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Phoenix box always Uncommon
bartlett24
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I've been getting the freebie every day and have also used some dilithium to purchase a box here and there. Literally every box I've opened gives me an Uncommon token and nothing higher...except the one time I coughed up the 40K in dilithium for the 10 pack and 1 box gave me a Rare token. Yet I constantly see alerts saying so and so has won an Epic token. Anyone else experience this? How random are the rewards being granted? Anyone who has gotten and Epic or Ultra Rare: was it a freebie box, a single dilithium purchase, or a 10 pack? If it is a 10 pack, and you can only refine 8K a day (which has also seemed ridiculously low), how can anyone reasonably expect to get anything but an Uncommon token? I'm just getting a little frustrated is all and figured I'd see what everyone else is experiencing. Thanks
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Lockboxes and Promo-boxes have much higher chances by comparison.
Got one Epic and two UR in total, ever since Phoenix-boxes were introduced. And it's safe to say I've opened quite a lot of them.
That being said, I personally consider the Phoenix Box an opportunity to upgrade stuff and get some non account-unlockables on toons that don't have them.
> I've opened at least 10k boxes over the course of multiple events. You have a greater chance of getting a higher rarity if you open more boxes at once. I've also dropped 2 epics back to back so it can happen. As much as it sucks the phoenix box is meant to be a dilithium sink as well. Sometimes you do good with them, sometimes you do bad.
Ok, well it's a shame it has to be as it is, but I'm just gonna try to do my best to open more than 1 at a time and keep my fingers crossed. Thanks for the info. Awesome on the back to back Epics though!
She took the Nandi with it.
Another one the other day opened around a hundred and six boxes and got one epic. The rest were VR, Rare and Uncommon. She got a Nandi too, cause she's a Ferengi.
One of my LTS mains opened up almost a hundred and got a epic. Didn't see anything they didn't already have, so it got melted down into upgrades with the rest of his tokens.
Time to start saving up dil for the next phoenix event.
Based on posts here over the years, I think the odds of getting an Epic are horrible, at least 1 in 500 and possibly higher.
You see those messages because scores of people are opening stacks of boxes. I've opened a couple of hundred during this event myself.
Edit: I've definitely gotten rare and very rare from the daily free box.
As I have all of the Event Ships I did break down the Epic to two URs and picked up the JHAS and Bulwark. I will do the same if I am ever so fortunate again.
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if you only have an 8K refine limit, YOU MUST CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PYLONS!
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I just opened a ten pack now and got five green, one blue, and four purple (VR).
But not enough Vespene gas!!
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The most sage advice I've read regarding the Phoenix Prize Packs, paraphrasing, is just expect Uncommon given the astronomical odds & to use for the upgrade tokens, anything else is an extra bonus to smile about. Hope you have better luck in the future.
Exactly the same story here. I've opened hundreds and hundreds. I have angered the RNG gods somehow.
I got my first ever UR yesterday and almost fell off my chair in surprise.
Never buy Zen for it though. Just save up and they usually come shortly after dil weekends depending on rotation. Or convert your 500 monthly free Zen if you're a lifer.
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That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
But Pylons cost 100 minerals. Always have.
If you only take the freebies, I am not surprised you got only Uncommons. I guess if you only open so little, all you can really hope is a big win, because just something like 5 Phoenix Upgrades wouldn't cut it for me. I used up one or two hundred Phoenix Upgrades this weekend, mostly upgrading ground gear for BOFFs on a few characters. (I got most of the ship gear on every character in order already, and before I try to bring stuff to Epic, I'd rather ensure that ground combat goes smoothly with optimized gear.)
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Can't say how many boxes I opened prior to that. As far as I'm concerned, the Phoenix boxes are lower cost upgrades than other means. Anything else is just icing on the cake.
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l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
So a little history about the phoenix box is in order here. First it serves a couple purposes, with the first one being a second chance type of thing to acquire items that have been retired, or from events that have been missed for whatever reason or another. Most of the epic tier, and many of the ultra rare tier were in fact account unlocks for those who were there for the event. Originally if you missed an event there was no way to make it up, and if you missed it, well you were up the creek without a paddle.
The big issue arose from some event ships being tied to active 4 piece sets with the introduction of tier 6. Before tier 6, it was possible to slot older events and run multiple of those, or an alternative means was had to acquire them, such as the fleet shipyard or lobi. With t6's introduction this stopped being a thing. Once you missed an event that was it. The issue came about when some of these ships would be tied into active 4 or 3 piece sets with other ships from the cstore or elsewhere, like I was saying above. A prime example was the Kobali Samsar. Originally the Samsar was one of the first command ships, if not the first, that we were given access to in game. The Samsar is tied to 2 different 4 piece sets. The Warp Core completes the Kobali 4 piece from Dust to Dust, and the Regenerative Integrity Field completes the 4 piece bonus with ships like the Presidio and the command ships. A thing that led to complaints was that if someone bought the cstore ships and wanted to use the 4 piece console set, they were unable to do so. Alot of folks complained for that reason because they couldn't complete the console set or the Kobali set and felt like they were being cheated. This led to several big stinks on the forum of folks arguing back and forth over it. Some folks saying it's no big deal and others should have been there. Then you had some folks saying that it's not fair to punish folks who weren't yet playing the game and on down the line.
Cryptic didn't want to just up and reward folks the account unlock because they felt it would be unfair to those who were there for the event. This was also at the height of arguments involving "exclusivity and collectability". Some folks were saying it's not fair that someone coming in after should get the account unlock if they weren't there. Then you had folks like myself that didn't give a rip because it didn't effect my gameplay in the slightest. I just wanted folks to be able to complete the sets for those that wanted them. At this time the game was also in need of a dilithium sink to pull some excess dilithium from the game. Fleets were no longer the effective sinks they used to be since they were mostly maxed out by this time. Quite a few folks, myself included, suggested a box that was opened via dilithium as some sort of way to acquire the ships alternatively if they didn't want to do some sort of second chance event. Whether Cryptic came up with the idea on their own entirely, or borrowed purely from the forums at the time is up for debate. However someone apparently liked the idea. After awhile the phoenix box was created as the happy medium that could serve 2 purposes, to give folks a second chance at retired items, and also to serve as a dilithium sink that could be busted out from time to time when needed. That's also part of the reason why the epic tokens and ultra rares are not account unlocks as it would diminish the dilithium being removed from the game.
Personally the thought of someone getting the same account unlock in a way different than me never bothered me but that's just the way it is now.
There's no false advertising involved at all. They can call it "super ultra mega 867-5309 epic rare" if they wanted to but it means nothing as it's just a name. This is nothing close to false advertising. So lets not make accusations as I really don't want to have to bust out the mod sword.
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> There's no false advertising involved at all. They can call it "super ultra mega 867-5309 epic rare" if they wanted to but it means nothing as it's just a name. This is nothing close to false advertising. So lets not make accusations as I really don't want to have to bust out the mod sword.
I assume you were just being sarcastic because I really didn't think you were that dense.
Did you see the 'winky'? I was being sarcastic about the type of folks around the Forum. I mean who in their right mind would complain about something being better (Uncommon) than it really is (Common).
I accept your apology for the egregious assumption and statement.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'