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T'Liss Temporal Warbird vs T'Liss Legendary Warbird
daimon97
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So I checked them both on the wiki. I am asking for the individual ships a-non torpedo boat version. Which ship will be superior in terms of DPS, and BOFF Layout, disregarding the fact that one is a box ship other is a zen store, which one would handle better for a cannon or beam escort and why?
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Temporal spec lets you use the reconfigure thing to change up your stats a bit. Not too crazy of a bonus but its a nice one, and if you decide to combine science and beams then the Temporal would be better since Temporal is a good complimentary spec for science.
The Legendary would still function well for this, but it suffers from a somewhat worse boff layout and Intel spec, of which there are only a couple of useful abilities and the ship ability is kind of useless.
Thank you so much for the feedback!
I don't chase DPS primarily, but someone who does and understands whatever the meta happens to be could compare the two and tell you more definitively.
In terms of the ship for what it is, enhanced battle cloaking with 1 more Sci console slot than the Faeht but no raider flanking like the B'Rel, it seems ideal for stealth torpedo bomber with science support (epg, drain, control). I'm not sure if temporal boff powers function while cloaked, but since my last comparison of stats, I'd choose the temporal T'Liss over the other two.
Having had a chance to play with the Legendary one, it's just what I expected: it's badly set up for serving its intended role, unlike the other two. Didn't even want to get it initially, but given how rare warbirds are, and how nice its new skin is (I don't like most TOS skins), settled for it and still searching for something about it to make it stand out from other escorts.
> Generally speaking, Promo ships are better than lockbox ships which are better than legendary ships, which are better than regular zen ships.
Somewhat incorrect There are many legendary ships better than lockbox or some promo ships.
Its on a case by case basis, some legendary ships are worse, and some are better, like the Legendary TOS Constitution is generally considered better than the promo one because of how powerful the MW spec is.
My legendary Intrepid would disagree
For me, on a ship like this I would prefer an Aux2Bat loadout in order to manage my power and cooldowns while doing the most damage possible. For this style of build, I would definitely prefer the Legendary Ship over the Temporal. Temporal Powers are great for exotic builds, but they are lackluster in Energy Weapon focused builds which is another area that the Legendary has the advantage with access to Override Subsystem Safeties from the Intel Spec. Yes, it's one of the only good Intel abilities, but it's still better then anything in the temporal spec for a pure energy weapon build. If you want to mix in torps or exotic damage, the Temporal Ship is going to start to pull ahead.
You could run the Temporal in a Half-Bat layout using Photonic Officer to help manage cooldowns and it would be a pretty nice layout overall, but if I have to choose between the two I go Legendary for a pure energy weapon build.
[Edit] I got the two ships backward, the Temporal one actually has the BoFF layout I like. While I still perfer Intel over Temporal abilities, the Temporal one has a slightly better BoFF layout for me.
If you go for the Legendary though, obviously.. buy it on sale.. the normal 12k Zen price is an absolute rip off and one of the worst deals in the game. Especially when compared to the current Federation Mirror Dreadnought deal which is actually a great value, especially at the sale price.
Agreed. It doesn't matter which place you've acquired the ship from, it's in how you view it and play. The differences are tiny.
In the case of the T'Liss however, I feel differently and prefer the Legendary. As already said though, this is based entirely on my personal build preference, the Legendary just accommodates my needs better then the Temporal.
When arguing Promo vs. Legendary ships, you're going to get different answers depending on who you ask and how they prefer to build. Each ship will be a different case, it's doubtful that everyone will agree on which one is best.
Indeed.
Sadly, whichever one you choose.. it's going to be expensive.
I looked at them both again, while I still like Intel better then Temporal abilities, I actually do prefer the BoFF layout of the Temporal over the Legendary.
The Legendary T'Liss is, in my opinion, the absolute worst deal you can get in this game. It's basically $120 for one ship with some throw in stuff that isn't worth $10. The Legendary Romulan Bundle honestly feels like an excuse for Cryptic to just be able to say they made a Legendary Romulan ship and it didn't sell.
That price would make Mudd cringe. If you compare it to the deal Feds got on the Mirror Dread (4500 Zen on sale) there is just no comparison.
Just save up EC and get the Temporal one.
Yup I hope there will be a Zen sale for R&D Promo box event soon XD
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> Yup I hope there will be a Zen sale for R&D Promo box event soon XD
I’d bet on Black Friday and holidays.
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hopefully
On the other hand the Legendary Intrepid feels a bit better than the C-Store one. *shrug*
4 higher quality seats are nice for having higher rank abilities, but one of those seats is a LtC Engi with no spec, which basically means you run A2Dampers, or A2B without EptE - meh. You also potentially lose out on an extra SRO. The Temporal is LESS flexible in terms of seating, imo.
Finally, the Legendary T'liss pack was incredible value at 6k zen, since it can go on any toon. It has singlehandedly made a huge number of C-Store/Fleet escorts obsolete across 3 factions. It has 5/2, more hull, speed, turn rate, an Enhanced Battle Cloak on top, and comes with a console that can go into virtually any build.
I bought the Temporal before the Legendary existed, and I regret it, heh.
I don't have either ship, so I keep going back and forth looking up the stats.
The extra seat for the Legendary is a pretty nice advantage, especially considering that it's a Romulan ship and most romulan players will use SRO's all around. For how I like to build, I can actually make both ships work quite well but having that extra Bridge Officer Station is a nice plus in favor of the Legendary.
At 6k Zen.. agreed.. it's a solid deal. At 12k Zen.. Cryptic is smoking crack. That regular price is WAY too high for a pack containing one Legendary Ship and some throw in items no one cares about. By comparison, the Mirror Dreadnought pack is 6k at normal price and was on sale for 4500 Zen. They really need to re-evaluate the pricing because at 6k Zen I think you would see a lot more of these ships.
If the Legendary was at 6k Zen, this discussion would be easy for me. Between the Legendary and the Temporal it would be Legendary all the way. My biggest issue with the Legendary is it's so inexcusably priced. It might be advisable to wait for a Black Friday Sale at the end of November and see how much it gets discounted.
and I think most ship sales go 20 to 25% discount out of that 12k and I believe i seen 30% a few times, but still the outcome will be well over 6k zen. Personally I believe cryptic should make a perm rule that Legendary ships, individually out of combo packs(like the 10 fed ones) should cost 6k base price, before discount, but it seems they will be unwilling to sell individual ships if we judge from the Fed 10th anniversary pack
Honestly I thought the Gal X was on sale at 6k at first. I expected the same awful pricing of the T'liss. I suspect, though, they know how well the T'liss actually sold and realized they went way too high. The Gal X is suddenly real common, so I wonder if they like its performance in the shop or whether they are going to put up the next single legendary ship at 9k full price or something.
You are correct, but the exception is usually the yearly 'Black Friday' sale the weekend after Thanksgiving. That is usually a 50% off sale.
I thought the same thing, when I saw 6k I thought it was a pretty good deal. Then I saw it was on sale for 4500 Zen and I was sold. It's basically a Legendary Ship for the normal 3k Zen and then 1500 Zen for some lobi stuff thrown in on top of all of it. It's one of the best deals I have seen them do and I REALLY hope that T'Liss gets a price adjustment to bring it more in line with this pack. You are right, you see Gal-X's everywhere now.. you hardly see any T'Liss.
Make a cannon build with 1 torpedo aboard. OSs 3 for the guns, concentrate firepower for the torp. Grav well for some cc. Depending on the budget perhaps an AP setup with the broken baul/kemo/lobi/Lorca stuff. Plasma will do too or play it save with the Polaron set from story.
If you have cold hearted available I’d go for aux to bat. If not you can consider the improved photonic officer for cooldowns.
Without MW stuff the ship might not end up to be the highest DPS machine but therefore it will be very versatile to fly. I’m sure it still gets 300k+ in ISE.
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Hmm would spiral wave disruptors still be valuable? I mostly use those but I suppose I can switch to AP if need be
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> Hmm would spiral wave disruptors still be valuable? I mostly use those but I suppose I can switch to AP if need be
Na of course spiral wave disruptors are not only viable but also top of the line.
If you have a build with those great guns available keep em pls.
Only consider a torpedo if you feel you can’t get the boff stations filled. On that ship you can do great setups with and without torpedos. If you have none and don’t need concentrate firepower the command ability rally point marker is als super good.
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