Does anyone else out here support the development of a more canon Intrepid Class skin? While the 2014 update to the ship was much needed and welcomed, the look still Isn’t quite right. Even applying the Type 8B skin might be an improvement but not even that is available. Again, another canon ship without canon appearance. Most have been nicely addressed through the years. It would be nice if this were too.
Personally I just chalk up any differences in the Intrepid skin to Voyager's being a very early model (it did not even have a functional auxiliary craft yet when it was sent Maquis hunting for instance) and not a mainline Intrepid.
Frankly, I would prefer more canon ships like the Yeager class from the "kitbash fleet" over a new skin that people would tend to cover with set or vanity shield visuals anyway.
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rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 59,174Community Moderator
Didn't the Intrepid get a remodle back in Delta Rising to be more canon?
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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Does anyone else out here support the development of a more canon Intrepid Class skin? While the 2014 update to the ship was much needed and welcomed, the look still Isn’t quite right. Even applying the Type 8B skin might be an improvement but not even that is available. Again, another canon ship without canon appearance. Most have been nicely addressed through the years. It would be nice if this were too.
It already has it.
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
Do you want the skin that has sunlight reflecting off the bottom of the hull when there is no sun to be seen anywhere?
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Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 59,174Community Moderator
Actually... the Galaxy-X was seen in the Anti-Time future that Picard experienced in All Good Things. A future that never actually happened. In that event, the Enterprise-D was still around as far as... what... 2404? However that conflicts with the destruction of the Enterprise-D over Viridian III around 2370 or so, and the existance of the Enterprise-E in time for the Battle of Sector 001.
The only person who knew of the Galaxy-X design, was Picard himself.
The Galaxy class was refitted at the turn of the 25th century, after the collapse of the Khitomer Accords in 2399. In response to increased hostility with the Klingons, the newly redesigned ship carries a cloaking device and a devastating spinal lance weapon.
The ship is an alternate reality version of the U.S.S. Enterprise-D from the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode "All Good Things...".
https://sto.gamepedia.com/Galaxy-class_Dreadnought_Cruiser
Yes in the STO timeline the Galaxy-X was developed, and they actually have a good lore reason for it existing in what is essentially the Prime Timeline, but they also point out that she was an alternate reality Ent-D, a ship that never actually existed in the proper Prime Timeline as seen on screen.
If they can find a way to squeeze in the Galaxy-X, there's no reason to believe they can't come up with an idea on how to bring in the Intrepid Warship design.
Hell... they found a way to make the Dauntless viable and that was a fake ship, using scans from Voyager.
What Criptic would have to do is come up with a reason for the existance of the Warship design that is believable, just like the Galaxy-X and Dauntless.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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Actually... the Galaxy-X was seen in the Anti-Time future that Picard experienced in All Good Things. A future that never actually happened. In that event, the Enterprise-D was still around as far as... what... 2404? However that conflicts with the destruction of the Enterprise-D over Viridian III around 2370 or so, and the existance of the Enterprise-E in time for the Battle of Sector 001.
The only person who knew of the Galaxy-X design, was Picard himself.
The Galaxy class was refitted at the turn of the 25th century, after the collapse of the Khitomer Accords in 2399. In response to increased hostility with the Klingons, the newly redesigned ship carries a cloaking device and a devastating spinal lance weapon.
The ship is an alternate reality version of the U.S.S. Enterprise-D from the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode "All Good Things...".
https://sto.gamepedia.com/Galaxy-class_Dreadnought_Cruiser
Yes in the STO timeline the Galaxy-X was developed, and they actually have a good lore reason for it existing in what is essentially the Prime Timeline, but they also point out that she was an alternate reality Ent-D, a ship that never actually existed in the proper Prime Timeline as seen on screen.
If they can find a way to squeeze in the Galaxy-X, there's no reason to believe they can't come up with an idea on how to bring in the Intrepid Warship design.
Hell... they found a way to make the Dauntless viable and that was a fake ship, using scans from Voyager.
What Criptic would have to do is come up with a reason for the existance of the Warship design that is believable, just like the Galaxy-X and Dauntless.
Your problem here, as stated, is that 'Warship' Voyager was invented by a race far-far in the future, and wouldn't been known about in 2410-11 and we know in that episode that the Federation have not made contact (again) since Voyager was in the vicinity. It is unknown if the 'duplicate' Doctor ever made it back to Earth, but it's obvious he hasn't during our timeframe and unlikely during the 29th Century either.
As for the Gal-X, it is not beyond the realms of possibility that Picard actually remembered and passed on knowledge of it, as it has been shown in various time-travel/loop based episodes that individuals can remember the events.
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
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rattler2Member, Star Trek Online ModeratorPosts: 59,174Community Moderator
As I said, it would be up to Criptic to come up with a believable reason.
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Didn't the Intrepid get a remodle back in Delta Rising to be more canon?
It did, so did the Defiant.. Akira and a bunch of other ships.
But the thing is.. Even the updated Galaxy and Nebula Class, and the Intrepid.. Kinda looks like junk when you compare it to how detailed the Excelsior and Miranda has gotten.. That's some next generation stuff, right there.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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With all of the temporal flux and whatnot Voyager went though it would not be surprising to find that the current Doctor has the incident hidden away in the back of his mind somewhere, or the future Doctor finds a way to temporarily hijack the current one to pass the message along. There has been at least one time-crossing mini-wormhole for instance.
Or another possibility, it is not impossible that a culture in the Delta Quadrant somehow got a hold of the information out of time (a malfunctioning quantum computer maybe?) and they started building them to solve a problem they had. Or for that matter there could have been a real "warship Voyager" that popped in from some temporal eddy or whatever that may have been caused by some of the other temporal stuff the main Voyager went through.
In fact, some Delta culture could have been facing a part of the Iconian assault that never reached back "home" to player space, or some related threat like the Bluegill or whatever (or something totally unconnected) and a psionic "seer" caught part of that reconstruction and thought it was real and in their time, then set out to build copies of the "miracle ship" to solve their problem since they "knew" at that point that it could be done. For that matter, I would not put it past the Undine to project it at an esper as a minor way of taking out some of their irritation at both sides in of the Iconian conflict for drawing them into it.
Such a ship in the game could be a fairly standard flight deck cruiser (which are sort of a focus at the moment) and come armed with base "white" quality versions of the Undine rep weapons as the "biogenic phasers" if the devs really wanted to cut corners. And done as an alien knockoff it could even be brought out as a cross faction ship.
There are a lot of ways to bring it in if the devs want to, though I kind of doubt there would be a big enough demand to actually do it.
> @rattler2 said:
> Technically the Galaxy-X didn't exist either, and they found a way to squeeze her in that made sense.
The Galaxy X was from a time period we have already passed. The Federation itself won't exist in the 33rd century as is shown in the season 3 Discovery trailer, so there is nobody to make that hideous abination of a drunken fantasy real.
Yeah but in that non-existing timeline, the Enterprise D in her ultimate form (lol) was also likely the only one of her kind, because Admiral Riker insisted on not decomissioning her. We have her as the Galaxy X in STO because it's a game. A themepark-one at that. Meaning it's not too much of a stretch that at some point we might just as well see the "Warship Voyager" in player-hands.
Also, speaking of drunken fantasies that are already in the game…
1. mass-produced Scimitar and variants (what could possibly go wrong)
2. mass-produced Prometheus-class with MVAM, which was treated like a "superweapon" in that one episode.
3. Annorax timeline-eraser (the safest way to not be remembered by literally anyone)
4. Husnock-warships, because what's better than potentially infinite gigawatts of positron-particles in your face
5. Vengeance-type starships in huge quantities, because why not
and frankly… in a themepark-style MMO, that's fine.
..and yet, we have ancient constitution and D7 class ships flying around with more firepower than a Scimitar..
For STO, canon takes a backseat to profit. Any lore-based reason why something cannot exist in this game is largely irrelevant. The buck stops exactly wherever CBS and Cryptic say it does.
Who the h*ll cares if they add a fake fake ship into the game instead of a real fake ship? CrYptic will add what they feel like, subject to the Approval of the Grand High Council of CBS, to the game. We have all sorts of ships that are not Canon (praise be the Canon) already in game.
Note the 'Y'.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
..and yet, we have ancient constitution and D7 class ships flying around with more firepower than a Scimitar..
My list was by no means trying to be complete.
But... to win all those fights that should be impossible in the first place like 5 starships against Borg-Armada led by tactical cube or one Player obliterating generally overwhelming numbers with ease is in itself a "drunken fantasy".
honestly the only reason cryptic couldn't find an excuse to make it is if cbs said no, in fact it make a good packmate with a k'vort a.k.a the giant sized b'rel. even gives a neat a tidy excuse from why it's so different from what starfleet normally designs. namely the klingons did most of the design work.
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
The ship cannot exist in the Mirror U because the Empire fell in the 23rd century.
Honestly, that argument doesn't really mean that much when you consider the episode Parallels showed that there's at least 285,000 alternate timelines containing its own version of the Federation. That's a lot of potential Terran Empires that survived until at least the TNG-era.
Not really interested in the ship, though. Too exaggerated for my liking.
I hate no ship and I advocate for no ship. If Cryptic wishes to release a ship, that's their choice. I may not like how and in what medium it is released, but they will do what they want. I would not be sad it some kit-bashed class ship from the scrap heap of Wolf 359 was not released. I am not advocating for a Warship Voyager release, but if they release it, it wouldn't bother me.
We just finished up with a marathon multi-month run of TNG, Voyager, DS9, and the TNG Movies. Many of those TNG and DS9 Episodes are the first time I am seeing them again in 19-32 years and now I get the context for many of the things in game.
'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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Frankly, I would prefer more canon ships like the Yeager class from the "kitbash fleet" over a new skin that people would tend to cover with set or vanity shield visuals anyway.
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It already has it.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
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colored text = mod mode
normal text = me speaking as fellow formite
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The only person who knew of the Galaxy-X design, was Picard himself.
https://sto.gamepedia.com/Galaxy-class_Dreadnought_Cruiser
Yes in the STO timeline the Galaxy-X was developed, and they actually have a good lore reason for it existing in what is essentially the Prime Timeline, but they also point out that she was an alternate reality Ent-D, a ship that never actually existed in the proper Prime Timeline as seen on screen.
If they can find a way to squeeze in the Galaxy-X, there's no reason to believe they can't come up with an idea on how to bring in the Intrepid Warship design.
Hell... they found a way to make the Dauntless viable and that was a fake ship, using scans from Voyager.
What Criptic would have to do is come up with a reason for the existance of the Warship design that is believable, just like the Galaxy-X and Dauntless.
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Your problem here, as stated, is that 'Warship' Voyager was invented by a race far-far in the future, and wouldn't been known about in 2410-11 and we know in that episode that the Federation have not made contact (again) since Voyager was in the vicinity. It is unknown if the 'duplicate' Doctor ever made it back to Earth, but it's obvious he hasn't during our timeframe and unlikely during the 29th Century either.
As for the Gal-X, it is not beyond the realms of possibility that Picard actually remembered and passed on knowledge of it, as it has been shown in various time-travel/loop based episodes that individuals can remember the events.
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It did, so did the Defiant.. Akira and a bunch of other ships.
But the thing is.. Even the updated Galaxy and Nebula Class, and the Intrepid.. Kinda looks like junk when you compare it to how detailed the Excelsior and Miranda has gotten.. That's some next generation stuff, right there.
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colored text = mod mode
Or another possibility, it is not impossible that a culture in the Delta Quadrant somehow got a hold of the information out of time (a malfunctioning quantum computer maybe?) and they started building them to solve a problem they had. Or for that matter there could have been a real "warship Voyager" that popped in from some temporal eddy or whatever that may have been caused by some of the other temporal stuff the main Voyager went through.
In fact, some Delta culture could have been facing a part of the Iconian assault that never reached back "home" to player space, or some related threat like the Bluegill or whatever (or something totally unconnected) and a psionic "seer" caught part of that reconstruction and thought it was real and in their time, then set out to build copies of the "miracle ship" to solve their problem since they "knew" at that point that it could be done. For that matter, I would not put it past the Undine to project it at an esper as a minor way of taking out some of their irritation at both sides in of the Iconian conflict for drawing them into it.
Such a ship in the game could be a fairly standard flight deck cruiser (which are sort of a focus at the moment) and come armed with base "white" quality versions of the Undine rep weapons as the "biogenic phasers" if the devs really wanted to cut corners. And done as an alien knockoff it could even be brought out as a cross faction ship.
There are a lot of ways to bring it in if the devs want to, though I kind of doubt there would be a big enough demand to actually do it.
Yeah but in that non-existing timeline, the Enterprise D in her ultimate form (lol) was also likely the only one of her kind, because Admiral Riker insisted on not decomissioning her. We have her as the Galaxy X in STO because it's a game. A themepark-one at that. Meaning it's not too much of a stretch that at some point we might just as well see the "Warship Voyager" in player-hands.
Also, speaking of drunken fantasies that are already in the game…
1. mass-produced Scimitar and variants (what could possibly go wrong)
2. mass-produced Prometheus-class with MVAM, which was treated like a "superweapon" in that one episode.
3. Annorax timeline-eraser (the safest way to not be remembered by literally anyone)
4. Husnock-warships, because what's better than potentially infinite gigawatts of positron-particles in your face
5. Vengeance-type starships in huge quantities, because why not
and frankly… in a themepark-style MMO, that's fine.
For STO, canon takes a backseat to profit. Any lore-based reason why something cannot exist in this game is largely irrelevant. The buck stops exactly wherever CBS and Cryptic say it does.
Note the 'Y'.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
My list was by no means trying to be complete.
But... to win all those fights that should be impossible in the first place like 5 starships against Borg-Armada led by tactical cube or one Player obliterating generally overwhelming numbers with ease is in itself a "drunken fantasy".
if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
Honestly, that argument doesn't really mean that much when you consider the episode Parallels showed that there's at least 285,000 alternate timelines containing its own version of the Federation. That's a lot of potential Terran Empires that survived until at least the TNG-era.
Not really interested in the ship, though. Too exaggerated for my liking.
I hate no ship and I advocate for no ship. If Cryptic wishes to release a ship, that's their choice. I may not like how and in what medium it is released, but they will do what they want. I would not be sad it some kit-bashed class ship from the scrap heap of Wolf 359 was not released. I am not advocating for a Warship Voyager release, but if they release it, it wouldn't bother me.
We just finished up with a marathon multi-month run of TNG, Voyager, DS9, and the TNG Movies. Many of those TNG and DS9 Episodes are the first time I am seeing them again in 19-32 years and now I get the context for many of the things in game.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'