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zasz#8071 zasz Member Posts: 193 Arc User
I loved to run certain TFOs to choose from all marks like defense or starbase one but it only offers discovery and fleet marks now. Im in need of gamma marks. There is on one TFO (queue doesnt open for awhile) or the grindy gamma quadrant thingies. I missed this change in the patch notes.

Please tell me there are such TFOs left!
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  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,441 Community Moderator
    I don't believe there are.
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  • seriousdaveseriousdave Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    If I'm not mistaken Starbase One was the only TFO with all marks. Gotta do the randos now to get the more obscure marks.
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,602 Arc User
    If I'm not mistaken Starbase One was the only TFO with all marks. Gotta do the randos now to get the more obscure marks.

    IIRC The Breach has all marks available still. However, doing Random TFO's will give you choice of ANY mark in the extra reward.
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  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,365 Arc User
    Well less reason to play Starbase one now. That was one of the major reasons to play it but damn now all I have to do is just afk the other afkable Disco queues if I want marks though now I'm gonna have to drop a few reps because they only have bad queues attached to them.
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    Men are not punished by their sins, but by them. Isn't Sloth one of the big ones?
  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    zarasz wrote: »
    Im in need of gamma marks.

    The Swarm should pop sooner or later as it is supported by the rtfo system. :)
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  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,924 Arc User
    edited May 2019
    You can get your daily gamma marks in one of the three zones in the Gamma Quadrant, not like you have to do all of the zones unless it's an endeavor.

    That's what I do when I need to get some more. Just hit one of the red, blue or green zones to get enough to go a couple days filling reps.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,573 Arc User
    While not explicitly stated in the Tuesday Patch Notes, the News Blog Announcement about the Return of Discovery TFOs alluded to the fact they were all going to be Discovery or Fleet Marks choices only.

    With the Discovery TFOs out of the All Choice Marks equation, Red Alerts are another source. But as of the Discovery release in October they have become Blue Moon Red Alerts and there is no Daily Marks Bonus Box availible from them.

    Discovery Marks are not included in Endeavor Marks Choice Boxes and they are not eligible to invoke the Daily Marks Bonus. The chance of a Marks Choice Box from an Endeavor is mighty slim indeed. EC, Mats, and some Dilitium are the overwhelming favorites from the RNG there.

    As far as the RTFO special Marks Choice Award Boxes I am not sure whether they include Discovery Marks or invoke the Daily Marks Bonus.

    As far as the Breach TFO, that can become, or had become, a Featured TFO Event. Either they will leave it as it is for normal play or it will go the way of the other non-Featured TFOs, specific only. Only Featured TFOs will offer Choice Marks.

    I venture to guess that when the Summer Event releases, the Monkey and Bird Marks Choice Boxes will not have Discovery Marks as a selection. (It could very well be that Gamma isn't there either at first and will need to be added during an Update).

    We may be headed in the direction of do Featured TFOs for Choice Marks and Blue Moon Red Alerts or run specific TFOs for specific Marks.
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  • kiralynkiralyn Member Posts: 1,576 Arc User
    The summer event is coming, with birds & monkeys to grind into marks. (Not Discovery, of course.)

    Won't help you in the short term, of course.
  • westx211westx211 Member Posts: 42,365 Arc User
    edited May 2019
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    As far as the RTFO special Marks Choice Award Boxes I am not sure whether they include Discovery Marks or invoke the Daily Marks Bonus.

    They do include Discovery Marks, and the Daily bonus.

    They are also currently the only way to get Competitive Marks since those queues are dead and not part of RTFO system.
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  • anodynesanodynes Member Posts: 1,999 Arc User
    leemwatson wrote: »
    If I'm not mistaken Starbase One was the only TFO with all marks. Gotta do the randos now to get the more obscure marks.

    IIRC The Breach has all marks available still. However, doing Random TFO's will give you choice of ANY mark in the extra reward.

    Breach is currently all marks except for Discovery.
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    You can get Disco out of the RTFO reward box. It's not necessarily a LOT since it doesn't get the daily bonus, but it's enough for the daily.
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  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,573 Arc User
    Two conflicting reports about the RTFO Marks Choice providing the Daily Bonus.

    I've done an RTFO once so far and that was in response to a Universal Endeavor.
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  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    edited May 2019
    nixboox wrote: »
    ltminns wrote: »
    While not explicitly stated in the Tuesday Patch Notes, the News Blog Announcement about the Return of Discovery TFOs alluded to the fact they were all going to be Discovery or Fleet Marks choices only.

    With the Discovery TFOs out of the All Choice Marks equation, Red Alerts are another source. But as of the Discovery release in October they have become Blue Moon Red Alerts and there is no Daily Marks Bonus Box availible from them.

    Discovery Marks are not included in Endeavor Marks Choice Boxes and they are not eligible to invoke the Daily Marks Bonus. The chance of a Marks Choice Box from an Endeavor is mighty slim indeed. EC, Mats, and some Dilitium are the overwhelming favorites from the RNG there.

    As far as the RTFO special Marks Choice Award Boxes I am not sure whether they include Discovery Marks or invoke the Daily Marks Bonus.

    As far as the Breach TFO, that can become, or had become, a Featured TFO Event. Either they will leave it as it is for normal play or it will go the way of the other non-Featured TFOs, specific only. Only Featured TFOs will offer Choice Marks.

    I venture to guess that when the Summer Event releases, the Monkey and Bird Marks Choice Boxes will not have Discovery Marks as a selection. (It could very well be that Gamma isn't there either at first and will need to be added during an Update).

    We may be headed in the direction of do Featured TFOs for Choice Marks and Blue Moon Red Alerts or run specific TFOs for specific Marks.
    Why does the Endeavor reward marks box not have Discovery in it?

    Cryptic treats new marks always a bit special as they want the respective content to be played. With Disco marks they seem be a bit more generous and hand them out in rtfo boxes right away but that’s about it.

    Endeavor mark boxes list all the marks available in it and Disco marks are not part of that list. RTFO boxes have no list but seem to hand everything out right away (even in advance as I opened dozen of boxes that I saved the past month when the new season went life to satisfy all Disco mark needs). I could imagine they want to reward peeps here for the best service you can do for a community with low queue participation.

    Pretty cool actually. :)
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  • rickvic#6033 rickvic Member Posts: 130 Arc User
    I also dont find a space tfo which gives a choice from all marks. no way to get competative marks except the tfos nobody plays
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,573 Arc User
    Cheese. To get the mice to do things you want them to (do RTFOs, do Discovery TFOs), you put the cheese where you want them to go. ;)
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  • phoenixc#0738 phoenixc Member Posts: 6,085 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    Cheese. To get the mice to do things you want them to (do RTFOs, do Discovery TFOs), you put the cheese where you want them to go. ;)

    Smelly tainted cheese unfortunately since it also attracts the AFKers and other exploiters, and ties players down with often very long waits for the ques to pop.

    I am probably not typical because I am a bit ADHD, but I have very little tolerance for long que waits and end up cancelling them if they do not pop in about ten or twenty minutes or so (or less if I run out of crafting and boring makework like admiralty and whatnot), often quitting for the night and going to a different game that does not revolve around sitting and waiting for the ques.

    Lately STO had become my middle of the night and can't sleep favorite because I could cycle between characters and slip into a TFO or FTFO quickly (almost always a minute or less) and without a lot of aggravation when I got there. Now, even RTFOs usually have at least a five minute wait, and often longer (and that assumes that the character can even que for an RTFO, SB1 was a quick and reliable starter for lower level ones before the change but now none of them are unless there is an FTFO running). And then, when the que does pop it often runs shorthanded either from people AFKing or bailing when they see it is one they do not like. I will probably have to go back to chasing arkfalls on bad nights and just play STO when I am not tired-but-wired.

    And before anyone says something about having patience, occasionally I have queued up for one of the TFOs dedicated to the marks I need at the moment, then said F-it when it did not pop in a reasonable time and gone on missions with the que still hanging and some of them still fail to start despite the RTFOs supposedly helping the que system after up to several hours (and some failed to pop even then). Making RTFOs an absolutely necessary evil does not change the fact that they are often obnoxious and poisonous (even compared to their own non-random version) which contributes to player disgust and burnout.

  • xyquarzexyquarze Member Posts: 2,130 Arc User
    nixboox wrote: »
    I don't share your enthusiasm for that practice. The endeavor rewards should include ALL the marks, they are a reward for the endeavor and should be beyond the scope of just trying to force players to play specific content. Taking away the incentive for completing the endeavor makes the whole process worthless. I don't understand why every time we get new content and the devs want to "fix" something it always has to be accompanied with a "hold my beer" moment of silliness.

    Dunno about the endeavours. For me the main reward is getting the Endeavour XP to get the bonuses. The boxes are just a small extra.

    Apart from that, we didn't even have the endeavour system not too long ago. To be unhappy that this totally new way of getting stuff does not give out all and everything you want seems a bit like a first world problem. Just completely ignore it and you won't be off worse.
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  • sierra078sierra078 Member Posts: 340 Arc User
    I think Battle of the Binary Stars still gives all marks. And it's available in Advanced and Elite.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,573 Arc User
    It wasn't included for Discovery Marks at this time as it may return as a Featured TFO in the future.
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  • anodynesanodynes Member Posts: 1,999 Arc User
    edited May 2019
    nixboox wrote: »
    xyquarze wrote: »
    nixboox wrote: »
    I don't share your enthusiasm for that practice. The endeavor rewards should include ALL the marks, they are a reward for the endeavor and should be beyond the scope of just trying to force players to play specific content. Taking away the incentive for completing the endeavor makes the whole process worthless. I don't understand why every time we get new content and the devs want to "fix" something it always has to be accompanied with a "hold my beer" moment of silliness.

    Dunno about the endeavours. For me the main reward is getting the Endeavour XP to get the bonuses. The boxes are just a small extra.

    Apart from that, we didn't even have the endeavour system not too long ago. To be unhappy that this totally new way of getting stuff does not give out all and everything you want seems a bit like a first world problem. Just completely ignore it and you won't be off worse.

    No, its a hypocritical problem and I abhor hypocrisy.

    There's nothing hypocritical about it. They never said that Endeavor boxes would reward every mark immediately.
    sierra078 wrote: »
    I think Battle of the Binary Stars still gives all marks. And it's available in Advanced and Elite.

    I can't find Battle of the Binary Stars in the list at all, which makes sense, as they said that they were removing it for the time being in the Rise of Discovery patch notes. The only TFO choice for all marks (Discovery not included) right now is Breach.
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  • zasz#8071 zasz Member Posts: 193 Arc User
    It seems the TFO window needs some fixing. Now fleet marks are always offered and at least the marks of the specific reputation connected with the enemies in that specific TFO. Whats the point of having a seperate fleet marks section directly under the choice of marks section which is almost identical?

    Why is there an elite discovery section thats empty?

    Why does crystalline catastrope never form groups? Wasnt that an event?
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  • telbasta7386telbasta7386 Member Posts: 761 Arc User
    This was easily the worst change of the discovery update.

    I have 6 characters each trying to level between 2-5 reputations daily. I have approximately two hours of game time a night after dealing with work, family, etc.

    Running defense of starbase one only took like 10 minutes on average with instant queue pops, which just barely allowed me to get my dailies done on most characters. Now im stuck waiting 5-15 minutes on average just for the queue to pop, and then dealing with drawn out and convoluted tfos that can take 15-30 minutes depending on circumstance, team skill/gear level, and afkers or droppers.


    Now im down to being able to do one, maybe two characters a night. This really wasnt a good change for people like me who aren't dumping hundreds of hours into the game.
  • zasz#8071 zasz Member Posts: 193 Arc User
    Because some TFOs offer only fleet marks, and not fleet marks + some other rep mark. Fleet Alerts, Starbase Blockade, and Starbase Incursion, to name a few.
    Hmm. Ok. Makes sense. I still think the system should get an upgrade. Especially after the rather silent change to the topic at hand.
    It isn't empty, Elite marks only appears in Advanced or Elite TFOs so you need your filter to be set on advanced or elite for the TFOs that offer them to appear in the list.
    Damn, that makes sense too. But still. Why the special treatment? The other TFOs dont have a seperate category for higher difficulties.
    zarasz wrote: »
    Why does crystalline catastrope never form groups? Wasnt that an event?
    It does, I got into it earlier today.
    I tried so many times...
    As for why it may take longer then other TFOs, its because it isn't part of the random TFO system. The RTFO system excludes shuttle and PVP TFOs, as well as 10 man TFOs.
    I wasnt refering to the random TFO queue. I was specifically queuing for it. I wanted to see all TFOs at least once but this one never opens for me so I stopped trying. Waiting several hours isnt worth my time.
  • baddmoonrizinbaddmoonrizin Member Posts: 11,441 Community Moderator
    This wasn't a silent change. It was explicitly stated in the patch notes.
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