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Voth Bulwarks in exchange

How are they tradeable? curious cause I thought they only come from phoenix boxes UR tokens. Is there another way to get them?

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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 7,036 Community Moderator
    The original Voth Lockbox?
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,600 Arc User
    Once upon a time, they dropped from Romulan Survivor Duty Officer packs.

    Now they’re only available via the Phoenix Box. The ones on the exchange are super old.
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  • lordmerc22lordmerc22 Member Posts: 776 Arc User
    I see so they are "relics" of the past in a way
  • doctorstegidoctorstegi Member Posts: 795 Arc User
    The original Voth Lockbox?

    The Bulwark was never in the Voth Lockbox.
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  • garaks31garaks31 Member Posts: 2,827 Arc User
    ahhh the good old days when i sold 3 of them for 1b each before phoenix...
  • gaevsmangaevsman Member Posts: 3,042 Arc User
    lordmerc22 wrote: »
    I see so they are "relics" of the past in a way

    Yes, they are fossils of the past..
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 9,373 Arc User
    edited June 2019
    garaks31 wrote: »
    ahhh the good old days when i sold 3 of them for 1b each before phoenix...

    Given the Phoenix token drop rates they might still be worth that ... if we could sell our tokens :(

  • misterlerkmisterlerk Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    gaevsman wrote: »
    lordmerc22 wrote: »
    I see so they are "relics" of the past in a way

    Yes, they are fossils of the past..
    *insert joke about dinosaurs here*
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    misterlerk wrote: »
    gaevsman wrote: »
    lordmerc22 wrote: »
    I see so they are "relics" of the past in a way

    Yes, they are fossils of the past..
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  • lordmerc22lordmerc22 Member Posts: 776 Arc User
    garaks31 wrote: »
    ahhh the good old days when i sold 3 of them for 1b each before phoenix...

    The few I see from time to time on exchange are also over 1b which feels weird nowadays for a T5U ship
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    lordmerc22 wrote: »
    garaks31 wrote: »
    ahhh the good old days when i sold 3 of them for 1b each before phoenix...

    The few I see from time to time on exchange are also over 1b which feels weird nowadays for a T5U ship
    It's rare, that's what count.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,600 Arc User
    Desirability counts too.. that's why these 1b Packs have been sitting on the exchange since 2014.

    No one is going to pay 1B for a T5 ship.. even a rare one.
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    Desirability counts too.. that's why these 1b Packs have been sitting on the exchange since 2014.

    No one is going to pay 1B for a T5 ship.. even a rare one.
    People paid a lot more than 1B for Bulwarks before the phoenix box provided an alternate supply.
  • seriousdaveseriousdave Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited June 2019
    Well, the bulwark completes the voth console set which enables the battle cloak. Some people go absolutely nuts when they hear "cloak" or "battle cloak" so I'm sure there are still some who will cough up ~1B EC for it.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,600 Arc User
    edited June 2019
    warpangel wrote: »
    Desirability counts too.. that's why these 1b Packs have been sitting on the exchange since 2014.

    No one is going to pay 1B for a T5 ship.. even a rare one.
    People paid a lot more than 1B for Bulwarks before the phoenix box provided an alternate supply.

    Yes, back in 2014-15.

    To do now would be ludicrous even if it wasn't in the Phoenix box and we both know it. The ship is horribly outdated.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 54,455 Community Moderator
    Some people go absolutely nuts when they hear "cloak" or "battle cloak"...

    Battle Cloak more than anything really. A standard cloak is only really good for that first initial attack.
    To do now would be ludicrous even if it wasn't in the Phoenix box and we both know it. The ship is horribly outdated.

    The only way its outdated is the lack of specialist seating. Any T5U is still viable, and a veteran ship builder can make a good build. And then you have collectors who want to be able to complete sets. So it has more value than just combat effeciency alone.

    Also I think it comes with one of the VERY FEW Wide Angle Torpedos in the game. On the other hand I don't think that the Transphasic Chroniton can be upgraded at this time, making it less appealing than the Quantum.
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  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 3,620 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Some people go absolutely nuts when they hear "cloak" or "battle cloak"...

    Battle Cloak more than anything really. A standard cloak is only really good for that first initial attack.
    To do now would be ludicrous even if it wasn't in the Phoenix box and we both know it. The ship is horribly outdated.

    The only way its outdated is the lack of specialist seating. Any T5U is still viable, and a veteran ship builder can make a good build. And then you have collectors who want to be able to complete sets. So it has more value than just combat effeciency alone.

    Also I think it comes with one of the VERY FEW Wide Angle Torpedos in the game. On the other hand I don't think that the Transphasic Chroniton can be upgraded at this time, making it less appealing than the Quantum.
    Not sure when it was changed as for the longest time we could not upgrade it. But the wide angle torpedo can be upgraded now. I have it on my wide angle torpedo build.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 54,455 Community Moderator
    Oh nice. Since I don't have any Voth ships I wouldn't have known that. Of the non faction ships I have, I kinda like my Xindi-Primate Dread Cruiser and T5U Xindi-Aquatic Carrier. The Aquatic is nasty with elite Primate Heavy Fighters.
    The T5U Malon Battlecruiser is one of my joke builds that actually works. Dumps pretty much every kind of gas except for the Pilot ability.
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  • lordsteve1lordsteve1 Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    The Bulwark is still a beastly ship even being only T5U at max.
    It lacks the T6 treatment but honestly it is still very viable considering how easy most of the content is these days.

    Those ones on the Exchange though are ancient relics of times past, when it was the equivalent of the current Disco-prise; an ultra rare promotional prize.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,600 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    The only way its outdated is the lack of specialist seating. Any T5U is still viable, and a veteran ship builder can make a good build. And then you have collectors who want to be able to complete sets. So it has more value than just combat effeciency alone.

    You totally missed the point. The discussion was never about the viability of the ship it was about current value.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,457 Arc User
    Once they get around to T6ifying the Voth Ships, the Bulwark will probably get slipped into the R&D Infinity Box.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 54,455 Community Moderator
    You totally missed the point. The discussion was never about the viability of the ship it was about current value.

    And how does one guage the value of a ship? By age alone?
    Sure as a T5 it may not be as desirable, but it seems to still be viable at endgame. So what exactly is being measured to determine the value?
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,600 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    You totally missed the point. The discussion was never about the viability of the ship it was about current value.

    And how does one guage the value of a ship? By age alone?
    Sure as a T5 it may not be as desirable, but it seems to still be viable at endgame. So what exactly is being measured to determine the value?

    This is silly, you're arguing for the sake of arguing.

    Any ship is viable.. that's not the same as optimal. Obviously, a T5 doesn't have the bells and whistles that people like.

    It's ridiculous that I even have to explain this.. I'm done on this silly topic.. this forum is too much sometimes.

    If you think a T5 is worth 1B knock yourself out. :lol::lol:
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  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 2,932 Arc User
    edited June 2019
    The Voth ships are a little too engie heavy for my tastes, the science one looks interesting to me though.
  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 54,455 Community Moderator
    Actually I wasn't arguing for the sake of arguing. I really didn't know how it was being determined.

    Doesn't mean I'm going out of my way to get one. I already got some decent ships.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,600 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Actually I wasn't arguing for the sake of arguing. I really didn't know how it was being determined.

    Doesn't mean I'm going out of my way to get one. I already got some decent ships.

    Fair enough man, all good! :smile:
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    edited June 2019
    warpangel wrote: »
    Desirability counts too.. that's why these 1b Packs have been sitting on the exchange since 2014.

    No one is going to pay 1B for a T5 ship.. even a rare one.
    People paid a lot more than 1B for Bulwarks before the phoenix box provided an alternate supply.

    Yes, back in 2014-15.

    To do now would be ludicrous even if it wasn't in the Phoenix box and we both know it. The ship is horribly outdated.
    If it wasn't in the phoenix box, collectors would absolutely be paying multiple billions for them. It was if not the rarest ship ever then at least the second rarest (after the gold D'Kora).

    Collectors don't care about "outdated." I got mine from the phoenix box and drydocked it immediately after claiming the admiralty card.
  • lordmerc22lordmerc22 Member Posts: 776 Arc User
    I just like the ship to be honest, it looks sort of like a Space Zepellin and its stats are good. Still 1b for a T5U that isnt account wide nor has scalling like T6s, nor has optional specialist ship is a huge stretch. Probably why lots sit still in exhange.

    But yes many T5Us are very good, as a carrier/flight deck pilot I got Fleet Kar'Fi, Advanced Obelisk and Voth Bastion that are T5U and are very fun
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