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Temporal agent stuff

renata666renata666 Member Posts: 284 Arc User
edited September 2023 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Not sure if this is the correct forum, but here goes. Considering that Star Fleet has had experience with time travel at least as far back as TOS and maybe Enterprise, would it really be necessary for your Discovery and TOS characters to hide their identities in the 25th century?

Thoughts?
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    tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
    No idea about Discovery ones, but the TOS Captain needed a new identity because they died at The Battle of Caleb IV.

    The Time Police generally tend to keep as much about their existence and agents a secret from the people of the past whenever possible. The Temporal Prime Directive is still a thing in the future.
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    seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    edited July 2019
    I always assumed that the brass at Starfleet knows that my 'Temporal Recruit' is from the past.

    Probably wouldn't make it public knowledge, but really there is no reason I can think of to hide their identity. It's not like they did anything wrong. Besides, it would look a little suspicious that they don't have any academy transcripts, or past prior to joining Starfleet. Unless of course, they forged those to cover for some reason.

    You're not a criminal in hiding, so no.. it makes no sense.
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    seaofsorrows wrote: »
    I always assumed that the brass at Starfleet knows that my 'Temporal Recruit' is from the past.

    Probably wouldn't make it public knowledge, but really there is no reason I can think of to hide their identity. It's not like they did anything wrong. Besides, it would look a little suspicious that they don't have any academy transcripts, or past prior to joining Starfleet. Unless of course, they forged those to cover for some reason.

    You're not a criminal in hiding, so no.. it makes no sense.
    Well, you ARE hiding, just not a criminal.

    Daniels mentions that he gave you a new identity, that presumably includes a cover story for your past.
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    seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    I understand that, but it doesn't make sense.

    There is no reason for Temporal Recruits to hide.
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    seaofsorrows wrote: »
    I understand that, but it doesn't make sense.

    There is no reason for Temporal Recruits to hide.
    You're hiding from history. History says you're dead.
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    renata666renata666 Member Posts: 284 Arc User
    I'm starting to think, Starfleet admiralty might be aware of you. Consequently, it would not be difficult to least create a new record for you in the academy. But you would be restricted. You could never contact your descendants. And considering that Vulcans are long lived, you'd have some really hard situations there. The Vulcans or any other long lived species could never contact their relatives and/or spouses.
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    seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    markhawkman wrote: »
    seaofsorrows wrote: »
    I understand that, but it doesn't make sense.

    There is no reason for Temporal Recruits to hide.
    You're hiding from history. History says you're dead.

    I'm not sure why you keep explaining things that are already clearly understood.

    It still doesn't make sense, there is no gain to having a temporal recruit pretend to be someone else. Why exactly would they not just tell Starfleet what happened so they can amend the record to show that you were caught in a temporal anomaly and are now a current member of starfleet?

    We all understand what's happening, it's not hard to grasp. It's just pointless and doesn't really make much sense since the secrecy is totally unnecessary.
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    avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,196 Arc User
    I wish they'd fix the issue with the reward for finding all temporal probes not unlocking.
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    markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,231 Arc User
    seaofsorrows wrote: »
    It's just pointless and doesn't really make much sense since the secrecy is totally unnecessary.
    My contention is that the secrecy IS needed. In the case of TOS characters anyways. There is a very specific branching point and while you could try to make a cover story, I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't buy it, especially people who review the logs of the Klingons...
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    gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,190 Arc User
    Well, i dont think that even stafleet knows who are temporal operatives, that gives them a better range of actions.. kinda like section 31..
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    iamjmphiamjmph Member Posts: 210 Arc User
    gaevsman wrote: »
    Well, i dont think that even stafleet knows who are temporal operatives, that gives them a better range of actions.. kinda like section 31..

    I'd agree but for one thing. Once you hit 2409, the ONLY difference between you and any other captain is the original recruit stuff. So, what do they need a better range of action for?

    Daniel's does make it sound as if no one in 2409 can/does know though so i'm going with it's hidden. The why is a bit strange. Yes history says you died, but as has been said Starfleet has had enough time... problems.. to be able to acknowledge something strange occurred that allowed you to be alive in the future.

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    davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,512 Arc User
    edited July 2019
    Perhaps you must remain hidden so that when you operate in the future you haven't been flagged as a time agent and kept on watch lists by enemies of the future alliance?

    Enemies keeping watch for 100 known temporal agents is much more practical than trying to search through trillions of records of deceased officers to look for someone who ought to be dead (and so must be an agent).

    Possibly also so that you don't become a target for assassination by enemy agent while during normal missions in 2409.
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    leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,345 Arc User
    They simply don't want people thinking Time Travel is 'that' easy. Just imagine how freaked your 'extended' family will be when you turn up on their doorstep in the future. Better to let the past be the past.

    Ignorance isn't just bliss, it's protection from harm in this case.
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    siotaylorsiotaylor Member Posts: 296 Arc User
    The odd thing is... history says you died, so you get a sparkly new id and go to ESD to meet Quinn... So what of all the other new graduates from the academy who never met you... the possibility of vulcans who knew you first time round being still alive and by now high ranking officers (probably admirals)...
    At least some of the admiralty must know, especially with the temporal guy outside Quinn's office all day meeting the same inexplicably new captains all the time... And S31 almost certainly know... they're probably behind the fake IDs after all.
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    tyler002tyler002 Member Posts: 1,586 Arc User
    edited July 2019
    Given the size of Starfleet, they're probably banking on the fact that few people ever meet the other cadets from their Academy time.

    Even if you met a Vulcan who lived in the TOS-era and managed to survive into the 25th century, you've been gone and out of mind for a long time. Not to mention you were probably nothing more to them than "that person I once passed in the hall on the way to work".
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