The real Endeavor is other people

predcon
predcon Member Posts: 477 Arc User
Something ain't right when the "challenge" is having to compete with everyone else to get some task done. Like this V-rex thing. Beat just one, sure. That pretty much means camping where they spawn and let everyone else do all the point capturing. Because you'll never get there in time before twenty other people wipe it out. And my god, the "Kill 60 Gorn on Nimbus" thing. Hope you like instance hopping.

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  • jonsills
    jonsills Member Posts: 9,728 Arc User
    Maybe the real Endeavor was the friends we made along the way...
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  • rattler2
    rattler2 Member Posts: 55,546 Community Moderator
    jonsills wrote: »
    Maybe the real Endeavor was the friends we made along the way...

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  • foxrockssocks
    foxrockssocks Member Posts: 2,481 Arc User
    Well there is a case to be made that a number of these endeavors are very poorly designed. Obviously the nimbus endeavors are really frustrating because there are only so many enemies and they take a while to respawn. Why also are the arthropod kills required double what the Gorn kills are? That can be fixed pretty easily by tweaking the numbers, though.

    The V-rex is a bigger design problem, but if they made it so you kill a V-rex or capture 3 points, that would be way less of a problem to complete.

    It isn't the players fault, though. Don't blame the player, blame the game.
  • rattler2
    rattler2 Member Posts: 55,546 Community Moderator
    Well there is a case to be made that a number of these endeavors are very poorly designed. Obviously the nimbus endeavors are really frustrating because there are only so many enemies and they take a while to respawn. Why also are the arthropod kills required double what the Gorn kills are? That can be fixed pretty easily by tweaking the numbers, though.
    One workaround, as I have been frustrated by that, is to find a less populated instance.
    The V-rex is a bigger design problem, but if they made it so you kill a V-rex or capture 3 points, that would be way less of a problem to complete.

    Might be doable, because as is I think it promotes camping the V-Rex more than actually participating. Someone in another thread advocated for having everyone beamed back to the base when the V-Rex phase starts so that no one can camp the V-Rex.
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  • villainvile
    villainvile Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    How about to couple the Rex universal endeavor with the kill 60 Voth in Dyson Zone very rare daily endeavor? So you must kill Voth to get the Rex.
  • rattler2
    rattler2 Member Posts: 55,546 Community Moderator
    Doesn't work that way. Endeavors aren't linked to each other to say "do this to unlock that". If they happen to line up, people would probably stick around for the universal if they happen to have another one in that zone. If not... they move on.
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  • ltminns
    ltminns Member Posts: 12,481 Arc User
    Anthropods need more because there are many more of them. It may take a few minutes if there are a bunch of other groups running around.

    Gorns can be done in just about one run through. Start from the back.

    The V-Rex is easy. I always go to the Outskirts and never take the 'Capture Two Points' Mission. Between the spawn at the Transporter, the 'Railroad Car' and the Artillery you can just about complete a Hard Voth Endeavor. Then head back to the Transporter and just around the corner is the V-Rex spawn.
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  • sheldonlcooper
    sheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    Anthropods need more because there are many more of them. It may take a few minutes if there are a bunch of other groups running around.

    Gorns can be done in just about one run through. Start from the back.

    The V-Rex is easy. I always go to the Outskirts and never take the 'Capture Two Points' Mission. Between the spawn at the Transporter, the 'Railroad Car' and the Artillery you can just about complete a Hard Voth Endeavor. Then head back to the Transporter and just around the corner is the V-Rex spawn.

    whaat? there aint that many gorns. I don't do that one anymore because it was taking 4 or 5 circuits around that whole back area. where you hiding these here gorns?
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  • anodynes
    anodynes Member Posts: 1,982 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    Anthropods need more because there are many more of them. It may take a few minutes if there are a bunch of other groups running around.

    There's also the fact that the arthropods are made of wet tissue paper, as opposed to the Gorns being made of standard, dry tissue paper. I just look in the general direction of an arthropod and it dies.

    There's some minor inconvenience with those two when they're Very Rare, but it generally comes out about the same in time spent doing it as a Very Rare for anything else at 30 needed.
    ltminns wrote: »
    Anthropods need more because there are many more of them. It may take a few minutes if there are a bunch of other groups running around.

    Gorns can be done in just about one run through. Start from the back.

    The V-Rex is easy. I always go to the Outskirts and never take the 'Capture Two Points' Mission. Between the spawn at the Transporter, the 'Railroad Car' and the Artillery you can just about complete a Hard Voth Endeavor. Then head back to the Transporter and just around the corner is the V-Rex spawn.

    whaat? there aint that many gorns. I don't do that one anymore because it was taking 4 or 5 circuits around that whole back area. where you hiding these here gorns?

    There are probably enough in the whole canyon for a Very Rare version if you happen to be there alone. Maybe a little more. About six per spawn, usually, and there are likely about a dozen spawn points throughout the entire area, not counting Hurlers. Getting the entire area to yourself would be the tricky part, of course.

    As far as V-Rexes go, I generally help out in the instance when it is possible/needed, but will make a beeline to the nearest silo when the zone is about one point away from them activating. It's rare that I need to try more than two times to get credit.
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  • seaofsorrows
    seaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,893 Arc User
    Nimbus endeavors should be removed.

    They are an unbelievable chore.. they're an automatic re-roll for me. The zone caps are too high, and it's too difficult to get into an instance where you can kill that many Gorn in any reasonable time frame.

    Most Endeavors I have no issue with.. the V-Rex one I just skip, the Universal isn't worth much anyway. But those stupid Nimbus ones have to go.. all they are is a reason to use a re-roll token.
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  • alcyoneserene
    alcyoneserene Member Posts: 2,412 Arc User
    Kill voth ships in dyson battlezone is often watching paint dry.

    I skip the ones requiring completing x TFOs of a certain type.

    Regenerate shields or health can sometimes be annoying, acid bathing on nukara.
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  • anodynes
    anodynes Member Posts: 1,982 Arc User
    The multiple TFOs of any one category are the only things that I re-roll. It just takes too long, even for the Borg ones. Even having ones that people consider tedious here, I'm generally done with them in about 30 minutes, which is about right for a few daily tasks, at least by my estimation.
    This is an MMO, not a Star Trek episode simulator. That would make for a terrible game.
  • chastity1337
    chastity1337 Member Posts: 1,568 Arc User
    where you hiding these here gorns?

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  • legendarylycan#5411
    legendarylycan#5411 Member Posts: 36,950 Arc User
    where you hiding these here gorns?

    Gornhub

    well, they're not exactly 'hiding' there, are they? everything is out on full display​​
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  • keepcalmchiveon
    keepcalmchiveon Member Posts: 4,008 Arc User
    i avoid some endeavors myself, but yesterday i went to nimbus and it was surprisingly easy to complete. i am chalking it up to good timing and nothing more. there were plenty of campers there, but they may have been afk or opted to let me run around a bit. either way, i got it done, but i agree with some of the above statements both for spawns and the system in general.
    overall, i do what i want, when i want, and its not a mandatory thing, or even geared towards a t6 or more high end reward, so i can dodge a few here and there if it suits me.
    meh

  • echatty
    echatty Member Posts: 5,719 Arc User
    Only ones I re-roll are do X TFOs on hard or medium. If I get the easy do X TFO then I'll do that since I only need one.

    Other than that, I will do most any other, when I'm playing the game, which I will be starting Friday (I always wait to start those things the day after maint).
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  • ltminns
    ltminns Member Posts: 12,481 Arc User
    I reroll all do more than one TFO, last weekend a Borg 2 TFO wouldn't reroll so I did do that.

    I reroll all Iconian and Lukari TFOs.

    I reroll all heal shields or hit points, Space or Ground.

    I reroll all Tzen'kethi Ground.

    I reroll H'urq Attendants Ground.
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  • poddli
    poddli Member Posts: 168 Arc User
    Hurq Attendants are a doddle. Do the mission Home, there are enough on the dreadnought for the hard endeavour. The space section gives enough targets for the other endeavour too. Tzenkethi ground - I got partway through Signs and Portents and just left the mission in my log. Transwarp there, beam down, shoot them and beam out, leaving the mission in limbo for next time.

    I reroll the TFO endeavours and ground healing stuff.
  • echatty
    echatty Member Posts: 5,719 Arc User
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    I don't mind doing 2 Borg TFOs, caught Disconnected adv and ISA pretty quickly and got that endeavor and shoot x Borg ships at the same time. Only other one was an easy Gain Salvage.

    Ground/space healing/shields are not a problem either.
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  • trennan
    trennan Member Posts: 2,839 Arc User
    Endeavors for me are not important. I have long since stopped chasing after them. Just think of the rewards you get from them, some ec, some dil(like it hard to get), maybe a mark box, and the occasional pass token. So the only real reward here is the Perk point, which just gives you unneeded powercreep.

    These are if I happen to do them in the process of doing something else, goof. If not, just as good. I'm not going to tell anyone to stop doing them. But, I do advise you stop an think if they're worth doing to begin with. Most times I can't think of single reason to do them.
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  • echatty
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    You can also get lots of Attendants on the mission Melting Pot.
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  • seaofsorrows
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    ltminns wrote: »

    I reroll all Tzen'kethi Ground.

    I reroll H'urq Attendants Ground.

    I have an easy method on these two, if you're interested.

    Next time you get TZ ground, play 'Of Signs and Portents' until you get to the ground part. Get your quota of TZ for the Endavor and beam out. Hide the mission from your log, but don't drop it. Just keep it on that character, and anytime you select it from your journal you start right at the part where you beam down to the planet. Makes this endeavor easy.

    I do the exact same with Terrans on the 'Ragnarok' mission. I just continue it right when I beam onto the Enterprise J, get my terrans, and beam out.

    Easy peasy. :smile:
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  • ltminns
    ltminns Member Posts: 12,481 Arc User
    edited May 2020
    Terrans, I use 'Illusion of Communication'

    Tzen'kethi, I had used ' Brushfire' in the past but will keep 'Of Signs' in mind

    H'urq, I did use 'Home' but I like keeping that at an earlier stage to do H'urq Ships

    'Midnight' for Herald Ships

    "Staging Area' for travel to Carraya for Destructible Torpedoes, Japori for Space Mats, Archer for Tholians, and Dyson Gateway for anything on there

    'Sphere of Influence' for Ground Mats

    'Operation Gamma" for Badlands Endeavors

    And, "Fistfull of' Grom for any Nimbus $tuff.

    Thanks for the info.
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  • seaofsorrows
    seaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,893 Arc User
    I have one alt that I keep at the ground phase of 'Home' for Hurq ground. I use a 'fresh' run on another alt when I need the ships.

    Those are all the ones I use as well except for the Destructible Torps, I use CCA for that. But I'll give yours a try as well. Thanks! :smile:
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  • ltminns
    ltminns Member Posts: 12,481 Arc User
    edited May 2020
    Keeping an Alt specifically at the Ground Phase is a good idea. Thanks. :)
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    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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  • annemarie30
    annemarie30 Member Posts: 2,234 Arc User
    Kill voth ships in dyson battlezone is often watching paint dry.

    I skip the ones requiring completing x TFOs of a certain type.

    Regenerate shields or health can sometimes be annoying, acid bathing on nukara.

    awwwww THAT's what that dude was doing..... it would be really easy to do the Gorn if they would just make the valley an instance when you get the gorn awry mission. pop the mission, whack the lizards, make some luggage, done. for shields and health, I take an engi to the voth zone, camp the communications relay with the appropriate generator, shield or medical, and usually by capture I have the endeavour done. they are also my go-to for kill a captain, since the big robots with the shields are captains. I'd do Defera but that elite one that walks around is too hit and miss to find.
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  • ltminns
    ltminns Member Posts: 12,481 Arc User
    For the Gorns, start from the end. Take the Transporter from the Bar to the Canyon.

    I do love that the Gorns stationed on the cliffs that throw boulders at you have a longer range than our weapons do. :)
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    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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  • rattler2
    rattler2 Member Posts: 55,546 Community Moderator
    ltminns wrote: »
    "Stsgong Area' for travel to Carraya for Destructible Torpedoes...

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    Two other viable locations for destructable torps.
    Undine Battlezone and...
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    Crystalline Entity.

    The homing shards count as destructables.
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