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flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
Through all the Trek timelines applied, there’s three versions of the D7; there’s the TOS version, the JJ D7 (known also as the Klingon Warbird) and then we’ve got the Disco D7. We’ll exclude the K’tinga as it’s considered a more modem classification of vessel, at least by original lore.

The latter two are available in the game through lock boxes, or promotional boxes, (or the lobi store?) though are obviously quite costly.

What I’d like to know is whether their respective pieces are cross compatible with each other. If all of these ships are owned by a KDF player, can we mix and match them?; use the nacelles for one, the hull of another, and the bridge/neck of another etc, or are the models in game fixed?

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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    Nope.

    You can swap a couple parts on the Temporal D7 and its Fleet T5 counterpart so you can have a mix of D7 and K'Tinga, but they are not cross compatible with the Kelvin or Discovery variants.
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  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    Well that is largely disappointing. I thank you @rattler2 for the information in any case.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    You're welcome.
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 6,085 Arc User
    flash525 wrote: »
    Through all the Trek timelines applied, there’s three versions of the D7; there’s the TOS version, the JJ D7 (known also as the Klingon Warbird) and then we’ve got the Disco D7. We’ll exclude the K’tinga as it’s considered a more modem classification of vessel, at least by original lore.

    The latter two are available in the game through lock boxes, or promotional boxes, (or the lobi store?) though are obviously quite costly.

    What I’d like to know is whether their respective pieces are cross compatible with each other. If all of these ships are owned by a KDF player, can we mix and match them?; use the nacelles for one, the hull of another, and the bridge/neck of another etc, or are the models in game fixed?

    Qupla’

    There is also the Sech, which Discovery was originally using as the D7, which is obviously totally incompatible with any other D7.
  • psychoplattpsychoplatt Member Posts: 285 Arc User
    edited September 2019
    Options in KDF - Are we playing the same Game? :(
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    edited September 2019
    flash525 wrote: »
    Through all the Trek timelines applied, there’s three versions of the D7; there’s the TOS version, the JJ D7 (known also as the Klingon Warbird) and then we’ve got the Disco D7. We’ll exclude the K’tinga as it’s considered a more modem classification of vessel, at least by original lore.

    The latter two are available in the game through lock boxes, or promotional boxes, (or the lobi store?) though are obviously quite costly.

    What I’d like to know is whether their respective pieces are cross compatible with each other. If all of these ships are owned by a KDF player, can we mix and match them?; use the nacelles for one, the hull of another, and the bridge/neck of another etc, or are the models in game fixed?

    Qupla’

    The K't'inga is a D7. It's explicitly referred to as such in VGR.

    There's 6 versions of the D7, the TOS version, the Gr'oth from Tribbles in DS9, the TAS version, the DSC version, the TMP-VGR version, and the Kronos One mod of the TMP one.

    The KT ship is only ever called a Warbird had has no other designation. As D7 is not a class name there's also the Sech class that's designated as a D7.

    STO has no idea what they're doing with the D7/K't'inga.
    • The free one has the worlds worst model of the K't'inga, an identical version without the block like patterns on the wings it calls a D7, a unnamed refit version that's more like a refit of the Koro't'inga, and the Koro't'inga, which is a version of the non-canon, unused D6 or D4 from ENT and not a D7 at all.
    • The money leaching promo version slaps a TOS hull material on the supposed K't'inga model and tries to pass it off as a D7 as though there were no differences between the TOS and TMP ships beyond hull colour. The Conni got a complete rebuild and is actually worth the cost (other than the lazy lack of DSC and KT parts for it).
    • Neither version is compatible with the DSC version despite it also being a D7 but somehow the non-canon D6/4 gets a look in.
    • The TAS extended torpedo tube and hull colours are missing, the actual screen based TOS and Gr'oth versions don't exist, the TMP version is so inaccurate it may as well be a mobile game model, and the Kronos One bits don't exist at all.
    • And even on the ones where multiple parts are available, they cheeped out with the actual customisation as you can only swap between hulls directly and not swap out the individual components like nacelles, heads, and necks. Oh, and you can't apply hull materials consistently between the models. The C-Store type 3 material can only be used on the Koro't'inga for example.
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  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    Is the temporal D7 compatible with the Korotinga skin?
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    Should be. While I don't have a Temporal D7, I believe the standard K'Tinga is, and the Temporal Connie is compatable with the Exeter.
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  • redeyedravenredeyedraven Member Posts: 1,297 Arc User
    edited September 2019
    flash525 wrote: »
    What I’d like to know is whether their respective pieces are cross compatible with each other.
    flash525 wrote: »
    Well that is largely disappointing. I thank you @rattler2 for the information in any case.


    It's not so bad. The DIS-D7 and Kelvin D7 both look AMAZING in their own right. But I see your point. The Constitution-refit can be mixed with the TOS-Constitution and the original 25th-century variants from Cryptic, and some Frankenstein-builds I tried in the customizer look kinda cool. I bet that if you'd add the DIS-Constitution to the options one could make outstanding kitbashes.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    It's not so bad. The DIS-D7 and Kelvin D7 both look AMAZING in their own right. But I see your point. The Constitution-refit can be mixed with the TOS-Constitution and the original 25th-century variants from Cryptic, and some Frankenstein-builds I tried in the customizer look kinda cool. I bet that if you'd add the DIS-Constitution to the options one could make outstanding kitbashes.

    I run all Connie Refit with Excalibur nacelles.
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  • redeyedravenredeyedraven Member Posts: 1,297 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    I run all Connie Refit with Excalibur nacelles.

    To each their own. When I just got my T6 Constitution we didn't have the reworked refit-model yet, so I went with TOS-saucer and hull, neck and pylons from Exeter and the old version of the refit-nacelles. TOS-material. Looked really nice, actually.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    flash525 wrote: »
    Through all the Trek timelines applied, there’s three versions of the D7; there’s the TOS version, the JJ D7 (known also as the Klingon Warbird) and then we’ve got the Disco D7. We’ll exclude the K’tinga as it’s considered a more modem classification of vessel, at least by original lore.

    The latter two are available in the game through lock boxes, or promotional boxes, (or the lobi store?) though are obviously quite costly.

    What I’d like to know is whether their respective pieces are cross compatible with each other. If all of these ships are owned by a KDF player, can we mix and match them?; use the nacelles for one, the hull of another, and the bridge/neck of another etc, or are the models in game fixed?

    Qupla’

    The K't'inga is a D7. It's explicitly referred to as such in VGR.

    There's 6 versions of the D7, the TOS version, the Gr'oth from Tribbles in DS9, the TAS version, the DSC version, the TMP-VGR version, and the Kronos One mod of the TMP one.

    The KT ship is only ever called a Warbird had has no other designation. As D7 is not a class name there's also the Sech class that's designated as a D7.

    STO has no idea what they're doing with the D7/K't'inga.
    • The free one has the worlds worst model of the K't'inga, an identical version without the block like patterns on the wings it calls a D7, a unnamed refit version that's more like a refit of the Koro't'inga, and the Koro't'inga, which is a version of the non-canon, unused D6 or D4 from ENT and not a D7 at all.
    • The money leaching promo version slaps a TOS hull material on the supposed K't'inga model and tries to pass it off as a D7 as though there were no differences between the TOS and TMP ships beyond hull colour. The Conni got a complete rebuild and is actually worth the cost (other than the lazy lack of DSC and KT parts for it).
    • Neither version is compatible with the DSC version despite it also being a D7 but somehow the non-canon D6/4 gets a look in.
    • The TAS extended torpedo tube and hull colours are missing, the actual screen based TOS and Gr'oth versions don't exist, the TMP version is so inaccurate it may as well be a mobile game model, and the Kronos One bits don't exist at all.
    • And even on the ones where multiple parts are available, they cheeped out with the actual customisation as you can only swap between hulls directly and not swap out the individual components like nacelles, heads, and necks. Oh, and you can't apply hull materials consistently between the models. The C-Store type 3 material can only be used on the Koro't'inga for example.

    Yeah, the D7 / K't'inga really need the hand of a loving artist to fix them up. It's really a disappointment, especially if you compare it to what they did for the Connie... or, heck, any Federation ship with more than one variant (and even Fed ships with just one variant got more attention to detail.) They are still at the launch era quality level... Imagine the Galaxy Class was still at launch era quality level. *shudder*

    I am willing to defend Cryptic for a lot, and yes, I see that the KDF is just not the big money-maker and they have to cut things short, but come on, these variants are the original Klingon ships! The ones that started the whole faction in the franchise. Reserve some time for them, give them the attention they need, even if it will definitely cost you more than you can make.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    artan42 wrote: »
    flash525 wrote: »
    Through all the Trek timelines applied, there’s three versions of the D7; there’s the TOS version, the JJ D7 (known also as the Klingon Warbird) and then we’ve got the Disco D7. We’ll exclude the K’tinga as it’s considered a more modem classification of vessel, at least by original lore.

    The latter two are available in the game through lock boxes, or promotional boxes, (or the lobi store?) though are obviously quite costly.

    What I’d like to know is whether their respective pieces are cross compatible with each other. If all of these ships are owned by a KDF player, can we mix and match them?; use the nacelles for one, the hull of another, and the bridge/neck of another etc, or are the models in game fixed?

    Qupla’

    The K't'inga is a D7. It's explicitly referred to as such in VGR.

    There's 6 versions of the D7, the TOS version, the Gr'oth from Tribbles in DS9, the TAS version, the DSC version, the TMP-VGR version, and the Kronos One mod of the TMP one.

    The KT ship is only ever called a Warbird had has no other designation. As D7 is not a class name there's also the Sech class that's designated as a D7.

    STO has no idea what they're doing with the D7/K't'inga.
    • The free one has the worlds worst model of the K't'inga, an identical version without the block like patterns on the wings it calls a D7, a unnamed refit version that's more like a refit of the Koro't'inga, and the Koro't'inga, which is a version of the non-canon, unused D6 or D4 from ENT and not a D7 at all.
    • The money leaching promo version slaps a TOS hull material on the supposed K't'inga model and tries to pass it off as a D7 as though there were no differences between the TOS and TMP ships beyond hull colour. The Conni got a complete rebuild and is actually worth the cost (other than the lazy lack of DSC and KT parts for it).
    • Neither version is compatible with the DSC version despite it also being a D7 but somehow the non-canon D6/4 gets a look in.
    • The TAS extended torpedo tube and hull colours are missing, the actual screen based TOS and Gr'oth versions don't exist, the TMP version is so inaccurate it may as well be a mobile game model, and the Kronos One bits don't exist at all.
    • And even on the ones where multiple parts are available, they cheeped out with the actual customisation as you can only swap between hulls directly and not swap out the individual components like nacelles, heads, and necks. Oh, and you can't apply hull materials consistently between the models. The C-Store type 3 material can only be used on the Koro't'inga for example.

    Yeah, the D7 / K't'inga really need the hand of a loving artist to fix them up. It's really a disappointment, especially if you compare it to what they did for the Connie... or, heck, any Federation ship with more than one variant (and even Fed ships with just one variant got more attention to detail.) They are still at the launch era quality level... Imagine the Galaxy Class was still at launch era quality level. *shudder*

    I am willing to defend Cryptic for a lot, and yes, I see that the KDF is just not the big money-maker and they have to cut things short, but come on, these variants are the original Klingon ships! The ones that started the whole faction in the franchise. Reserve some time for them, give them the attention they need, even if it will definitely cost you more than you can make.

    I will give them the fact that the DSC D7, KT Warbird, and all the DSC Klingon ships are fantastically done and the touch of adding the weapons pods and traditional wings to the Negh'Var was a fantastic touch but I do think it's sad that none of the Klingon ships got a remodel when their Fed counterparts did. The Vor'cha doesn't even use it's primary cannon as a hard point, and the iconic B'rel and K't'inga are completely untouched from launch.

    Every Starfleet ship with a T6 has had their model redone from scratch (and some T5 ones like the Steamrunner) and it has no doubt driven sales, I refused to touch the Sovereign until it had been re-modelled (though I'm still bitter it never got it's Nemesis hull extensions and nacelle placement when the stupid Conni cot it's Cage bits). So, despite how much I love the Negh'Var and Kronos One, I'm not getting them until they match the Fed ships in quality, so I'm maining the Chargh because it's as cool as hell and well modelled too boot.
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