Aakar being Gowron's grandfather feels like they've missed a generation. Aakar was sent forward from 2256 meaning M'Rel would have to have been at least conceived in that year too. Either M'Rel was in his 70s when he had Gowron or Gowron was much older than he appeared.
Considering Kor, Kang, and Koloth were still alive a good century after their appearances in TOS, it's not out of the question. Klingons appear to have lifespans somewhere between humans and Vulcans.
Considering Kor, Kang, and Koloth were still alive a good century after their appearances in TOS, it's not out of the question. Klingons appear to have lifespans somewhere between humans and Vulcans.
The maximum or average age of Klingons isn't that important though. The most relevant factor is: at what age can they still reproduce?
Considering that there are men in the real world who still reproduced when they were over 70, it wouldn't be that strange.
In-universe, Riker's and Troi's daughter was born near the end of the 24th century according to MA. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kestra_Troi-Riker
If she was born like four years after her brother, William would have been 50. But he could easily have been near his 60s if Kestra was in fact born a few years later. So even if Klingons don't reproduce until they're much older compared to humans, canon and the real world still suggest that it is easily possible for Gowron to be the grandchild of M'Rel.
I agree that it would have been better to add at least a generation though, to make things more believable. But who knows what the reasons of the writers were.
Honestly to me it's only an issue if we assume Gowron was an only child, it's not at all unreasonable to assume that M'Rel had other children older then Gowron who died before him.
After all M'Rel would have been either a member of House Mo'kai, member of his mother's House or a member of a House he personally founded so he would have been a member of the Klingon Nobility and thus having a living heir would be absolutely vital to him and IIRC for human men there's no age limit as to how old you can be to conceive a child, unlike women have, so I'd suspect there wouldn't be one for Klingon males either.
The 10th President of the United States, John Tyler, who was born in 1790, has one grandson still alive today, over 230 years later, so, yeah, it's not so terribly unbelievable.
Edit: To make this more of an analog to Gowron's situation, that man's father would have been 111, approximately the same amount of time between Aakar's disappearance and when we first see Gowron, in 1964. His still-living son would have been 36 that year, still in the prime of his life.
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This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
Considering Kor, Kang, and Koloth were still alive a good century after their appearances in TOS, it's not out of the question. Klingons appear to have lifespans somewhere between humans and Vulcans.
The maximum or average age of Klingons isn't that important though. The most relevant factor is: at what age can they still reproduce?
Considering that there are men in the real world who still reproduced when they were over 70, it wouldn't be that strange.
In-universe, Riker's and Troi's daughter was born near the end of the 24th century according to MA. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kestra_Troi-Riker
If she was born like four years after her brother, William would have been 50. But he could easily have been near his 60s if Kestra was in fact born a few years later. So even if Klingons don't reproduce until they're much older compared to humans, canon and the real world still suggest that it is easily possible for Gowron to be the grandchild of M'Rel.
I agree that it would have been better to add at least a generation though, to make things more believable. But who knows what the reasons of the writers were.
Biologically human men can always reproduce regardless of age. I mean technically, the sperm cells will always be good, but at advanced ages the risk of complications with pregnancy can increase. But yeah if Klingons are like humans in that regard then sure its possible for them to have kids at old age.
Klingons are exceptionally tough, with numerous redundancies in their bodies it's not unreasonable thus that while human women hit menopause in their 50s and 60s, klingon women remain fertile longer
Klingons are exceptionally tough, with numerous redundancies in their bodies it's not unreasonable thus that while human women hit menopause in their 50s and 60s, klingon women remain fertile longer
Or, as in the case of John Tyler and his descendants that I mentioned above, there is always the possibility of a first wife dying, then her widower remarrying to a much younger woman and having children with her, which happened to both President Tyler and his second-youngest son from that second marriage, Lyon Tyler.
This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
Klingons are exceptionally tough, with numerous redundancies in their bodies it's not unreasonable thus that while human women hit menopause in their 50s and 60s, klingon women remain fertile longer
Or, as in the case of John Tyler and his descendants that I mentioned above, there is always the possibility of a first wife dying, then her widower remarrying to a much younger woman and having children with her, which happened to both President Tyler and his second-youngest son from that second marriage, Lyon Tyler.
Yeah with Klingon culture being what it is, it's not unreasonable to assume M'Rel had more then 1 wife, to make sure he'd have a living heir to pass his lands and titles to. We're not talking about some random no-body but a member of a Great House.
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The maximum or average age of Klingons isn't that important though. The most relevant factor is: at what age can they still reproduce?
Considering that there are men in the real world who still reproduced when they were over 70, it wouldn't be that strange.
In-universe, Riker's and Troi's daughter was born near the end of the 24th century according to MA.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kestra_Troi-Riker
If she was born like four years after her brother, William would have been 50. But he could easily have been near his 60s if Kestra was in fact born a few years later. So even if Klingons don't reproduce until they're much older compared to humans, canon and the real world still suggest that it is easily possible for Gowron to be the grandchild of M'Rel.
I agree that it would have been better to add at least a generation though, to make things more believable. But who knows what the reasons of the writers were.
After all M'Rel would have been either a member of House Mo'kai, member of his mother's House or a member of a House he personally founded so he would have been a member of the Klingon Nobility and thus having a living heir would be absolutely vital to him and IIRC for human men there's no age limit as to how old you can be to conceive a child, unlike women have, so I'd suspect there wouldn't be one for Klingon males either.
Edit: To make this more of an analog to Gowron's situation, that man's father would have been 111, approximately the same amount of time between Aakar's disappearance and when we first see Gowron, in 1964. His still-living son would have been 36 that year, still in the prime of his life.
Biologically human men can always reproduce regardless of age. I mean technically, the sperm cells will always be good, but at advanced ages the risk of complications with pregnancy can increase. But yeah if Klingons are like humans in that regard then sure its possible for them to have kids at old age.
Or, as in the case of John Tyler and his descendants that I mentioned above, there is always the possibility of a first wife dying, then her widower remarrying to a much younger woman and having children with her, which happened to both President Tyler and his second-youngest son from that second marriage, Lyon Tyler.
Yeah with Klingon culture being what it is, it's not unreasonable to assume M'Rel had more then 1 wife, to make sure he'd have a living heir to pass his lands and titles to. We're not talking about some random no-body but a member of a Great House.