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Space weapon type? Very bright read beams (not standard AP or withering)

davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
I've been in TFOs recently where someone had these really bright, vivid red beam effects that kind of looked like a string with beads on it. The red was much more vivid than AP or Withering Disruptors.

Is that some new lock box beam? Or beams enhanced by a boff power? Please help me to play Space Barbie!
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    Was this on a player ship or was it from one of the NPCs?
    Gonna need some more info.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    edited October 2019
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Was this on a player ship or was it from one of the NPCs?
    Gonna need some more info.

    It was in Defense of Starbase One, but I was leveling up a new escort and was too busy trying not to blow up to see if it was the Klingons or a player. I'll play again tonight and see if it's the NPCs. I might have also seen it in the Borg red alert but I was doing a lot of marks and ship mastery grinding so the alerts and TFOs blend together in my mind :smile:

  • tom61stotom61sto Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    If it's more elongated fuzzy bolts, that could be the newer effects of Kelvin Phaser under the new Beams:Overload (which is a series of Overloads, instead of just one blast). If they kinda lingered, instead of just quickly flashing off, could be Covert Phaser. If the 'beads' were more diamond <> shapes, it might be Voth Anti-Proton.
  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    Covert??, Voth AP??
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  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,215 Arc User
    Probably kriegerwave disruptors.
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  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    avoozuul wrote: »
    Probably kriegerwave disruptors.

    Those are kinda purpleish...
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    tom61sto wrote: »
    If it's more elongated fuzzy bolts, that could be the newer effects of Kelvin Phaser under the new Beams:Overload (which is a series of Overloads, instead of just one blast). If they kinda lingered, instead of just quickly flashing off, could be Covert Phaser. If the 'beads' were more diamond <> shapes, it might be Voth Anti-Proton.
    gaevsman wrote: »
    Covert??, Voth AP??

    Thanks, Covert is close and I might use them for a Phaser build. Voth is possible but I need to slot Beam Overload on my AP captain's tactical boff before trying again (BO is definitely more vivid than BFAW).

    I'm wondering now if it might be cannons giving it the pulse-trail-pulse but if so it's "beam-like" cannons where the shots run together.
    avoozuul wrote: »
    Probably kriegerwave disruptors.

    I'll try those too.

  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,215 Arc User
    edited October 2019
    gaevsman wrote: »
    avoozuul wrote: »
    Probably kriegerwave disruptors.

    Those are kinda purpleish...
    I'm not sure if this looks purple.
    Krieger_Wave_Disruptor_Beam_Array_Effect_icon.png


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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,284 Arc User
    yeah, krieger-wave is an orange-ish red...more red than orange - but it is most certainly NOT purple​​
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  • foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    Have you looked at Channeled Deconstruction, a temporal boff power? It seems to fit your description, and I've been flying my Vor'ral around SB1 a lot, using that power, to earn the shrooms for the sets.

    I also know one of the linked phaser beam varieties fire red pulses, and its possible they mix in with a more standard red beam, maybe even the KCB.
  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    avoozuul wrote: »
    gaevsman wrote: »
    avoozuul wrote: »
    Probably kriegerwave disruptors.

    Those are kinda purpleish...
    I'm not sure if this looks purple.
    Krieger_Wave_Disruptor_Beam_Array_Effect_icon.png


    During game play i always see it kinda purpleish.. but i guess is more red-pinkish??
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  • angronsweangronswe Member Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited October 2019
    It's the Kelvin Timeline Phaser Emitter Arrays. The pic on stowiki is really bad though.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLmOy2_ttGs at about the 1h mark you can see em.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    edited October 2019
    Have you looked at Channeled Deconstruction, a temporal boff power? It seems to fit your description, and I've been flying my Vor'ral around SB1 a lot, using that power, to earn the shrooms for the sets.

    I also know one of the linked phaser beam varieties fire red pulses, and its possible they mix in with a more standard red beam, maybe even the KCB.

    Thanks! It was more than just a "plain" Kelvin, Covert, Voth AP or Kriegerwave even with Beam Overload making them flare up.
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
    It's also possible it is the Lethean disruptors:
    https://sto.gamepedia.com/Lethean_Disruptor_weapons_(space)
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    Yea I heard Lethean disruptors were red. Don't think I actually saw them in action though.
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  • tom61stotom61sto Member Posts: 3,711 Arc User
    [...]
    I'm wondering now if it might be cannons giving it the pulse-trail-pulse but if so it's "beam-like" cannons where the shots run together.
    Have you looked at Channeled Deconstruction, a temporal boff power? It seems to fit your description, and I've been flying my Vor'ral around SB1 a lot, using that power, to earn the shrooms for the sets.

    I also know one of the linked phaser beam varieties fire red pulses, and its possible they mix in with a more standard red beam, maybe even the KCB.

    Combining these together, the Terran x-Linked Phasers look kinda like a red string of beads or cannon shots running together when Haste boosted a bit, like running FAW with few targets and Emergency Weapon Cycle at the same time. Misses look like Season 1 Disc. Phasers, but red. Kinda forgot about them in FAW + Haste boosted, since I didn't like the effect way back when I tried it, but recently liked how they looked better better under Beams: Overload.
  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 6,085 Arc User
    edited October 2019
    There is also the withering disruptors from the Terran rep, they are a bit brighter than AP (though not by much) and have that sort of train-track look to the beams. Orion NPC ships have a very saturated red beam with moving moving brighter spots in it that they occasionally use, but I have never seen it on a player ship so it wouldn't be at SB1.

    Another possibility if there are moving bright spots could be if they have a mix regular and DSC DBBs. The beams and the pulses often follow the exact same paths and make for some strange looking "beams" sometimes. I have a ship where I dropped a DSC disruptor DBB I had sitting in inventory into the mix to do a "disruptor damage" endeavor with a ship that used a different energy (I forget which atm) and the combination had an interesting, unique look.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    They already ruled out Withering Disruptors.

    Another possibility is Covert Phasers.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    Thanks again for all the suggestions. I've looked at standard AP, Withering, Covert, Terran, Kelvin, Kriegerwave, Lethean beams and also Channeled Deconstruction.

    They do look much more vivid under Beam Overload but what I saw had more than just a solid beam it also had the "beads" on it. I really wish I'd taken a screen cap so you weren't relying on this vague half-description :)
    Another possibility if there are moving bright spots could be if they have a mix regular and DSC DBBs. The beams and the pulses often follow the exact same paths and make for some strange looking "beams" sometimes. I have a ship where I dropped a DSC disruptor DBB I had sitting in inventory into the mix to do a "disruptor damage" endeavor with a ship that used a different energy (I forget which atm) and the combination had an interesting, unique look.

    That's a good idea too. Or possibly beams and cannons mixed? So many things to try.
  • foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    DBBs and DHCs do share the same hardpoint, as do omni beams and turrets, but cannons tend to arc to follow the target, so you probably wouldn't see what you describe unless the target was mostly stationary or very close range.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    Only other thing I can think of is an ability used by Stingers, but I don't really remember a red version. Just blue and purple off the top of my head.

    This is driving me nuts.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    Well, there's this youtube video from last year with beam weapon effects, maybe it's there if its not terribly new:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BZa_gFAMqA
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,409 Arc User
    edited October 2019
    Maybe those around 2:04 of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2wSZBFLZZk ?

    They're the Tier 6 antiproton version of the Nukara Refracting weapons.

    Or the Delta Alliance Advanced Thoron Infused AP version at 3:59
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    edited October 2019
    > They're the Tier 6 antiproton version of the Nukara Refracting weapons.
    > Or the Delta Alliance Advanced Thoron Infused AP version at 3:59

    Those are more good suggestions, but the red had less white in it, and the "beads" were bigger and more strung out

    ---*---*---*---*---

    That's why I'm leaning towards it being something like overlapping beams + cannons, or some power, or maybe even something specific to the Discovery Klingon NPCs

    If I ever see it again before the wondering drives me mad, I'll take a screen capture.

    On the bright side, I've found out about a half-dozen new types of red beams for use in Space Barbie thanks to all of you.
  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 6,085 Arc User
    DBBs and DHCs do share the same hardpoint, as do omni beams and turrets, but cannons tend to arc to follow the target, so you probably wouldn't see what you describe unless the target was mostly stationary or very close range.
    > They're the Tier 6 antiproton version of the Nukara Refracting weapons.
    > Or the Delta Alliance Advanced Thoron Infused AP version at 3:59

    Those are more good suggestions, but the red had less white in it, and the "beads" were bigger and more strung out

    ---*---*---*---*---

    That's why I'm leaning towards it being something like overlapping beams + cannons, or some power, or maybe even something specific to the Discovery Klingon NPCs

    If I ever see it again before the wondering drives me mad, I'll take a screen capture.

    On the bright side, I've found out about a half-dozen new types of red beams for use in Space Barbie thanks to all of you.

    Those definitely sound like the beams that Orion mobs sometimes fire. I have no idea what they are called, and I have never seen a player ship use them either, though I suppose a Numbus Pirate call might get one of the mobs equipped with it to show up in SB1 or whatever.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    edited October 2019
    DBBs and DHCs do share the same hardpoint, as do omni beams and turrets, but cannons tend to arc to follow the target, so you probably wouldn't see what you describe unless the target was mostly stationary or very close range.
    > They're the Tier 6 antiproton version of the Nukara Refracting weapons.
    > Or the Delta Alliance Advanced Thoron Infused AP version at 3:59

    Those are more good suggestions, but the red had less white in it, and the "beads" were bigger and more strung out

    ---*---*---*---*---

    That's why I'm leaning towards it being something like overlapping beams + cannons, or some power, or maybe even something specific to the Discovery Klingon NPCs

    If I ever see it again before the wondering drives me mad, I'll take a screen capture.

    On the bright side, I've found out about a half-dozen new types of red beams for use in Space Barbie thanks to all of you.

    Those definitely sound like the beams that Orion mobs sometimes fire. I have no idea what they are called, and I have never seen a player ship use them either, though I suppose a Numbus Pirate call might get one of the mobs equipped with it to show up in SB1 or whatever.

    Hangar pets are yet another possibility. I saw some last night where it was something like beams plus either cannons or a torpedo salvo following the exact same path, maybe high yield where it fires multiple torpedoes instead of one bigger torpedo?
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    Hangar pets are yet another possibility. I saw some last night where it was something like beams plus either cannons or a torpedo salvo following the exact same path, maybe high yield where it fires multiple torpedoes instead of one bigger torpedo?

    Photon Torpedos fire a volley rather than a targetable Heavy when under High Yield.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,602 Arc User
    DBBs and DHCs do share the same hardpoint, as do omni beams and turrets, but cannons tend to arc to follow the target, so you probably wouldn't see what you describe unless the target was mostly stationary or very close range.
    > They're the Tier 6 antiproton version of the Nukara Refracting weapons.
    > Or the Delta Alliance Advanced Thoron Infused AP version at 3:59

    Those are more good suggestions, but the red had less white in it, and the "beads" were bigger and more strung out

    ---*---*---*---*---

    That's why I'm leaning towards it being something like overlapping beams + cannons, or some power, or maybe even something specific to the Discovery Klingon NPCs

    If I ever see it again before the wondering drives me mad, I'll take a screen capture.

    On the bright side, I've found out about a half-dozen new types of red beams for use in Space Barbie thanks to all of you.

    Those definitely sound like the beams that Orion mobs sometimes fire. I have no idea what they are called, and I have never seen a player ship use them either, though I suppose a Numbus Pirate call might get one of the mobs equipped with it to show up in SB1 or whatever.

    Yes, Orions have this 'beady' beam.
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