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As I'm refining 8,000 Dilithium per day, I'm putting on the Exchange an offer for 25 Dilithium per Zen. Unfortunately, however, I haven't seen so far that anyone is accepting the offer; so if anyone among you is willing to help me with this problem, please do.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    Right now, you are offering to buy 1 Zen for 25 Dilithium.

    The current price for 1 Zen is 480 Dilithium. Why would anyone sell you 1 Zen for only 25? If you want to buy Zen you have to offer at least somewhere near the market value. Right now you're asking people to give you Zen practically for free.

    No one is going to take that deal.
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  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,924 Arc User
    As I'm refining 8,000 Dilithium per day, I'm putting on the Exchange an offer for 25 Dilithium per Zen. Unfortunately, however, I haven't seen so far that anyone is accepting the offer; so if anyone among you is willing to help me with this problem, please do.

    That's what I put up there when I don't want anyone to buy it. I'm transferring it between toons.
    Now a LTS and loving it.
    Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    No one will buy at 25/1.
    People use 25/1 to transfer DL around their account to characters that need it.

    The closest we EVER got to 25/1 was back when Starbases were still new. We got down to like 87/1.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • tom61stotom61sto Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    Just a note, even if someone were to put 25 in the Buy Dilithium screen, it'd give them the highest Sell tab offer instead of the many many listings at that 25 price (as stated above, it's handy for transferring Dil between chars).
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  • Right now, you are offering to buy 1 Zen for 25 Dilithium.

    The current price for 1 Zen is 480 Dilithium. Why would anyone sell you 1 Zen for only 25? If you want to buy Zen you have to offer at least somewhere near the market value. Right now you're asking people to give you Zen practically for free.

    No one is going to take that deal.

    Too bad.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    Think of it this way. 1 Zen is the equivelent of one American Cent (I won't assume you to be American just to be on the safe side). At 25/1, you're basically asking for about... $3.20 per character. Just for capping out your daily refinement. That adds up the more characters you rotate through Admiralty.

    I routinely rotate 7 characters every day. If I was to cap all 7 in one day, I would be earning enough to dang near get a T5 ship every day at 25/1. Math says 7 characters X 320 Zen = 2240 Zen at 25/1. There's no way anyone is going to basically give away a T5 ship's worth of Zen.

    The DL Exchange is player driven, and works on the idea of Supply and Demand. When one side or the other becomes more desirable, then the Exchange rates fluctuate to reflect that.

    When a new C-Store item comes out, the price of Zen generally goes up because it is more in demand, and more people are actually buying what they can and depleting the lower cost supply. However, when Dilithium becomes more in demand, such as during Phoenix Events, the Zen prices go down because people want more Dilithium.

    Also... generally the more DL on the market, the less its worth, the higher the Zen prices. The more Zen on the market, the less that's worth in Dilithium.

    I'm not an Economics major or anything. Hell... I never even studied Economics. But I've worked the Exchange for years now and am familiar with how it works and how players tend to react to stimulus from Cryptic in the form of events and sales.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
    normal text = me speaking as fellow formite
    colored text = mod mode
  • daimon97daimon97 Member Posts: 373 Arc User
    echatty wrote: »
    As I'm refining 8,000 Dilithium per day, I'm putting on the Exchange an offer for 25 Dilithium per Zen. Unfortunately, however, I haven't seen so far that anyone is accepting the offer; so if anyone among you is willing to help me with this problem, please do.

    That's what I put up there when I don't want anyone to buy it. I'm transferring it between toons.

    NO THE GRAND SECRET IS REVEALED!
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    daimon97 wrote: »
    NO THE GRAND SECRET IS REVEALED!

    Pretty sure Cryptic has known of this practice since the Exchange was created, and they may even use it themselves.
    Think there was talk on one of the livestreams one time of exploring options to make an easier method of transferring DL across an account, kinda like how we can deposit ECs into our account bank.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
    normal text = me speaking as fellow formite
    colored text = mod mode
  • startrek414347#9616 startrek414347 Member Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited November 2020
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    > @startrek414347#9616 said:
    > (Quote)
    >
    > Too bad.

    Why? Because nobody wants to be ripped off by you offering 5% of the going rate? Talk about egocentric behavior.

    I need no starship to use other than my present one, which is T6-X material. Yet it features variants and schemes I have to buy with Zen I absolutely don't have. The offers for Zen on the Exchange, however, are for too much Dilithium to get bundles of it at present; and to me, that is a problem.
  • crm14916crm14916 Member Posts: 1,545 Arc User
    I’m not 100% certain, of course... but I think the OP was joking... and all of you fell for it... lol

    CM
    "Equipped with his five senses, man explores the universe around him and calls the adventure science." - Edwin Hubble
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  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    edited November 2020
    crm14916 wrote: »
    I’m not 100% certain, of course... but I think the OP was joking... and all of you fell for it... lol

    CM

    Hehe no. He is just new like you and me once were and needs our help. :)
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  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    crm14916 wrote: »
    I’m not 100% certain, of course... but I think the OP was joking... and all of you fell for it... lol

    CM

    Hehe no. I is just new like you and me once were and needs our help. :)
    daimon97 wrote: »
    echatty wrote: »
    As I'm refining 8,000 Dilithium per day, I'm putting on the Exchange an offer for 25 Dilithium per Zen. Unfortunately, however, I haven't seen so far that anyone is accepting the offer; so if anyone among you is willing to help me with this problem, please do.

    That's what I put up there when I don't want anyone to buy it. I'm transferring it between toons.

    NO THE GRAND SECRET IS REVEALED!

    I once thought that too but considering that this workaround is available for a decade or so I think @echatty may spread the news! :p
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    felisean wrote: »
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    > @startrek414347#9616 said:
    > (Quote)
    >
    > Too bad.

    Why? Because nobody wants to be ripped off by you offering 5% of the going rate? Talk about egocentric behavior.

    I need no starship to use other than my present one, which is T6-X material. Yet it features variants and schemes I have to buy with Zen I absolutely don't have. The offers for Zen on the Exchange, however, are for too much Dilithium to get bundles of it at present; and to me, that is a problem.

    I don't think you understand how the exchange works.

    Right now, 1 Zen will get someone around 480 Refined Dilithium. You are trying to sell only 25 Dilithium for 1 Zen. You say "Too bad" as if you are offering a good deal, when it is actually a total rip-off, because you are thinking about it backwards.

    Think of it like this: Say a Zen is equal to a dollar and Dilithium is gumballs.

    Right now, if someone puts a dollar in the gumball machine, they get 480 gumballs

    Your gumball machine is set up so that if someone puts a dollar in they get 25 gumballs.

    So your gumballs are the absolute most expensive gumballs in the entire United Federation of Planets. Quark would be very proud of you, though.

    This is a good way to describe it, hopefully the OP takes this into consideration.

    OP, just remember that Cryptic is not setting the price.. not directly. The Zen you are offering to buy is Zen that other people have spent their money for so they are doing absolutely nothing wrong in asking the market value for it. There is nothing shady or 'wrong' happening, you're simply offering to buy something for far far less then what it's worth.
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  • daimon97daimon97 Member Posts: 373 Arc User
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    > @startrek414347#9616 said:
    > (Quote)
    >
    > Too bad.

    Why? Because nobody wants to be ripped off by you offering 5% of the going rate? Talk about egocentric behavior.

    I need no starship to use other than my present one, which is T6-X material. Yet it features variants and schemes I have to buy with Zen I absolutely don't have. The offers for Zen on the Exchange, however, are for too much Dilithium to get bundles of it at present; and to me, that is a problem.

    Make more characters. Earn dil and send that dil to your main char, the more alts you have the more dil you will farm. I farmed around 60k the other day, and I know farming much much more is possible if you know what you are doing
  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,924 Arc User
    [quote="peterconnorfirst;c-13635920"

    NO THE GRAND SECRET IS REVEALED![/quote]

    I once thought that too but considering that this workaround is available for a decade or so I think @echatty may spread the news! :p [/quote]

    Why, thank you. I will ;)
    Now a LTS and loving it.
    Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
    I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything. :D
  • nccmarknccmark Member Posts: 1,084 Arc User
    This post makes me think of a child offering one penny to the cashier for a box of Legos, and failing to understand why that is not acceptable.

    Thanks for the chuckle.
  • daimon97 wrote: »
    coldnapalm wrote: »
    > @startrek414347#9616 said:
    > (Quote)
    >
    > Too bad.

    Why? Because nobody wants to be ripped off by you offering 5% of the going rate? Talk about egocentric behavior.

    I need no starship to use other than my present one, which is T6-X material. Yet it features variants and schemes I have to buy with Zen I absolutely don't have. The offers for Zen on the Exchange, however, are for too much Dilithium to get bundles of it at present; and to me, that is a problem.

    Earn dil and send that dil to your main char

    How? I've never thought it possible to send Dilithium from one character to another. At this time, I only have one; but I will indeed make another . . . once I purchase a Lifetime Subscription for the program.
  • baucoinbaucoin Member Posts: 846 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    daimon97 wrote: »
    NO THE GRAND SECRET IS REVEALED!

    Pretty sure Cryptic has known of this practice since the Exchange was created, and they may even use it themselves.
    Think there was talk on one of the livestreams one time of exploring options to make an easier method of transferring DL across an account, kinda like how we can deposit ECs into our account bank.

    I wish they would go ahead and add Dilithium depositing to our account banks. Neverwinter used to have to use their exchange the same way with Astral Diamond between characters then finally they added the option to deposit them in the account bank. Makes things a WHOLE lot simpler.
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