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How would you feel, on the Emmett Till vessel type being named after Eisenberg and added into sto?

thevampinatorthevampinator Member Posts: 637 Arc User
If you haven't watched the live stream or got involved, many of us along with the devs basically stood near Jake and Nogs spot on Ds9. Sometime in the livestream I mentioned the idea of the Emmett Till Vessel being named in Eisenberg's honor as the name of the ship class. So to speak, and others had their own ideas or devs mentioned some things but others thought it was a great idea and started talking or mentioning naming the Emmett Till Vessel class being named after Eisenberg so I think people kinda liked the idea for that. I personally can't see any other starship that should get the name of Eisenberg .

About the Emmett Till its a name of a the vessel in the hypethitical or storyboard storyline commanded by Ezri Dax in 2395. Basically in this season 8 reality Nog is Killed, The Bajorians unlike in sto timeline never joined the federation and the Bajorians want to throw the federation out. Basically there is tensions between the bajorians and the federation and section 31 is acting like the tal shiar do sto and attempting to mass murder the bajorian prophets and murdered Nog and destoryed the defiant because it threatened their goal of forcing the bajorians to give up their religion and join the federation which is kind as extreme and very unlike the federation. It wasn't the best storyline in my opinion because of Nog and turning bashir evil and made him the leader of section 31. But it does not mean it didn't happen another another reality where the bajorians refused to join the federation can read up the full storyline episode story here. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/What_We_Left_Behind. Even if the storyline was kinda out there with what they did with nog and bashir. Does not mean they can't do the ship. At some point Cryptic might add in the ship and when they do I hope they use Eisenberg as the class name because I didn't find anything about the class of the vessel so I think that would be open and be a good way to honor his contributions to ds9 and the documentary that created the starship plus his roles in sto it would be the best So what are your thoughts Should the Emmett till when added be named in Eisenbergs honor? The Eisenberg class does seem to have a nice ring to the vessel.
Here is what the vessel looks like.
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Edit an interesting fact about Arons last name of Eisenberg its actually a town and a capital of a district within Germany. To me it really did sound like a town name and decided to look it up and found that it is. Sao Polio the one defiant type ship is also the name of a real town in brazil which is the most populous city in brazil. For those against it because its just an actor, no its also a town and a capital of a district. So there might not be much reason why they couldn't because its actually a real place and not just a last name. We know starfleet seems to name ships after towns. So it is likely a Germany inspired starship class name if they ever did it. So I can't see why it can't be used. I mean the Edison class though I think it was named after the beyond captain. But also happens to be a township in New Jersey. Summerville a town in SC. Sutherland a Northern Cape province of South Africa. LaFayette a town in New York. Palatine a Village in Illinois. York Town a census-designated place in York County but not really a town but there is a battle named Battle of York Town. Rhode Island is a State but also an island. Enterprise is a town in Utah and Nevada. The Very famous vessel of the franchise is also a town or the name of two towns going by what I looked up. So I see no logic in not using Eisenberg for something even if it wasn't nogs actor. I'd imagine it would make a great ship name or ship class name. Miranda seems to be a town in California.

How would you feel, on the Emmett Till vessel type being named after Eisenberg and added into sto? 18 votes

Yes when the Emmett Till vessel is released it should be commissioned the Eisenberg Class.
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westx211thevampinatornickkyana#2794sfbarbear#7937 4 votes
No
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  • sthe91sthe91 Member Posts: 6,371 Arc User
    edited October 2019
    No
    I would not be in favor of naming the Emmett Till vessel the Eisenberg class. Instead it should just be called the Emmett Till, the Rosa Parks, or any of the other African-American historical figures. Now if it were a Ferengi ship with Federation technology, I could see that being called the Eisenberg class. Those are my two cents. Thanks. :)
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  • thevampinatorthevampinator Member Posts: 637 Arc User
    edited September 2019
    Yes when the Emmett Till vessel is released it should be commissioned the Eisenberg Class.
    sthe91 wrote: »
    I would not be in favor of naming the Emmett Till vessel the Eisenberg class. Instead it should just be called the Emmett Till, the Rosa Parks, or any of the other African-American historical figures. Now if it were a Ferengi ship with Federation technology, I could that being called the Eisenberg class. Those are my two cents. Thanks. :)

    Some people did suggest or someone did about naming a ferengi vessel after him. and i made a comment about Ferengi wouldn't name their ships after a hewmon. THe on dev not sure on his name did comment in agreement on the fact the ferengi wouldn't. Plus naming conventions for vessels it fits with the various class names already in the game. Eisenberg sounds like something the federation would name a vessel. Gettysberg,Yorkshire examples of names we might see in sto though maybe they are not ship classes by name but share the naming convention.. Eisenberg fits the mold of starfleet class naming conventions and its unique that it does this. It fits the mold of many of the class names so I can't see why they couldn't do it.

    Plus come on what would any respectable profit driven ferengi would name their ferengi ship after a filthy Hewmon? Heck Rom can't even get closer relations to the federation going by the pathway to 2409. What makes you think they would conform to hewmon naming conventions since the federation goes against everything they believe in? So yes that is the issue with naming a ferengi vessel after him would be that its too human of a name they just wouldn't do it. Someone mentioned the idea of a hybrid vessel of federation and ferengi design but I still think even if they are members of the allaince I doubt the ferengi would want to be to close to filthy federation values. Only way the two powers would work together on a vessel would be in some kind a of business venture but never as a joint venture without some montary gain for the ferengi unless things change between the relationship between the two powers.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    No
    sthe91 wrote: »
    I would not be in favor of naming the Emmett Till vessel the Eisenberg class. Instead it should just be called the Emmett Till, the Rosa Parks, or any of the other African-American historical figures. Now if it were a Ferengi ship with Federation technology, I could that being called the Eisenberg class. Those are my two cents. Thanks. :)

    Good point that that vessel should be named after an African-American figure. I'd suggest choosing something else.

  • mainamaina Member Posts: 430 Arc User
    No
    sthe91 wrote: »
    .... Instead it should just be called the Emmett Till, the Rosa Parks, or any of the other African-American historical figures........

    Pretty much my thoughts as well. The idea of adding a actors name (no matter how loved), to a class of ship based on important historical figures, does not sit well with me, game or not.

    If we have to name a ship after him (or class) then it should be something else, and we should be asking why not, Nemoy or Roddenberry or the many who fell before him. What happens when we lose a major actor like Shater or Stewart? I morn the loss of Eisenberg as much as the next fan, but he is one of many lost (and face it, to be lost). The current obsessive nature of these requests are starting to ring hollow.

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  • thevampinatorthevampinator Member Posts: 637 Arc User
    edited September 2019
    Yes when the Emmett Till vessel is released it should be commissioned the Eisenberg Class.
    maina wrote: »
    sthe91 wrote: »
    .... Instead it should just be called the Emmett Till, the Rosa Parks, or any of the other African-American historical figures........

    Pretty much my thoughts as well. The idea of adding a actors name (no matter how loved), to a class of ship based on important historical figures, does not sit well with me, game or not.

    If we have to name a ship after him (or class) then it should be something else, and we should be asking why not, Nemoy or Roddenberry or the many who fell before him. What happens when we lose a major actor like Shater or Stewart? I morn the loss of Eisenberg as much as the next fan, but he is one of many lost (and face it, to be lost). The current obsessive nature of these requests are starting to ring hollow.

    Nimoy did a bunch of voice over work at beta before he passed on :( and had a mission where we could encounter him. . The thing with naming ships you can easily fit in names like nimoy or eisenberg and just explain they are the ones who designed the things and had them named after themselves or in their honor. Which I imagine sometimes happens. But to be more neutral I think they do more like naming ships after towns thus Eisenberg fits a lot better because its neutral and sounds more like the name of a town and is a town actually which I think starfleet tends to do quite a bit with their vessels. So it make sense that it could be named after either a person or a town either on earth or on an earth colony world. Since starfleet is primary human and was formed by humans. So the idea of a Eisenberg ship wouldn't be too 4th wall because it could actually be the name of a town. Summerville, Sutherland, Lafayette, New Orleans, Sao Paulo, Rhode Island, Palatine. Yorktown. All sound like the name of some form of town or are named after a town or city. These are starship class names and the Eisenberg fits the other names do not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisenberg,_Thuringia It is a town and the capital of Saale-Holzland-Kreis a district in Germany. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saale-Holzland-Kreis
    So not only is it a town but its also a capital of a district. So its not only Arons last name but also both a capital and a town in a district of Germany. Which means they can totally do it and have an easy way to explain it being the name of a ship class.
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  • legendarylycan#5411 legendarylycan Member Posts: 37,284 Arc User
    edited September 2019
    you know why a lot of surnames sound like they could be towns/cities/villages/whatever? because a lot of them WERE - in ancient times, certain cultures would refer to themselves by their given name, followed by the place they were born, or living in, and such things eventually became actual surnames

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  • thevampinatorthevampinator Member Posts: 637 Arc User
    edited September 2019
    Yes when the Emmett Till vessel is released it should be commissioned the Eisenberg Class.
    Well I know some would prefer it have some ties to african history or the cival rights given the name of the ship. But here is the thing I would prefer they remain neutral about it. Rosa parks incident happened in Montgomery alabama. So maybe the Montgomery Class could be a fitting name if you wanted to go by african american history and it looks like it might not be a ship class already and Montgomery is where Rosa Parks famous bus ride happened thus it seems like it would be what they could named this. Harriet_Tubman insperation maybe the Auburn class this is where she died and where she died free it is in newyork so it would be a fitting name. Martin King Jr, Maybe the Memphis class since that is where he became a martyr to the cause that helped bring about much needed change.
    So they could do a three pack and have those be the name of the ships based on the Emmett-Till. So the idea is well not use their names as these were normal people trying to make a difference and do what was right. I don't think they asked for fame it was put upon them because of history and people noticed. So the idea is well to honor them for what they stood for. Though the Eisenberg would be cool I only think it should be done to honor Aron, but the above suggestions might be more fitting. It ties into history where these figures have been, lived or died without going to much into the past.
    The Montgomery Class would be a engineering Class. Sturdy and unmoving. Best way to Honor Rosa who was unwilling to move because she was tired but yet still strong to say no. Maybe a bonus to damage or healing when not moving. Auburn class best way to honor Tubman was a fighter for freedom helping free slaves and cross them over to freedom. She fought to free those that needed to be freed. Auburn would have intel, cloak and would be a tac ship. Now Martins dream was people would be not judged by their skin tone but the content of their character. Science is about seeking fact seeking the unknown it goes beyond skintone and thus the Memphis would embody science qualities.

    So I could imagine they could do this for the Emmett-Till vessel make it a three pack and release it in the zen store. They could make the Eisenberg a tier six steamrunner like vessel or maybe make some type of titanic inspired federation vessel that looks more like a federation cruise liner. That is another idea maybe having its own dabo table like others have suggested and other ferengi inspired things which was suggested I believe on the live stream. Its up to them though to decide all we can do is make suggestions. Many good ideas its up to them to explore them.
  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,365 Arc User
    Yes when the Emmett Till vessel is released it should be commissioned the Eisenberg Class.
    I mean they could always make 2 classes of the ship like how a lot of ships have multiple class options and have one be the normal Emmett Till and the other class be the Eisenberg
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,441 Community Moderator
    No
    The devs have already said that they have permission to use the Emmett Till, so it would come eventually. They also stated in the livestream that they will NOT be doing anything remotely related to profiting from Eisenberg, so you won't be seeing a ship class named after him either.
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  • tasshenatasshena Member Posts: 543 Arc User
    edited September 2019
    No
    The devs have already said that they have permission to use the Emmett Till, so it would come eventually. They also stated in the livestream that they will NOT be doing anything remotely related to profiting from Eisenberg, so you won't be seeing a ship class named after him either.

    Agreed completely. I'd agree if it were suggesting to name one particular ship for a debut mission and keeping it around, but not the entire class. Nope. In fact they should use a different class of ship to name after him, and keep any mission related Emmet Hill class ships with a naming theme related to the class name if possible.​​
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    No
    They also stated in the livestream that they will NOT be doing anything remotely related to profiting from Eisenberg, so you won't be seeing a ship class named after him either.
    My thoughts exactly. Exploiting dead celebrities for profit just because they aren't around to object to it anymore isn't something that should be done.
  • foxrockssocksfoxrockssocks Member Posts: 2,482 Arc User
    No
    It breaks the 4th wall to name a ship USS Aron Eisenberg, USS Leonard Nimoy, etc. If you want to name your ship after them, to honor them, go for it, but the game should try and be more immersive where it can not less.
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