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J'ula's hypocrisy
westx211
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So I finally started the new mission after postponing doing it for a bit. The start was pretty bad (Implying we were going to instate J'Ula as chancellor, blegh I almost vomited in my mouth), but then I got to a part that made me cringe so hard that I felt physical pain. J'ula said and I quote "I am not one to hide behind my allies like J'mpok!". That is literally the only thing she has ever done. Every single opportunity she has had to do a straight fight she has fled like a coward and left her allies to fight in her place. In fact... if anything she has done it MORE than J'mpok does. This isn't even counting the part where she has commited war crimes and such.
I have to wonder, was this line intentional? Are the writers trying to make it obvious that she is a cowardly hypocrite? Or was this unintentional, as there have been many drastic changes to characters like J'mpok, and even J'ula to an extent ever since they started the "Year of Klingon" story.
I have to wonder, was this line intentional? Are the writers trying to make it obvious that she is a cowardly hypocrite? Or was this unintentional, as there have been many drastic changes to characters like J'mpok, and even J'ula to an extent ever since they started the "Year of Klingon" story.
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Coming from the 2250s, when the Empire was literally about to curbstomp the Federation, to the 25th Century, where the Federation is still very much intact, if not BIGGER. She saw this as a mistake, as the Empire SHOULD have won the war back in the 2250s. Hence her constant prodding about restarting the war so that it would "end as it should have". Like her brother, she believed in Klingon Supremacy. What she wasn't ready for was the mother of all reality checks to slam her in the face.
Aakar's betrayal and J'mpok's dishonorable actions at Kitomer changed the game for her. And when the truth finally was revealed, clearing not only J'Ula, but the player as well of the attack on Kitomer... the Great Houses just... nope'd out because they felt neither J'mpok or J'ula were worth anything anymore.
And J'ula got slapped with the realization that what her brother forged... she pretty much destroyed.
As for J'mpok... tension between J'mpok and Martok has been rising since we rescued him from House Torg's facility in the Briar Patch. While Martok had no political desires, I have no doubt J'mpok kept an eye on the former Chancellor because he was still a political threat to him. While content to let Martok play hero again, he was watching for anything that could threaten his position as Chancellor. That came when J'Ula kicked off the Civil War, and pointed out that J'mpok claimed the Chancellorship in a duel to the death... yet Martok, the previous, and rightful Chancellor of the Klingon Empire, was alive and well.
That instantly red flagged Martok for J'mpok. He just became the biggest threat to his power. As long as Martok lived, there was the chance that J'mpok would lose support. That HAD to be removed. Hence the events at Kitomer. Aakar backstabbing J'ula was a surprise that played right into J'mpok's hands.
I'd say despite her calling the alliance of the Great Houses T'kuvma's work it was L'Rell who was the true architect of the current version of the high council. Because of this J'ula doesn't really grasp the character of the Klingon people in the 25th century, as L'rell's reign gave the Klingons a sense of true Loyalty to the empire that didn't really exist in the mid 23rd century (aka before J'ula not pushed into the future).
I'm guessing the next few episodes will be J'ula learning that character of the Klingon people and helping the empire find its way again.
J'mpok always saw Martok as a threat, however, he lacked an 'honourable' reason he could sell to dispose of Martok with, hence that's exactly what J'mpok 'did', albiet lying about it. There's no way any Klingon would have accepted anything other than an 'honourable' excuse to turn the empire against Martok. Even the strictest of honour codes can be twisted against itself. It probably made his blood boil at seeing Martok arrive to help the 'Alliance' in the Hur'q War, disobeying him so.
As for J'ula, she's just a 'paper dragon'. She's as responsible for what happened as is J'mpok. All talk, lots of knowledge, but lacks the common sense and the ability to use it effectively.
To me, there's a difference between hiding behind allies and knowing when to retreat.
I'll give examples of hiding behind allies from TNG. When they had the whole Klingon civil war between House Duras and Gowron being named Chancellor, Gowron at first was on the front lines, where a chancellor has the best chance of losing his life, he was willing to show that he would defend his honor by being out on the front lines. However, the moment that the Dominion War happened, Gowron took a backseat and let Martok lead the Empire into battle. It got to the point Gowron felt like Martok was a political threat (much like a certain STO specific Chancellor now) and tried to make him look bad by sending him on impossible assignments. We know how he met his end, when Worf finally decides to do what no other Klingon did, challenge Gowron to a duel. He met his end with a bat'leth blade in his torso.
J'mpok is a case of the opposite of Gowron. Where Gowron was willing to work with the Federation as long as the situation was beneficial (Having strong allies is always a good thing for politics), J'mpok was willing to drop the Khitomer accords over the fact that the Federation didn't take the Undine threat seriously, especially when you consider that they have similar impersonating abilities as the Founders. It was only when the Iconians showed off their power that J'mpok's eyes were opened to the fact that The klingons would get no where if they were still at odds with the Federation who faced the same strong enemy.
J'mpok kept the alliance going for as long as he did because he saw fit that if Martok was willing to go to the frontlines to face threats, there would be no reason for him to have to worry since the fighting wasn't anywhere close to Qo'noS. Its only when J'Ula and the 23rd century displaced Klingons arrived that he saw that there was a threat to the empire. This we know was evident when she threatened the stability of the Empire by calling him weak for not making sure Martok was truly dead. J'mpok is the clear coward when he is handed a weapon that is capable of causing wide damage, decides to take advantage of that and wipe out J'Ula, Martok and the player, making it seem like they have turned against the alliance in the process.
With J'Ula, she was created with the intent to be the villain for the foreseeable future, so rather than her fighting to the end and have the arc end there, she realizes that she's not going to win this round so she retreats, ready to fight again the next encounter. Eventually we will have a conclusion to the arc.
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I am still trying to forget.. sicko!
What I find more baffling is this:
The very beginning of DIS, and several episodes of TNG (Sins of the father and Redemption in particular) kinda established that the unity of klingon houses is a very very fragile thing. DS9 also dealt with this topic, like when Worf retreived the SoK.
She just didn't expect that she too would be viewed in the same light, and thus... shatter the Empire since she was the one who made the weapon in the first place.
As for Martok... I think he was more concerned with the threat J'mpok posed at the time. Being a warrior and not a politician, he's a lot more practical. But since we really don't know what he was thinking, we'll have to wait for the next mission for his thoughts on the situation. My guess is that he's disappointed, but may have actually expected it.
Yeah but she should have been aware that it's also very well possible the exact opposite happens. She appropriated secret technologies, survived in a time that was mostly new to her, and now she's forgotten how klingons are deep-down just tribalists that only truly unify against larger threats?
Sure but most creatures are not logical, sure she was probably aware of the possibility at some level but too arrogant to truly accept it as something that could truly happen.