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I have read a discussion short time ago , that many of the Klingone side are frustrated , that there are NO legendary ships for Klingon players ( Fed has 11 legendary ships ) , so many are thinking to leave the game .
Today , Friday primetime with Corvid 19 , in our armada with 3500 players , only 9 players where online at whole Armada !!!
Go to sectorspace in any quadrant , and mostly there is nothing to read in chat . Years ago people have discussed every time you go online .
Making new ship is OK , but please make the ships for all factions ; same work & more profit for PWE , and more blessed players for free .
Today , Friday primetime with Corvid 19 , in our armada with 3500 players , only 9 players where online at whole Armada !!!
Go to sectorspace in any quadrant , and mostly there is nothing to read in chat . Years ago people have discussed every time you go online .
Making new ship is OK , but please make the ships for all factions ; same work & more profit for PWE , and more blessed players for free .
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I agree to a point, but you also have to admit that a big part of the problem is majority of the new stuff is federation focused which also causes the imbalance of purchase powers. (been that way for years) If all the good ships are one faction with no balce on the others it will naturally draw more sales.
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Romulans have it even worse with 2 designs (one which is actually a klingon one) in TOS, 2 designs in the (pre-09) movies, 1(possibly 3) in TNG, 0 in DS9 or VOY and 1 in ENT, bringing it into a grand total of 8 and unlike klingons there's no rescales there.
Even if consider the different versions of the Connie to be 1 design and include only ships that had semi-signifigant screen time, TOS had 1, movies had 4, TNG 3 (at the very least), DS9 had at least 1, VOY had 3 and ENT had 3 (if we include only Starfleet designs). That 15 designs and I'm forgetting or ignoring loads due just how many UFP designs there were. For example I'm ignoring the Raven, also including only the Akira from the TNG era movies and ignoring DSC, PIC and LD totally for this part of the list.
The fact of the matter is that most canon Klingon and Romulan ships are in game already and if Cryptic wants to add new ships to those factions they have design them from scratch.
"A bit"... yeah. "A bit"... "A bit" that created a cycle:
- Feds gets more, because "the shows are told from a mostly Federation perspective", (newsflash: SW has always been shown mostly from the Rebellion/Republic/Jedi perspective, yet you don't see SWTOR neglecting their Imperial playerbase because of that now, do you?);
- Content for every other faction/subfaction is scarse (ships), or not really inclusive (any and all cross-faction storyline, if played with anything but a Federation character, will make you feel like a damn lapdog because there's not an ounce ackwnoledgment for your faction/subfaction);
- Feds draws even more attention because people want content and they have it;
- "The numbers don't justify us making this for this faction, because we've got a business to run";
- Feds gets more;
- Rinse and repeat.
I say this as a player of both factions: I realize that having equality would be impossible - we all know why and those that still insist that it's doable are lying to themselves, I'm afraid - but a bit more balance wouldn't hurt.
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
And since the end of the Iconian War which was tied to them for obvious reasons, they have become more and more irrelevant to the next plots.
And we were getting curbstomped with no significant progress until Starfleet Captain Nog found the Krenim.
Apart from Martok and Kurn leading strike forces, it's Kuumarke who was the most helpful during the Tzenkethi conflict due to her knowledge of protomatter.
lol, nope. We were getting our rumps kicked until Dukan'Rex saved the day with the help of Bashir and Garak. Martok just managed to help with stalling a bit longer until a solution was found.
DSC & TOS mini-factions, Fed missions remasters and mostly Fed-aligned canon characters being retconned into the story: "Are we jokes to you?!"
OK, now that's scraping the bottom of the barrel.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
Except that is not the case, not when they consistently release ships that only "blue" team can use.....
Fully agree with that, especially the last part about sense and logic
That is pretty much it in a nutshell. Cryptic (possibly based upon what they are allowed to offer within the licence) created the imbalance, but always choose to pretend that it's player based. This is a ridiculous idea!
If the two sides that can be allied with, Federation or Empire, had been treated equally; they would have data to base their current lopsided argument on. As is, they do not!
I have one legendary ship that came with their advance a romulan bundle. I honestly could not believe that many were willing to shell out the money that the ten ship bundle cost? But to each, his own.
You're the one keeping derailing threads, moving goalposts and ignoring parts of posts that inconvenience you and this is starting to get grating.
What does this even have to do with your original claim that "Saving Romulus was the big plan to win the Iconian War." I merely pointed out it wasn't. Absolutely nothing about the Federation and KDF.
It was Nog who discovered the Krenim rumors were true and made contact with them first. Replay the mission.
3 missions, wow, such massive content. And "Survivor" is mostly about fixing a long-lasting temporal anomaly caused by a Starfleet officer and Sela getting closure over her mother in the process.
Core of the Matter happens in the past and focuses on the Na'khul TRIBBLE the timeline up with the Romulans as pawns.
The Temporal Front is about forming a stronger alliance and the Romulans just provide the place. Most of it is focused on the assassination attempt on Okeg (and J'mpok, sorta, since it's barely brought up again, he doesn't even mention it in his debriefing and it's used as a distraction). D'Tan, Obisek or even Jarok aren't even considered targets. Then, the rest of the mission happens in the future with Walker and you against Vosk's troops.
That's like saying the Iconians are heavily featured in Surface Tension because M'tara shows up and kills the council. Ignoring most of the action is about and against the Undine, with M'Tara just showing up in the last cutscene just to spoil the party. She isn't even responsible for the cease-fire since the Federation and KDF were going for it anyway before she arrived. She just provided a very solid argument to any potential naysayer about this truce.
2 Klingons operating while J'mpok was all "well, if you find some fools for this crusade, go ahead, but you won't get assistance from me" until Martok got the idea to use the "Call for Gondor Beacon".
And here we go again with the insults, stop embarrassing yourself.
Especially jarring since I specifically pointed out he was responsible for stalling long enough to have the cure found.
True, they got more, like a recruitment event for TOS, several new ships with various skins and different tiers, new FX and weapons and new replay bonuses which benefited all characters on an account.
Feds got their tutorial revamped too. Several times, in fact, to add Nog and Quark in its latest update.
And the Klingons don't have 4 arcs anymore.
They have 3, including 1 that wasn't revamped outside of some VA and a better-looking Kahless before the YoK.
And STO is set after everything else we've seen, so they don't have to worry about anything that would come AFTER.
Not to mention that the entire point is MOOT, because SWTOR - like KotOR and KotOR 2 - was never canon.
Same as STO isn't.
And how is taking into account that "no, I'm not playing this as a federation/federation aligned character" impacting anything but player immersion?!
Ci sono tre tipi di giocatori:
- quelli a cui non va mai bene niente... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che sono talmente imbesuiti da credere a qualunque cosa i dev dicano, perfino che la luna è fatta di formaggio... e vanno sul forum a trollare;
- quelli che credono a quello a cui è giusto credere, sono d'accordo con quello con cui è giusto essere d'accordo e sono critici con quello che non va;
Ai giocatori dei primi due tipi, gratis in omaggio un bello specchio lucente su cui arrampicarsi. E una mazzata in testa per la loro poca intelligenza e compassione verso gli altri giocatori che non la pensano come loro.
Agli appartenenti al terzo tipo, invece, dico grazie. Anche se non sempre si riesce a mantenere la calma, siete quelli per cui vale la pena incazzarsi.
If you make balanc between all sides , then you also sell more ships fotm Kli/Rom/Dom .
for ex:
if i sell only food made out of meat , its no wonder that vegetables are not asked in thet shop !
OK , its more work for Cryptic to make 1 Ship with 4 models aroun , then only one . But my question : Why have you ever made more playable classes in STO ?
Like it or not, Trek has always been Fed centered and Fed focused. Klingons do get attention in the shows, but not to the degree the Feds do. There are also far more canon sources for Federation ships than there are Klingon ships. If Cryptic wants to create Klingon ships, they have to make them up largely after they've ran out of canon sources. Same thing goes for Romulans and everyone else. Until Trek itself decides to do a story focusing on Klingons to give us more Klingon content, it will always be Feds taking the lead.
I know folks don't want to hear that, but that's the truth of how things are at this time. I wouldn't mind seeing more KDF ships either, but for that to happen they either have to make it up at this point, or new canon sources have to be introduced. Cryptic again is also a business at the end of the day. If KDF ships don't sell that well, then they're not going to make as many KDF ships as they are federation. That's just basic business. Yeah it sucks if you like Klingon stuff, but it is what it is.
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While they didn't outright confirm it due to it being too early to announce, Kael and Bort said on stream yesterday that hypothetically if they were to release a Klingon Legendary bundle it would be when all the YoK updates are complete, so that players would have a fully remastered mission experience to play through with those Legendary ships.
We are NOT getting revamps, we are getting cut content.
I was actualy hopeful till they butchered the assault on mars mission. All they did was cut the mission size to make it shorter, less detailed and less enjoyable.
YoK is TRIBBLE quite frankly. It's not year of the klingon, it's just a new storyline that involves klingons.
And how many missions exactly were totally removed yet, with the claim two years prior that they will 'come back in some form at a later date'?
https://sto.gamepedia.com/Story_Arc:_Klingon_War/Removed_missions
The Federation side got the same cutting and streamlining about a year or two ago, and it was even worse on the cutting, they eliminated several iconic and well-liked plot lines such as the whole Spectres arc. So it is not like they are viciously chopping away Klingon content out of some sort of prejudice against it or whatever.