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Tommy gun.. Assault weapon or rifle?

vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,984 Arc User
I wantt o slot the approriate train but I am not sure. I'm thinking assault since it's held at the waist.
Alson, the Omega autocarbine.. linking rifle since it's held to the shoulder?
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    Autorifles are a bit of a grey area I think.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    You can test it pretty fast. just go to a ground social zone, and change your personal traits.
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  • foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    Haven't tested it, but it should be a rifle. You do fire it from the shoulder in aim mode. You only shoot it from the hip because Hollywood has no clue how to shoot a gun properly or safely, so neither did Picard in First Contact. These are the sort of people that think pistol grips are so you can shoot from the hip.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    Actually the firing from the hip like that is a stereotype of mobsters using Tommy Guns in the 1920s. And considering that Picard's Dixon Hill holonovels are set around that time period, the author of said holonovels probably played into that stereotype a lot as well. So Picard most likely knows how to properly hold one, as it wouldn't be that different from a phaser rifle, but he was still kinda keeping in character for the holonovel. Also... Rule of Cool.

    Also... you can fire it from the hip, but your accuracy would drop like a rock so just spray and pray.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Actually the firing from the hip like that is a stereotype of mobsters using Tommy Guns in the 1920s. And considering that Picard's Dixon Hill holonovels are set around that time period, the author of said holonovels probably played into that stereotype a lot as well. So Picard most likely knows how to properly hold one, as it wouldn't be that different from a phaser rifle, but he was still kinda keeping in character for the holonovel. Also... Rule of Cool.

    Also... you can fire it from the hip, but your accuracy would drop like a rock so just spray and pray.
    He couldn't realistically be all that accurate firing full-auto like he does no matter how he's holding it.

    But of course, since it's not a real gun but a holographic prop for the 24th century equivalent of a videogame...it works however it's been programmed to work.
  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 6,085 Arc User
    warpangel wrote: »
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Actually the firing from the hip like that is a stereotype of mobsters using Tommy Guns in the 1920s. And considering that Picard's Dixon Hill holonovels are set around that time period, the author of said holonovels probably played into that stereotype a lot as well. So Picard most likely knows how to properly hold one, as it wouldn't be that different from a phaser rifle, but he was still kinda keeping in character for the holonovel. Also... Rule of Cool.

    Also... you can fire it from the hip, but your accuracy would drop like a rock so just spray and pray.
    He couldn't realistically be all that accurate firing full-auto like he does no matter how he's holding it.

    But of course, since it's not a real gun but a holographic prop for the 24th century equivalent of a videogame...it works however it's been programmed to work.

    Very true, especially since he fired off about three drums worth of ammo in that scene without ever changing the drum.
  • foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Actually the firing from the hip like that is a stereotype of mobsters using Tommy Guns in the 1920s. And considering that Picard's Dixon Hill holonovels are set around that time period, the author of said holonovels probably played into that stereotype a lot as well. So Picard most likely knows how to properly hold one, as it wouldn't be that different from a phaser rifle, but he was still kinda keeping in character for the holonovel. Also... Rule of Cool.

    Also... you can fire it from the hip, but your accuracy would drop like a rock so just spray and pray.


    It's a stereotype that Hollywood is largely responsible for. I get the point though, because of that stereotype, it's plausibly how Picard would imagine you are supposed to hold the gun. I wouldn't think the holonovel cares how you hold it, especially not with the Borg invading it. The ergonomics of holding a pistol gripped weapon down at the hip like that are not good, though, and being a trained officer he should know better how to hold a rifle.

    As for cool, well, in general I think it looks incompetent. However, I grant you in this scene that his expression is probably what makes the scene, and if he had it up at his shoulder we wouldn't quite get the same picture at all. He's going a bit crazy and him shooting from the hip screaming loudly does help to show that. I think it makes him look like an incompetent kind of crazy, though, which I don't think is what they were going for.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Actually the firing from the hip like that is a stereotype of mobsters using Tommy Guns in the 1920s. And considering that Picard's Dixon Hill holonovels are set around that time period, the author of said holonovels probably played into that stereotype a lot as well. So Picard most likely knows how to properly hold one, as it wouldn't be that different from a phaser rifle, but he was still kinda keeping in character for the holonovel. Also... Rule of Cool.

    Also... you can fire it from the hip, but your accuracy would drop like a rock so just spray and pray.
    It's a stereotype that Hollywood is largely responsible for. I get the point though, because of that stereotype, it's plausibly how Picard would imagine you are supposed to hold the gun. I wouldn't think the holonovel cares how you hold it, especially not with the Borg invading it. The ergonomics of holding a pistol gripped weapon down at the hip like that are not good, though, and being a trained officer he should know better how to hold a rifle.

    As for cool, well, in general I think it looks incompetent. However, I grant you in this scene that his expression is probably what makes the scene, and if he had it up at his shoulder we wouldn't quite get the same picture at all. He's going a bit crazy and him shooting from the hip screaming loudly does help to show that. I think it makes him look like an incompetent kind of crazy, though, which I don't think is what they were going for.
    Well, if you're showing people who in-universe are amateurs it fits. Problem is that most writers just don't know how firearms are supposed to be used and often just imitate whatever they've seen.

    Also, how an item is designed to be used is often not how people find to be the best way to use it.
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  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    Melee Weapon... it does Physical dmg. =) Least each time my Endeavors boosts Ground Melee it boosts the Tommy Gun dps. =) Probably a hold over of code that melee weapons do Physical and range does Energy.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    tigeraries wrote: »
    Melee Weapon... it does Physical dmg. =) Least each time my Endeavors boosts Ground Melee it boosts the Tommy Gun dps. =) Probably a hold over of code that melee weapons do Physical and range does Energy.
    Hunh, never mathed that. So it boosts ground physical, not melee in general? Does it boost plasma melee?
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  • tigerariestigeraries Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    tigeraries wrote: »
    Melee Weapon... it does Physical dmg. =) Least each time my Endeavors boosts Ground Melee it boosts the Tommy Gun dps. =) Probably a hold over of code that melee weapons do Physical and range does Energy.
    Hunh, never mathed that. So it boosts ground physical, not melee in general? Does it boost plasma melee?

    I dont own any plasma melee weapons. I am sure there are energy based melee weapons... but I don't own any. I just know that my DPS for tommy goes up with I boost the melee dmg for endeavors. It may boost melee energy dmg types but I doubt it, when game came out... melee was only physical right? range did energy + kinetic (tolian sonic dmg). I also dont know if the endeavor ground range boost the tommy. it may since it could just look/boost the ground dmg for the "Range" code vs multi energy types.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    tigeraries wrote: »
    tigeraries wrote: »
    Melee Weapon... it does Physical dmg. =) Least each time my Endeavors boosts Ground Melee it boosts the Tommy Gun dps. =) Probably a hold over of code that melee weapons do Physical and range does Energy.
    Hunh, never mathed that. So it boosts ground physical, not melee in general? Does it boost plasma melee?
    I dont own any plasma melee weapons. I am sure there are energy based melee weapons... but I don't own any. I just know that my DPS for tommy goes up with I boost the melee dmg for endeavors. It may boost melee energy dmg types but I doubt it, when game came out... melee was only physical right? range did energy + kinetic (tolian sonic dmg). I also dont know if the endeavor ground range boost the tommy. it may since it could just look/boost the ground dmg for the "Range" code vs multi energy types.
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  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,215 Arc User
    edited November 2019
    It's still a rifle by the games idea of a rifle. IRL it's an SMG.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    avoozuul wrote: »
    It's still a rifle by the games idea of a rifle. IRL it's an SMG.
    The game doesn't have a separate SMG category. :p
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