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jbyrd1205
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has sto even brought up what's going to happen to sto a year after sTpicard / anything thats going to change cause i heard this isn't cannon but source B like books
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if I stop posting it doesn't make you right it. just means I don't have enough rum to continue interacting with you.
There is no such thing. There is canon and not canon. Canon are the shows and movies - if set in the prime timeline, those events future works must adhere to. Everything else (books, games etc.) they can ignore. Canon is not soft or hard. It just is.
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Actually there is "soft canon" which is why the term even exists. TAS was considered soft (or quasi) canon for a long time for instance. Paramount put requirements into their Star Trek game licensing that required FASA to run any lore or tech past them for approval before publishing (and both technically had joint ownership of events and ships and whatnot that FASA introduced) which made it in effect a sort of soft canon whenever it did not conflict with onscreen content (and quite a bit of FASA stuff made it into onscreen Trek in various, usually minor, ways).
CBS cooperating with STO to do something that enhances both is not unheard of behavior.
This may change of course since they want to make a huge universe thing with comic books and such and may redefine what is canon but so far this didn't happen.
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Honestly I always viewed it like this:
Events from novels, like for example the Invasion books, can take place between events in Canon, but are never referenced. Events from some games, like Armada, never took place and may conflict with certain other events that took place at that time.
If This^ lot is all classed as cannon, and people get their knickers in a twist over it's definition - it should serve as a bit of a reminder of how silly the whole thing is (same with religion).
Exactly. And for completeness, this image is Cannon too:
Honestly the SW canon scale (the pre-Disney one that is) wasn't that hard to figure out, you had the movies, most of the EU (including things like novelizations of the movies) that were canon as long they didn't counterdict the movies, some older EU works that were deemed semi-canon and officially lincensed works that were deemed non-canon for what ever reasons (mostly "what if" works).
Trek canon is even more simple then what you said, you got canon that is the films and TVs-series and non-canon officially licensed the official stance makes no difference between media of the work so comics, novels and games are treated identically as in they can be referenced but have no impact what so ever unless referenced in a canon work.
And yes I know the religious origin of the word "canon", but it can be used here due "lack of a better term", since I doubt most people would confuse our dicussion here with a discussion of what books should be included in the bible.
What is the actual official canon policy as dictated by CBS? Not public knowledge, since CBS has apparently decided that it's something for their writers to know about, and the rest of us to wonder about. The only reference on the Startrek.com website is a label describing the database as "canon". But it doesn't really explain the significance of that.
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> The REALLY weird part is when you realize that the "On screen is canon, and only on-screen" is actually not a proper summary of the CBS canon policy. Thus it's fan-cruft.
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> What is the actual official canon policy as dictated by CBS? Not public knowledge, since CBS has apparently decided that it's something for their writers to know about, and the rest of us to wonder about. The only reference on the Startrek.com website is a label describing the database as "canon". But it doesn't really explain the significance of that.
Is it "weird" though? Isn't it just common sense?
Star Trek is a TV-Show franchise. And until recently wasn't made for the hardcore fans but as a show for the casual viewer (for everyone). You will never see a viewer of that TV show to have to read a book to understand what happens in episode 22, they will always just assume that people watched the show, sometimes the older shows and even then events are usually overexplained (Voyager was the worst, with Tuvok and Seven especially expositioning their species and racial traits every other episode).
So everything that is considered canon is what could be seen on TV or maybe in the movies, although the movies often invented plots that required even little knowledge of the shows. Everything else is background fluff (which may or may not be respected by canon) or unrelated works which' events will be ignored entirely.
Besides, there are CBS definitions of canon a plenty, and they never significantly changed. You are right they are not convieniently available, but still public. The latest being tweets of Discovery's writers.
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And yes there have been many different statements about what is canon....
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I disagree with that logic. Also, religion is not silly and has led to the hospitals, YMCAs (now just the Y), etc that we have today. But yeah Star Trek has never been consistent with its continuity in the Star Trek TV shows.
That was an awesome comeback. That image indeed is cannon. lol
There's this big bike event every year that goes from Seattle to Portland that gets abreviated to STP.
Besides... what's this need to put ST in front of everything now? We don't do it for TOS, TNG, DS9, ENT, VOY...
People only do it for Discovery because they want to attack it for "not being Trek", which for the record... by who's definition are we using? As for Picard... we don't know if it will get an acronym or just be Picard due to the fact that its rather sort for a title.
I have never used ENT or VOY since they are not acronyms. I could always separate the ship from the show with USS Voyager and Voyager or USS Discovery and Discovery. However, the new Picard series will be more annoying. Might have to go with Jean-Luc Picard or ST: Picard to distinguish between the two since the show is officially called Star Trek: Picard. Discovery is officially called Star Trek: Discovery which could explain the TRIBBLE acronym that some people used. Some obviously used it for the negative connotations, but that is not true for everyone.
Though, technically none of the abbreviations is actually an acronym. Acronyms are things like "RADAR" that are pronounced like a word. DS9 is not an acronym since the 3 characters don't make a word.
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Considering that even Jean-Luc himself pronounces his name like that, is that a sign of a unique French/British alliance or cooperation that influenced the French language more than the French purists today would allow?
#LegalizeAwoo
A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Which is funny. Why Picard has to be french while they chose an actor who was so far away from being french as possible I mean, we will never understand.
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I dunno, if he was, say, a Chinese, Finnish or Indian actor, he might linguistically be even further away from being french.
Why did they pick the guys they did to play Khan?
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
Not clear on why anyone feels a need to shorten it anyway; Picard is only three characters longer to type, completely unambiguous, and one syllable shorter to say.
Part of it is for disambiguation. Abbreviating the show PIC or PCD is less likely to be confused with the character Picard for instance, just like using ENT makes it clear one is talking about the series itself and not one of the many ships named Enterprise in Trek.
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> Not clear on why anyone feels a need to shorten it anyway; Picard is only three characters longer to type, completely unambiguous, and one syllable shorter to say.
Tradition.