Should the Kelvin Heavy Destoryer be made a Kelvin Survey Scout? To be accurate to the lore?

thevampinator

People seem to be talking about this. They seem to not like the way the ship class is being handled or maybe thinking its the wrong type after I read the lore on the vessel plus the name sake of the vessel's ship class I happen to agree that maybe it shouldn't be a heavy destoryer. https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Einstein_class memory alpha has it listed as a survey vessel. https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kelvin_type
What do you think?

thegrandnagus1

Other

Memory beta is meaningless (IMO). Link to the canon info at memory alpha instead:

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kelvin_type

thevampinator

Yes it should be a Survey Science Scout

thegrandnagus1 wrote: »

Memory beta is meaningless (IMO). Link to the canon info at memory alpha instead:

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Kelvin_type

I edited it to have both. Also both are equal and good sources. Since Sto itself is also Beta Canon and Sto uses stuff from mostly canon but also from beta canon too. So both carry weight with the game. memory beta gives us the ship class name and Memory alpha gives us the details of why they designed the way it was. Along with any other information about the ship that is known. Memory Beta fills in the gaps of what is missing in this case the name of the ship class.

tera117doe

No

no, thank God its not a science ship!

gaevsman

No

I like the way the ship is set.. its kinda like the Saladin, so i'm good... i really want one, by the way

thegrandnagus1

Other

thevampinator wrote: »

Also both are equal and good sources.

No, a canon source is not "equal" to a non canon source, sorry. The "good" part is subjective, so I won't dispute that term.

Since Sto itself is also Beta Canon and Sto uses stuff from mostly canon but also from beta canon too. So both carry weight with the game. memory beta gives us the ship class name and Memory alpha gives us the details of why they designed the way it was. Along with any other information about the ship that is known. Memory Beta fills in the gaps of what is missing in this case the name of the ship class.

Your logic is simply flawed. Despite what some overly fanatical players might think, STO is not canon. And neither is memory beta. So if your goal with this thread is to argue that the Kelvin is not being properly classified in STO, a non canon source is not going to prove anything. Both STO and memory beta are equally non canon. One cannot prove or disprove the other.

The only way you could legitimately argue that STO is not doing something right is if you actually have an example of canon that says so. If there isn't one, then the devs are free to classify the ship however they want (unless CBS says otherwise).

Having said all that, I think they are more concerned with the business aspect of making a ship as desirable as possible to their customers. If they think a ship will sell better with a certain type of layout vs another, I'm sure that is a main driver in their design (again, unless CBS says otherwise).

tom61sto

No

It's kinda of a confusing mess, but the blue pulses fired from turrets at the Kelvin's fore might actually be 'photons' of some sort according the script. Which means the Kelvin-type might line up to a modern Missile Destroyer. There's the issue of these being fired so fast for Photon Torpedoes (way faster than Yorktown station's or even the later Prime-timeline DS9's Photon turrets,) though some sort of transitional technology from the period between Enterprise and TOS could work, like a low-ish yield Photon Missile.

gaevsman

No

tom61sto wrote: »

It's kinda of a confusing mess, but the blue pulses fired from turrets at the Kelvin's fore might actually be 'photons' of some sort according the script. Which means the Kelvin-type might line up to a modern Missile Destroyer. There's the issue of these being fired so fast for Photon Torpedoes (way faster than Yorktown station's or even the later Prime-timeline DS9's Photon turrets,) though some sort of transitional technology from the period between Enterprise and TOS could work, like a low-ish yield Photon Missile.

Photons with no guiding system?, or a very limited one... yeah, that could work, aldo the Klingos from the KT seems even more aggresive than their prime conterparts, so, more firepower...

thunderfoot

No

Who cares what Cryptic names it? Or why they call the class what they do? It's just going to be used to shoot up Bad Guys as efficiently as possible. I'm sure dead NPC's will not care what Cryptic calls the class.

As to the "canon" thing - if it appeared in an episode of the TV series of TOS, then it is canon. Everything else is just dodgy knockoff fakery.

thevampinator

Yes it should be a Survey Science Scout

The vessel was inspired by submarines. The ship possibly patroling near klingon Space or surveying planets near the area and because of this might have been equipt with weapons and Polarized hull plating to counteract a possible klingon ambush. Star Fleet used to build their star ships to be very durible to protect against the dangers of space but as technology got more advanced. I'd imagine they stopped doing this in favor ship shielding like the ones seen in the later 23rd and 24th centuries since it gave more room and it took less to construct them I believe. Once deflector shields became a big thing the need to have Polarized hull plating wasn't as great. So they didn't add extra hull plating to the starships because the energy shields are much more efficient of course the price of doing this was the hull was weaker and more vulnerable if the shields failed.

Ships that didn't use Polarized hull plating might be more vulnerable to destruction then ships with Polarized hull plating. So a ship with Polarized hull plating might be able to survive more then ships without it. I think this is why it was able to take the missiles from Neros ship better then the later starships launched as I imagine they moved away from Polarized hull plating and went to using the cheaper energy deflector shield method. Since I think the Kelvin given how it managed to handle a fight better against Nero's ship compared to the later ship classes. I'd think at that time it would have had to have some form of Polarized hull plating plus the other defenses it had built into the ship to protect it from a klingon ambush that made it possible for that starship to hold off the far more highly advanced Romulan Borg Ship it was up against. If it wasn't for those things the Kelvin would have ended up like later starships found all destroyed by Nero at Vulcan.
So even though it was a survey vessel they built it to be durable and be able to possibly move faster like a scout ship it was built with several mounted defenses that allows it to respond to incoming torpedoes and possibly attacks from other starships. The Kelvin's defense were effective against the physical nanite torpedoes. But couldn't take all of them out as the Narada was still way to advanced compared to the Kelvin. I will admit the ship is kinda impressive for having the ability to withstand as long as it did and long enough to be able to put power into ramming the Highly advanced Romulan Mining Vessel that was even more powerful from all that borg tech it had.

tom61sto

No

thevampinator wrote: »

The vessel was inspired by submarines. The ship possibly patroling near klingon Space or surveying planets near the area and because of this might have been equipt with weapons and Polarized hull plating to counteract a possible klingon ambush. Star Fleet used to build their star ships to be very durible to protect against the dangers of space but as technology got more advanced. I'd imagine they stopped doing this in favor ship shielding like the ones seen in the later 23rd and 24th centuries since it gave more room and it took less to construct them I believe. Once deflector shields became a big thing the need to have Polarized hull plating wasn't as great. So they didn't add extra hull plating to the starships because the energy shields are much more efficient of course the price of doing this was the hull was weaker and more vulnerable if the shields failed.

Ships that didn't use Polarized hull plating might be more vulnerable to destruction then ships with Polarized hull plating. So a ship with Polarized hull plating might be able to survive more then ships without it. I think this is why it was able to take the missiles from Neros ship better then the later starships launched as I imagine they moved away from Polarized hull plating and went to using the cheaper energy deflector shield method. Since I think the Kelvin given how it managed to handle a fight better against Nero's ship compared to the later ship classes. I'd think at that time it would have had to have some form of Polarized hull plating plus the other defenses it had built into the ship to protect it from a klingon ambush that made it possible for that starship to hold off the far more highly advanced Romulan Borg Ship it was up against. If it wasn't for those things the Kelvin would have ended up like later starships found all destroyed by Nero at Vulcan.
So even though it was a survey vessel they built it to be durable and be able to possibly move faster like a scout ship it was built with several mounted defenses that allows it to respond to incoming torpedoes and possibly attacks from other starships. The Kelvin's defense were effective against the physical nanite torpedoes. But couldn't take all of them out as the Narada was still way to advanced compared to the Kelvin. I will admit the ship is kinda impressive for having the ability to withstand as long as it did and long enough to be able to put power into ramming the Highly advanced Romulan Mining Vessel that was even stronger because it had borg technology.

That sounds far more like a Heavy Destroyer, if not a Battle Cruiser or Battleship, than a Submarine or Scout ship to me, at least compared to both modern Scout Naval ships and Scout Starships in game. Also, being Borg, the Narada adapts, including the shrapnel torpedoes, so that much later engagement it likely had even better functionality at that time. Probably also helping is that the Kelvin is pretty large, comparing the scenes with it and the Narada and later scenes with the Kelvin Constitution to the Narada, the Kelvin is only slighty shorter, but most of that is saucer, meaning a lot more surface area.

thevampinator

Yes it should be a Survey Science Scout

tom61sto wrote: »

thevampinator wrote: »

The vessel was inspired by submarines. The ship possibly patroling near klingon Space or surveying planets near the area and because of this might have been equipt with weapons and Polarized hull plating to counteract a possible klingon ambush. Star Fleet used to build their star ships to be very durible to protect against the dangers of space but as technology got more advanced. I'd imagine they stopped doing this in favor ship shielding like the ones seen in the later 23rd and 24th centuries since it gave more room and it took less to construct them I believe. Once deflector shields became a big thing the need to have Polarized hull plating wasn't as great. So they didn't add extra hull plating to the starships because the energy shields are much more efficient of course the price of doing this was the hull was weaker and more vulnerable if the shields failed.

Ships that didn't use Polarized hull plating might be more vulnerable to destruction then ships with Polarized hull plating. So a ship with Polarized hull plating might be able to survive more then ships without it. I think this is why it was able to take the missiles from Neros ship better then the later starships launched as I imagine they moved away from Polarized hull plating and went to using the cheaper energy deflector shield method. Since I think the Kelvin given how it managed to handle a fight better against Nero's ship compared to the later ship classes. I'd think at that time it would have had to have some form of Polarized hull plating plus the other defenses it had built into the ship to protect it from a klingon ambush that made it possible for that starship to hold off the far more highly advanced Romulan Borg Ship it was up against. If it wasn't for those things the Kelvin would have ended up like later starships found all destroyed by Nero at Vulcan.
So even though it was a survey vessel they built it to be durable and be able to possibly move faster like a scout ship it was built with several mounted defenses that allows it to respond to incoming torpedoes and possibly attacks from other starships. The Kelvin's defense were effective against the physical nanite torpedoes. But couldn't take all of them out as the Narada was still way to advanced compared to the Kelvin. I will admit the ship is kinda impressive for having the ability to withstand as long as it did and long enough to be able to put power into ramming the Highly advanced Romulan Mining Vessel that was even stronger because it had borg technology.

That sounds far more like a Heavy Destroyer, if not a Battle Cruiser or Battleship, than a Submarine or Scout ship to me, at least compared to both modern Scout Naval ships and Scout Starships in game. Also, being Borg, the Narada adapts, including the shrapnel torpedoes, so that much later engagement it likely had even better functionality at that time. Probably also helping is that the Kelvin is pretty large, comparing the scenes with it and the Narada and later scenes with the Kelvin Constitution to the Narada, the Kelvin is only slighty shorter, but most of that is saucer, meaning a lot more surface area.

It is possible during the years the ship grew to be the size that it was. According to the memory alpha the ship was 6 miles or 5 miles long. Larger then the Enterprise J even. So at six miles, possibly three Enterprise Js in length and we know the Kelvin constition was were built a lot larger larger to where the size is bigger then the 24th century Galaxy but shorter then the odysseys. Going by how it is sized in Sto https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Constitution_class_(alternate_reality) many conflicting sizes on the size of the kelvin connie but Sto uses the measurements found in the blueray or something thus making it bigger then the prime galaxy class. The difference in size might be because of what they were facing at the time because of the size of the Narada because of the threat of such a vessel Starfleet started making their vessels bigger. So the kelvin starships after the Kelvins destruction are huge compared to the prime Constitution Enterprise. Even the Kelvin Constitution is a lot bigger then the Prime Constitution because of the incident with Nero.

lianthelia

No

But that would need to make the D7 a Science Vessel or make them separate and people would probably complain or something.

They're okay how they are.

thevampinator

Yes it should be a Survey Science Scout

lianthelia wrote: »

But that would need to make the D7 a Science Vessel or make them separate and people would probably complain or something.

They're okay how they are.

The prime univere's D7 was built to counter the Primes Conistution class. So I think it would be more like the Connie then
the Einstein class because of the reasons for its design to begin with. So its possible Kelvin Voq, came up with the design to counter the Kelvin timeline Connie if that is the case then it would possibly be a lot bigger then the Prime realities d7.

duasyn

No

Cryptic seems to think the sweet spot of weapons layout is 5/3 for selling things, so that's why we get destroyers and etc.

angrytarg

Other

I don't lnow what a "survey scout" is supposed to be either.

In my opinion it should be a science vessel, maybe multi-mission layout (Vesta) with Miracle Worker spec. But that would be not attractive for a lockbox prize I guess. The D7 is also miss-classified, that's not a destroyer either.

redeyedraven

Other

What's seen on screen actually indicates an Exploration-CRUISER. The Kelvin is BIG, has old-TRIBBLE PHASE-cannons used for point-defense and a few PHASER-beam-emitters (or turrets).

I said it in the other thread… somebody must have confused the Kelvin with the non-Canon Saladin/Akula-types, which HAD the destroyer-role (at least the first several years after they were introduced, after which they became frigates while the Miranda shifted from light cruiser to destroyer-duty).

It makes absolutely no sense, but I will probably enjoy the destroyer and roll with it.

spiritborn

Actually destroyers aren't really that small, they're medium sized ships, orginally destroyers were meant to hunt submarines and gunships solo so they're as big as light cruisers (destroyers only took the "heavy escort" role when it was noticed that the oceans are too big to reliably hunt subs in).

redeyedraven

Other

spiritborn wrote: »

Actually destroyers aren't really that small, they're medium sized ships, orginally destroyers were meant to hunt submarines and gunships solo so they're as big as light cruisers (destroyers only took the "heavy escort" role when it was noticed that the oceans are too big to reliably hunt subs in).

Except Starfleet kept claiming not having any dedicated warship-classes until the Borg became a thing. And even then they neglected to go through with it until the Dominion was knocking at the door. If memory serves, even the designation of Heavy Cruiser for the original Enterprise didn't show up until TWOK (merely on a display on the bridge).

Actual naval classifications don't translate that well into the ST-ships. Canonically, most ships we saw were not mentioned by Military role. We know of vague "klingon warships" and romulan "warbirds", Klingon Bird of Prey, Vor'cha-class attack cruiser, K'Vort-class battlecruiser, Ambassador-class heavy cruiser, Defiant-class Escort/Warship (any more vague please!) and Constitution-class heavy cruiser. Everything else is usually just considered a starship (federation and everything else) or warship (klingon and sometimes others). In TNG 'Relics', Scotty mentions "Starship" and "Starcruiser" as actual classifications, too. Not to Mention several inconsistencies like USS Lantree. Like it's a class XYZ supply-ship with class XYZ weaponry. Thanks. Now we know because we absolutely know that list.



This is something the FASA-universe did a lot better IMO, but Roddenberry felt offended by that.

Back to my previous statement. STO simply has three basic ship-"roles". Often, Cryptic tries to translate what's SEEN on screen into one of those archetypes.

And going by SEEN ON SCREEN, Kelvin would fit 'Exploration Cruiser' perfectly fine. Destroyer? Nah. I want some of what they were Smoking that day.

redeyedraven

Other

spiritborn wrote: »

Actually destroyers aren't really that small, they're medium sized ships, orginally destroyers were meant to hunt submarines and gunships solo so they're as big as light cruisers (destroyers only took the "heavy escort" role when it was noticed that the oceans are too big to reliably hunt subs in).

I was going by STO-logic. The heavy destroyer is basically going to be another Escort with Cruiser-stuff or perhaps the other way around. Cryptic usually goes by what's seen on screen and try to fit that into one of their three ship-archetypes, and Cruiser is simply more fitting for the Kelvin. Exploration-Cruiser would be the screen-accurate thing.


Real-world Military/naval roles do not translate well into Star Trek at all btw. The writing was usually not addressing that at all, and when it did it was either super-vague or inconsistent.

It went so far that Warbird and Bird of Prey became their own roles. Romulan ship? Warbird. Klingon small ship with wings? Bird of Prey.

I think the original Enterprise wasn't even considered a heavy cruiser until a display in TWoK said that. And in TNG's Relics, Scotty mentions Starship and Starcruiser as roles.

Then you get episodes like Unnatural Selection, where all of the sudden ships and Equipment get designated by class and number, as if we ever had a System like that established.

Most of the times, Starfleet-officers refer to their ship as a 'Federation-starship' or just a 'Starfleet-vessel'. This is probably the most consistent you will ever get.

There is just no consistent way of telling, and in the context of STO it frankly doesn't matter because STO has its own logic. If you can call it that. However, it's more consistent than canon when it comes to ship-roles.

ltminns

Look to the Veteran Ships as they are Heavy Destroyers.

ltminns

All I can say is 'I fought the Lore, and the Lore won'.

redeyedraven

Other

The mining-lore had too many asteroid-breaker-devices.

leemwatson

Yes it should be a Survey Science Scout

thegrandnagus1 wrote: »

thevampinator wrote: »

Also both are equal and good sources.

No, a canon source is not "equal" to a non canon source, sorry. The "good" part is subjective, so I won't dispute that term.

Since Sto itself is also Beta Canon and Sto uses stuff from mostly canon but also from beta canon too. So both carry weight with the game. memory beta gives us the ship class name and Memory alpha gives us the details of why they designed the way it was. Along with any other information about the ship that is known. Memory Beta fills in the gaps of what is missing in this case the name of the ship class.

Your logic is simply flawed. Despite what some overly fanatical players might think, STO is not canon. And neither is memory beta. So if your goal with this thread is to argue that the Kelvin is not being properly classified in STO, a non canon source is not going to prove anything. Both STO and memory beta are equally non canon. One cannot prove or disprove the other.

The only way you could legitimately argue that STO is not doing something right is if you actually have an example of canon that says so. If there isn't one, then the devs are free to classify the ship however they want (unless CBS says otherwise).

Having said all that, I think they are more concerned with the business aspect of making a ship as desirable as possible to their customers. If they think a ship will sell better with a certain type of layout vs another, I'm sure that is a main driver in their design (again, unless CBS says otherwise).

The actual term for the STO storyline is soft-canon, which came from one of the Dev's last year or so, and it's 'more canon' than memory beta due to the collaborations between CBS and Cryptic. Examples being Killy's story in STO coming from an aborted script for DSC which was passed on to Cryptic for use, and with 'some' of STO's backstory possibly making it into Picard.

thevampinator

Yes it should be a Survey Science Scout

redeyedraven wrote: »

spiritborn wrote: »

Actually destroyers aren't really that small, they're medium sized ships, orginally destroyers were meant to hunt submarines and gunships solo so they're as big as light cruisers (destroyers only took the "heavy escort" role when it was noticed that the oceans are too big to reliably hunt subs in).

I was going by STO-logic. The heavy destroyer is basically going to be another Escort with Cruiser-stuff or perhaps the other way around. Cryptic usually goes by what's seen on screen and try to fit that into one of their three ship-archetypes, and Cruiser is simply more fitting for the Kelvin. Exploration-Cruiser would be the screen-accurate thing.


Real-world Military/naval roles do not translate well into Star Trek at all btw. The writing was usually not addressing that at all, and when it did it was either super-vague or inconsistent.

It went so far that Warbird and Bird of Prey became their own roles. Romulan ship? Warbird. Klingon small ship with wings? Bird of Prey.

I think the original Enterprise wasn't even considered a heavy cruiser until a display in TWoK said that. And in TNG's Relics, Scotty mentions Starship and Starcruiser as roles.

Then you get episodes like Unnatural Selection, where all of the sudden ships and Equipment get designated by class and number, as if we ever had a System like that established.

Most of the times, Starfleet-officers refer to their ship as a 'Federation-starship' or just a 'Starfleet-vessel'. This is probably the most consistent you will ever get.

There is just no consistent way of telling, and in the context of STO it frankly doesn't matter because STO has its own logic. If you can call it that. However, it's more consistent than canon when it comes to ship-roles.

Well when you get different writers and different directors there is always bound to be inconsistencies do to the fact. I do like that cryptic does try to be screen accurate. Starfleet has always been Navel though. Gene Based it on the Us Navy and I think maybe the name enterprise came from this. Starfleet might not be a Military organization but it sure acts like one. In the way it requires uniforms and also the command and military style regulations. Its kinda like a merging of early Nasa but with Navy terminology and ranks. Of course Starfleet could maybe change star ships to be a certain type of thing that is needed or maybe assign terminology to what they feel a starship best performs at. Given the size of the Federation and Starfleet leadership itself changes possibly quite often. Things might change ranks might change ship classification might change uniform styles might change. In a way this can explain away the inconsistencies mostly.

redeyedraven

Other

thevampinator wrote: »

Well when you get different writers and different directors there is always bound to be inconsistencies do to the fact. I do like that cryptic does try to be screen accurate. Starfleet has always been Navel though.

N(aval)C(onstruction)C(ontract). That already proves a naval structure. I know that. But I also didn't mean to kick off yet another of THESE discussions.

My message was: roles/classifications canonically usually not addressed and/or inconsistent, Kelvin did not seem destroyer-like, and that I will still enjoy that ship. Plus I jokingly stated the devs can't tell Kelvin and Saladin apart.

thevampinator

Yes it should be a Survey Science Scout

redeyedraven wrote: »

thevampinator wrote: »

Well when you get different writers and different directors there is always bound to be inconsistencies do to the fact. I do like that cryptic does try to be screen accurate. Starfleet has always been Navel though.

N(aval)C(onstruction)C(ontract). That already proves a naval structure. I know that. But I also didn't mean to kick off yet another of THESE discussions.

My message was: roles/classifications canonically usually not addressed and/or inconsistent, Kelvin did not seem destroyer-like, and that I will still enjoy that ship. Plus I jokingly stated the devs can't tell Kelvin and Saladin apart.

Well it was designed to look more militaristic with a more submarine type feel to it. Starfleet might make differant designs depending on what the starships might be dealing with. I'm not sure what to call a type of vessel like this one. But it has the feel of being more like an Attack submarine after looking up the types of submairnes. Going by what it says on the Alpha and also it says about attack subs. Best guess would be this type of starship was designed to be a type of multipurpose vessels. So in essence the kelvin itself might be a Multipurpose starship able to feel many different roles and not just the role of a Heavy Destroyer. So it could also serve as a scout, a escort, a survey ship a science vessel. Or anything Starfleet needs it to be. Hence it would be more like an attack starship or its own class of vessel because of its design. *Shrugs*

iamjmph

Other

From Memory Alpha:"A dossier on the official website for the movie Star Trek states that the Kelvin was used primarily as a survey vessel. [10] However, before the film's release, Roberto Orci hinted that, while science was one of the Kelvin's functions, the vessel was not "a strict science ship." [11] Once, production designer Scott Chambliss even characterized the craft as a "big warship." (Star Trek Magazine issue 144, p. 40)"

I don't really care as I think it looks stupid so i wont be getting it, but...
i don't think the production designer is all that knowledgeable of trek lore. If the Kelvin existed in Prime(which it does according to the theory that the timeline split because of it's destruction), then this is before the Klingon War(i'm pretty sure it's pre-DSC) and thus the Federation had been at peace for awhile. Yes they had been in a "cold war" for like 10 years at that point, but Marcus doesn't seem to feel the need to arm starfleet until the events of the 09 Star Trek happen.
Maybe he starts looking when the Kelvin is destroyed, but certainly not before. So, the Federation wouldn't have a "Big Warship" at this point as they try to appear to be friendly to new races. I think the Vengeance(thats marcus's ship right) is the first Federation Warship.
It's officially a survey ship but WoG says not strictly science. So a Science Destroyer? Another Recon Destroyer? Maybe a new Survey Destroyer?

lasonio

I don't see there being a change to the ship. It will be released as a tac ship not a sci ship. Seeing into the basic, the wont put cram work into a ship after the fact.

I doubt they will just turn around redo the layout remove all the tac components put in another deflector dis blah blah blah to then release it to be up to date with the current meta.

So no matter what aesthetic look or feel players want from it it is irrelevant and you guys are working yourselves into a frothy lather for absolutely nothing.

Also remember most of the people working in the studio already know all of this, but just remember this moto, its what they used in series and is the same it shall be with the game... It doesn't have to make sense it just has to make money.

Cash is king, and cash says it's a tactical ship with the same lay out as the patrol escort

Though i am still getting more and more odded out by the fact that past relic ships are more powerful then current top of the line ships...

thegrandnagus1

Other

leemwatson wrote: »

thegrandnagus1 wrote: »

thevampinator wrote: »

Also both are equal and good sources.

No, a canon source is not "equal" to a non canon source, sorry. The "good" part is subjective, so I won't dispute that term.

Since Sto itself is also Beta Canon and Sto uses stuff from mostly canon but also from beta canon too. So both carry weight with the game. memory beta gives us the ship class name and Memory alpha gives us the details of why they designed the way it was. Along with any other information about the ship that is known. Memory Beta fills in the gaps of what is missing in this case the name of the ship class.

Your logic is simply flawed. Despite what some overly fanatical players might think, STO is not canon. And neither is memory beta. So if your goal with this thread is to argue that the Kelvin is not being properly classified in STO, a non canon source is not going to prove anything. Both STO and memory beta are equally non canon. One cannot prove or disprove the other.

The only way you could legitimately argue that STO is not doing something right is if you actually have an example of canon that says so. If there isn't one, then the devs are free to classify the ship however they want (unless CBS says otherwise).

Having said all that, I think they are more concerned with the business aspect of making a ship as desirable as possible to their customers. If they think a ship will sell better with a certain type of layout vs another, I'm sure that is a main driver in their design (again, unless CBS says otherwise).

The actual term for the STO storyline is soft-canon, which came from one of the Dev's last year or so,

So, here is the thing: the devs don't decide what is canon. Only the license holder, CBS, decides what is canon. So if CBS comes out and says this game is canon, or "soft canon", or whatever, then that will actually mean something. But no one who works at Cryptic gets to decide the "canon status" of this game.

and it's 'more canon' than memory beta due to the collaborations between CBS and Cryptic. Examples being Killy's story in STO coming from an aborted script for DSC which was passed on to Cryptic for use, and with 'some' of STO's backstory possibly making it into Picard.

Pretty much every licensed game, comic, and novel involves collaboration with the license holder. STO is not unique in this regard.