritborn Member Posts: 4,435 Arc User
    edited January 2021
    If it wasn't for the Disco nacelle design I would probably love those ships, but the nacelles are just god awful. I agree though that the TOS designs look extremely cheap and cheesy, the Disco connie is perfect imo but otherwise I hate both the Disco and the TOS ship design. I've seen a few fan concepts for a TOS era Excelsior though and most of those ideas look better than this Disco inspired Excelsior.
    The Discovery nacelle design makes more sense IMO. Especially when you look at things like the ENT-A, or the Miranda class, they both have rectangular nacelles. The only difference is that the Discovery ones are flat, but the ENT-A and the Miranda have them on the side.

    It flows better as a design progression then the circular ones of the TOS Connie, and other TOS inspired ships.
    With the Connie it still makes a degree of sense seeing it's a 2240s design, in fact you could justify the TOS inspired ships that way.

    Following the War with the Klingons, Starfleet would revert to an older style of Nacelles when rebuilding, so that they can use more mature and reliable technology after all they seem like refinement of the nacelles on the NX, the DSC style nacelles aren't fully abandoned but they're developed in the backround into the nacelles we see in the movies.

    Sure this is headcanon/speculation but it makes sense to me.
  • doctorstegidoctorstegi Member Posts: 1,235 Arc User
    edited January 2021
    Is that a copy and paste of the Sovereign? Miracle Worker + Pilot? While I don't think that Pilot makes any sense on any of these cruisers. The BO layout is good for a tank but for not much else. They kept the 4/4 which for me is another negative. All over 2 out of 4 disappointing ships so far. I'm sure they were pretty lazy with the other two as well. For the price they are asking for it so far its a joke and the only maybe decent thing is the Starship Trait from the BoP, however that remains to be seen what kind of values are on it.
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  • fallenkezef#4581 fallenkezef Member Posts: 644 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    rattler2 wrote: »
    DSC Connie is actually good though.
    I like most of the DSC Fed ships myself.

    The TOS aesthetic always looked... cheapish(not in the normal it was the 60s and everything looked cheap on TOS because it was) but rather everything looked like a toy that should break apart the moment it got into battle. Not to mention the TOS Connie being a giant deathtrap due to how poorly designed every aspect of the ship was, and most other TOS designs having similar problems because they were all based on the Connie which is like... the only Federation ship was saw in TOS.

    The DSC ships actually look like something someone built as something intended to not blow up the moment you sneeze at it, and generally fix many of the design issues I have with the Connie, and other similarly inspired TOS era ships.

    I've also always like the Excelsior because it was pretty much the Connie, but if the Connie was fixed to not be a giant flying metal deathtrap.

    The DSC Connie is nice as a visual reboot of the Connie that make it look less like a giant metal deathtrap, and more like a functional piece of science.

    Agreed.

    And the DSC quickly became my second favourite Trek ship of all time. She's an absolutely beauty in my eyes.

    I prefer Klingon ships but I have to agree. Both the Connie and D7 in season 2 where the best of breed for both designs.

    I actualy love the Excelsior for many of the same reasons Som does. I like my ships to look practical, which is why I tend to favour the Klingon designs (they look like proper warships). That and it was Sulu's command in one of my favourite Star Trek movies.

    If I had to pick a fave Feddybear it'd be Archer's NX Enterprise.

  • foppotee#4552 foppotee Member Posts: 1,704 Arc User
    From the screenshots the Repulse ship-skin looks good & it's a MW so that's good.

    Worth noting the Transwarp Computer console can be used by any ship but the Tactical Maneuvering Matrix can only be used by an Excelsior variant.

    A bit interesting that 1 of the ship-skins shares the class name: Sao Paulo with the Defiant-class. Oh yeah, now I see the resemblance. :-)

    Overall though still "repulsed" by this laughable legendary bundle.

    That B'rel opening act was just pitiful & the lack of interest shined through imo by Cryptic.
  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 6,085 Arc User
    edited January 2021
    spiritborn wrote: »
    If it wasn't for the Disco nacelle design I would probably love those ships, but the nacelles are just god awful. I agree though that the TOS designs look extremely cheap and cheesy, the Disco connie is perfect imo but otherwise I hate both the Disco and the TOS ship design. I've seen a few fan concepts for a TOS era Excelsior though and most of those ideas look better than this Disco inspired Excelsior.
    The Discovery nacelle design makes more sense IMO. Especially when you look at things like the ENT-A, or the Miranda class, they both have rectangular nacelles. The only difference is that the Discovery ones are flat, but the ENT-A and the Miranda have them on the side.

    It flows better as a design progression then the circular ones of the TOS Connie, and other TOS inspired ships.
    With the Connie it still makes a degree of sense seeing it's a 2240s design, in fact you could justify the TOS inspired ships that way.

    Following the War with the Klingons, Starfleet would revert to an older style of Nacelles when rebuilding, so that they can use more mature and reliable technology after all they seem like refinement of the nacelles on the NX, the DSC style nacelles aren't fully abandoned but they're developed in the backround into the nacelles we see in the movies.

    Sure this is headcanon/speculation but it makes sense to me.

    It may not quite as "headcanon" as you may think. Roddenberry often called the ship a heavily armored (but fast moving) "wartime build", and the first series bible described the recent history of the show as being roughly similar to that of the 20th century in the placement of wars and such (that was done to bring writers up to speed quickly without pages and pages of background material). That places a major war (the WWII analog) during the late 2230s to mid 2240s which makes the 2245 official build date of the TOS Enterprise perfectly positioned for that (and Burnham's war would fit neatly as the Korean conflict analog).

    And a wartime build tends to favor expediency and function over needless decoration. For instance, round nacelles are far simpler to armor, all you need for it are identical "C" shaped sections were the inboard grilles are and "O" shaped ones for the rest (plus the stuff on the ends of the tubes like the Bussards and rear end caps of course, and if they are molded instead of rolled it might be advantageous to have some sections with the holes for the intercooler tubes from the start instead of cut in later as well).

    And they make numerous reference in the episodes to the fact that their warp engines were a new advancement when the ship was built (some took that as meaning warp itself was only recently invented, but nowadays it is obvious that they meant something else) so they probably did not have any of those particular type already built to fancier aesthetics so they probably used whatever configuration they could build from scratch the fastest without compromising the reliability and performance of the engines.
  • joshmauljoshmaul Member Posts: 519 Arc User
    Overall though still "repulsed" by this laughable legendary bundle.

    That B'rel opening act was just pitiful & the lack of interest shined through imo by Cryptic.

    I agree. The fact that they advertised a "Year of Klingon" and then slap Fed ships into the pack with them... and on top of it, the "legendary skin" for the first Fed ship is a hideous desecration.
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  • kiralynkiralyn Member Posts: 1,576 Arc User
    Blah, Excelsior. Soooooo ugly, ungainly, awkward looking, mis-proportioned, etc. I've thought it was super-ugly since I first saw it in the movie.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    edited January 2021
    The Excelsior and the Sovereign remain my 2 favorite cannon ship designs.. I just love them both.

    This ship looks great, the stats are nice and it can use the classic Excelsior Skin. (I like DISCO era ships, but I don't like the new Excelsior skin... bleh.)

    Sadly though, as with many desirable items in this game it's locked behind some type of wall where I have to spend an exorbitant amount of money on other things I don't want or need in order to get it. So as good as this looks.. sadly it's a pass. It's fine though, I already have more ships then 11 characters can possibly fly anyway. :lol:
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  • fallenkezef#4581 fallenkezef Member Posts: 644 Arc User
    The Excelsior and the Sovereign remain my 2 favorite cannon ship designs.. I just love them both.

    This ship looks great, the stats are nice and it can use the classic Excelsior Skin. (I like DISCO era ships, but I don't like the new Excelsior skin... bleh.)

    Sadly though, as with many desirable items in this game it's locked behind some type of wall where I have to spend an exorbitant amount of money on other things I don't want or need in order to get it. So as good as this looks.. sadly it's a pass. It's fine though, I already have more ships then 11 characters can possibly fly anyway. :lol:

    I feel that, found myself just having a few favourites and so many collecting dust in dry dock

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  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 2,717 Bug Hunter
    edited February 2021
    Oy, the Excelsior is so fugly. Why would anyone pay good money for that thing?

    I'm going to assume you mean the variant in the pics I just posted, because the actual Excelsior is one of the most beautiful ships in Trek and if you disagree you clearly need your eyes checked :p
    JK of course, taste is obviously subjective.... except in this case :p

    Well you may just be right, and I own both the T5 and the T6 Variant of course.
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    rattler2 wrote: »
    I find it interesting that they made a 2250s model. While I can't see how the Deflector Dish looks... it does actually fit the DSC asthetic very well.

    Yes I also thought the DSC asthetic is very well done, and too bad they didn't show the deflector.

    Sorry, just trying to get the images back to Star trek a bit. :)
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  • nikephorusnikephorus Member Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    Sadly though, as with many desirable items in this game it's locked behind some type of wall where I have to spend an exorbitant amount of money on other things I don't want or need in order to get it. So as good as this looks.. sadly it's a pass. It's fine though, I already have more ships then 11 characters can possibly fly anyway. :lol:

    Excelsior is my favorite Star Trek ship, BUT I don't really want all the other ships in the pack nor the other random junk they shoved in there to bloat the price. I'm going to have to pass on this as well. If it was a standalone ship I'd consider it, but not like this.
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