Death Korps of Krieg vs MACOs, who would win?

theraven2378

In one corner, hailing from the planet Krieg,

Hailing from the Federation,

angrytarg

MACO

The MACO. See the look in his eyes? He's determined!








This is funny.

artan42

The Borg.​​

theraven2378

The Death Korps are part of the Imperial Guard, they fight planetside

artan42

Orbital bombardment, problem solved.

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theraven2378

Take orbital support out of it, let's say Vraks or Ar-558 as battlefields between the two

theboxisred

Batman.

Or Chuck Norris.

Or Chuck Norris as Batman!

spiritborn

Death Korps of Krieg

In relatively fair fight I'd give it to the Death Korps, while the MACO might be determined, but the Death Korps are fanatical to point that they have political officer to make sure that they won't get too zealous and end up wasting resources.

pottsey5g

artan42 wrote: »

Orbital bombardment, problem solved.

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That wouldn't be 100% sure to work against the Death Korps. In a typical war I would vote Death Korps pretty much every time as they do not fight fair (from the Feds point of view). The Death Korps would use any number of tactics the Federation would consider illegal or immoral. The Death Korps would not care if they lost more troops to take one planet then the Federation lost in the entire Dominion war. Also the Death Korps wouldn't care if they turned the battlefield into a toxic/radiation wasteland they would still consider that win if the enemy was dead. Apart from the shear numbers of expandable troops the use of biological and chemical warfare and other illegal methods would beat the Federation.

Where the Federation might stand a chance is 1v1 or squad v squad at which point it comes down feds superior technology against Death Korps better fighting experience and shear will to do what ever it takes to win.

rattler2

The problem with pitting anything Warhammer 40k against any other franchise is the fact that in most cases 40k wins due to OPness of the universe.

Warhammer has easily accessable planet killing methods, rifles that are basically grenade launchers (Bolters), space magic, and most of the species FTL tech basically sends then through basically Hell. Not only that, their ships are HUGE compared to even most Star Wars ships, let alone Star Trek.

artan42

pottsey5g wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

Orbital bombardment, problem solved.

That wouldn't be 100% sure to work against the Death Korps.

Why? Do they wear hats that deflect spatial torpedoes?​​

theraven2378

rattler2 wrote: »

The problem with pitting anything Warhammer 40k against any other franchise is the fact that in most cases 40k wins due to OPness of the universe.

Warhammer has easily accessable planet killing methods, rifles that are basically grenade launchers (Bolters), space magic, and most of the species FTL tech basically sends then through basically Hell. Not only that, their ships are HUGE compared to even most Star Wars ships, let alone Star Trek.

Your average Krieg guardsman has a Lucius Pattern Lasrifle, krak and melta grenades for weapons

angrytarg

MACO

What you have to keep in mind (when you have to take this all seriously 😝) is that 40k is basically a parody. Everything in it is intentionally over the top. So it "wins" by default.

pottsey5g

artan42 wrote: »

pottsey5g wrote: »

artan42 wrote: »

Orbital bombardment, problem solved.

That wouldn't be 100% sure to work against the Death Korps.

Why? Do they wear hats that deflect spatial torpedoes?​​

Death Korps of Krieg come from a planet that is nothing but geared towards war. Recruitment starts at almost from birth and they grow up on an atomic-blasted world enhanced by brutal training and mental conditioning. They live deep underground and anywhere they invade they expect to be bombarded and so dig deep and bunker up with special tanks to dig fast. See http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Hades_Breaching_Drill

Only on the finial training day they go to the surface and have to survive on nuclear-blasted battlefields. The only education, the only job, the only training on that planet is how to wage war from birth to death. Every troop knows how to use and protect against biological and chemical agents and survive bombardment.

The Krieg way of warfare is attrition. They don’t care about losses, if it takes millions of troops to wear the enemy down then so be it. They will make that attrition cost and not care one bit counting it as a win. If it takes 5+ years and 100 million troops that's a win.

Gorgon heavy transport
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/3/3f/GorgonTransportArt.jpg to give you an idea of scale that front dozer blade is about the size of a modern tank.

One of my favorite units is the Death Riders of Krieg on genetically modified horses with gas masks on the horse. https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Death_Korps_of_Krieg?file=Death_Rider_of_Krieg.jpg

In a full ground war I do not see how the Federation would stand a chance. Now in space that's a different matter but on the ground the biological and chemical agents would devastate the Federation troops. In a ground war I am not sure even the Borg would win. The reason being the Death Korps of Krieg do not care about the environment or infrastructure and will use any weapon to win no matter how devastating even to themselves. Nuclear and worse, virus, nerve agents anything goes. The Death Korps of Krieg in space would not stand a chance.

theraven2378

The Imperial Guard and Imperial Navy were separated from each other in the aftermath of the Horus Heresy, the Imperial Navy do work with them in transporting them, the equipment and their air support (though that falls under navy control)

spiritborn

Death Korps of Krieg

theraven2378 wrote: »

The Imperial Guard and Imperial Navy were separated from each other in the aftermath of the Horus Heresy, the Imperial Navy do work with them in transporting them, the equipment and their air support (though that falls under navy control)

That said if MACOs get Starfleet ships for support, I'd say the Death Korps would get imperial navy support. The thing to remember about the Imperium of Man is that they know about space superiority and unless the MACOs are attacking the planet Krieg itself, the Death Korps has to be transported there and Imperium's military transports are armed and you probably gonna have a handful of Cobras or Swords escorting those transports (loosing the men isn't that bad, but loosing the hardware due to laziness is unacceptble). Oh and both the sword and cobra are about 1.6km long and they're the lightest ships the Imperium has.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Sword_Frigate

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Cobra_Destroyer

EDIT:The Death Korps's way of fighting relies of constant supply of replacements to the losses, so imperium would not deploy them without securing space superiority first, unless there was really no other option.

The Departmento munitorum (essentially the department/ministry of defense for the imperium) controls both the navy and the guard as far as deployments go and while the guard commanders cannot directly command navy forces joint deployments aren't that rare as long as both sides maintain seperate chains of command.

artan42

The MACO aren't getting Starfleet support here. The Franklin was a MACO ship not a Starfleet one.​​

rattler2

Franklin was originally a MACO ship, but was transfered to Starfleet when MACO was disbanded.

artan42

rattler2 wrote: »

Franklin was originally a MACO ship, but was transfered to Starfleet when MACO was disbanded.

Correct. But as the OP said MACO and not Starfleet Security then it's obviously prior to the formation of the Federation and the Franklin is still a MACO ship.

spiritborn

Death Korps of Krieg

The thing is that if they're on the offensive attached imperial navy assets are a must for the Kriegsmen.

If the Death korps in on the defensive, orbital support isn't the "silver bullet" people think it would be. Krieg was blasted into a radioactive wasteland by centuries long civil war that involved ballistic missiles and the first members of the Death Korps were survivors of that war and formed the tactics of the Death Korps based on that war. So on the defensive anti-nuclear bunkers and seal strutures are a must. Orbital support isn't after all not unheard of in WH40k.

angrytarg

MACO

On a footnote, as you probably aware, "Krieg" is German for "war". This is wholly intentional of course, given they are modeled after German forces and this is 40k and all, but do you realise how silly this sounds to a German native speaker? 😂

spiritborn

Death Korps of Krieg

angrytarg wrote: »

On a footnote, as you probably aware, "Krieg" is German for "war". This is wholly intentional of course, given they are modeled after German forces and this is 40k and all, but do you realise how silly this sounds to a German native speaker? 😂

You don't have to be a native german speaker either but it's Warhammer it's suppose to be silly and over the top, it's part of the charm. If warhammer played it straight it probably wouldn't endured past the 90s but doing intentionally over the top they did.

spiritborn

Death Korps of Krieg

patrickngo wrote: »

spiritborn wrote: »

angrytarg wrote: »

On a footnote, as you probably aware, "Krieg" is German for "war". This is wholly intentional of course, given they are modeled after German forces and this is 40k and all, but do you realise how silly this sounds to a German native speaker? 😂

You don't have to be a native german speaker either but it's Warhammer it's suppose to be silly and over the top, it's part of the charm. If warhammer played it straight it probably wouldn't endured past the 90s but doing intentionally over the top they did.

If anyone thought Warhammer was playing it straight they haven't looked at that armor!

I wasn't refering to Warhammer but those edgy and "extreme!" 90s works that played the same themes dead serious that warhammer (either fantasy or 40k) played with a massive amount of self ironical humour and thus while those other works aren't remembered by anyone under the age of 30 warhammer still endures.

artan42

angrytarg wrote: »

On a footnote, as you probably aware, "Krieg" is German for "war". This is wholly intentional of course, given they are modeled after German forces and this is 40k and all, but do you realise how silly this sounds to a German native speaker? 😂

Deathtroops of War sounds like a band.​​

angrytarg

MACO

> @artan42 said:
> Deathtroops of War sounds like a band.​​

Early speed metal to be precise. I'm calling it, alternative band name for Blind Guardian.

Deathtroops of War - Battalions of Fear.

artan42

angrytarg wrote: »

> @artan42 said:
> Deathtroops of War sounds like a band.

Early speed metal to be precise. I'm calling it, alternative band name for Blind Guardian.

Deathtroops of War - Battalions of Fear.

I'm thinking Power Metal. Sabaton most likely.

Deathtroops of War - The Last Stand.​​

angrytarg

MACO

They can tour with "Threat Force Starship Assessment" which I discovered in the mirror Crossfiel announcement.