They also look 10-20 years more advanced than the Kelvin and 20-25 years less advanced than the Enterprise A.
That's what I'm sayin'!
It does look like a precursor to the touchscreens on the Ent-A.
Yes. And even the physical controls on these bridges resemble the ones on the TUC Enterprise and the Kelvin.
The set designers and builders of DSC did a phenomenal job of making the sets look, both modern, and so they fit perfectly in the style from ENT to the Kelvin to TMP and beyond. It's a shame some people are fixated about wanting to make it look as cheap and tacky as TOS made the unspeakable decades between DSC and TWoK.
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You do have to admit though... the touchscreens do line up well with what will come "later on". There is nothing Post TNG about the design.
I know you like TOS, I'm not judging you on that. We wouldn't even HAVE any of this without TOS.
Just pointing out the asthetic progression. From an artistic standpoint, they did a good job, and IMO if they could somehow put those touchscreens on TOS consoles, it would look frickin' amazing.
You do have to admit though... the touchscreens do line up well with what will come "later on". There is nothing Post TNG about the design.
I know you like TOS, I'm not judging you on that. We wouldn't even HAVE any of this without TOS.
Just pointing out the asthetic progression. From an artistic standpoint, they did a good job, and IMO if they could somehow put those touchscreens on TOS consoles, it would look frickin' amazing.
TOS is fine as is, they even remastered it. And we never saw what was on some of the panels of the TOS bridge.
Gotta respect the original. For without it we wouldn't have everything we have today. For all its faults, TOS gave us a universe that wasn't grim/dark and wartorn.
While I wasn't a huge fan of the TOS Connie model... seeing the refit though was just... she looked amazing. And when they made a Connie for Discovery... IMO they hit all the good points of various iterations of the Connie. She's been updated for the 21st Century while still honoring her origins.
But going back to the classic model... I'd say gunmetal grey like every other ship we saw and glowing blue warp field grills... that alone might make her even better without changing the actual model. She's a good ship. Without her... we wouldn't have Discovery, Enterprise-D, Enterprise-E, NX-01 Enterprise, Voyager, Defiant... anything.
Gotta respect the original. For without it we wouldn't have everything we have today. For all its faults, TOS gave us a universe that wasn't grim/dark and wartorn.
While I wasn't a huge fan of the TOS Connie model... seeing the refit though was just... she looked amazing. And when they made a Connie for Discovery... IMO they hit all the good points of various iterations of the Connie. She's been updated for the 21st Century while still honoring her origins.
But going back to the classic model... I'd say gunmetal grey like every other ship we saw and glowing blue warp field grills... that alone might make her even better without changing the actual model. She's a good ship. Without her... we wouldn't have Discovery, Enterprise-D, Enterprise-E, NX-01 Enterprise, Voyager, Defiant... anything.
I prefer the smooth, creamy whitish color of the original. Don't care much for gun metal...makes it look like regular steel to me.
TOS connie model is one of my fav designs. To me, less is more, and I really don't care for greebles and kibble, makes it more like Red Dwarf (which is supposed to be a clunker) or those ugly Star Wars designs. ~puts on a hard hat~
You do have to admit though... the touchscreens do line up well with what will come "later on". There is nothing Post TNG about the design.
I know you like TOS, I'm not judging you on that. We wouldn't even HAVE any of this without TOS.
Just pointing out the asthetic progression. From an artistic standpoint, they did a good job, and IMO if they could somehow put those touchscreens on TOS consoles, it would look frickin' amazing.
TOS is fine as is, they even remastered it. And we never saw what was on some of the panels of the TOS bridge.
I don't actually mind the look of TOS. It's just it clearly stands apart in-universe. As soon as Star Trek got a budget in TMP it distanced itself from the TOS look and never looked back. From that point on, it's future and it's (retroactive) past were dominated by metallic greys and blue lights. That's not a matter of opinion, it's just what they did.
DSC is not TOS, it does not cover the TOS time period, that period is solely from 2265 (1312.4) to 2270 (7403.6). You be happy to like TOS and in return leave DSC to be DSC. A lot can change in a decade.
It was only 2 and a half years from the end of TAS to TMP and look at the overhaul that happened to the entier Federation and Klingon Empire. Not a single square centimetre of Epsilon IX, ESD, The Enterprise, Vulcan, or the Klingon ships resemble anything seen in TOS in the slightest. 2.5 years! A decade is more than enough time for Starfleet to to suffer from a massive hemorrhage of taste and empty their stockpiles of yellow and red all over their fleet.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I've found things to like in all of the Trek iterations. Due to not having All-Access I have not seen Disc, but if I could have, I'd have probably found something to like about it too.
Of course there are things not to like in all of the Trek iterations too. It's the nature of films and tv. Everyone is bound to have their favorites and all, but I liked them all, the ones that I was able to see, including the motion pictures.
Now a LTS and loving it.
Just because you spend money on this game, it does not entitle you to be a jerk if things don't go your way.
I have come to the conclusion that I have a memory like Etch-A-Sketch. I shake my head and forget everything.
I'm not disrespecting TOS at all, I even called it classic. Point is though that design aesthetic was abandoned as soon as TMP started pre-production and it was abandoned by Gene's orders. It is now a visual outlier from all of the other Trek series and films, thats just how it is.
I remember seeing that video before and I've always wanted to see some more ambitious scenes done with the same technique. I think things like the red doors could be muted a bit more to a similar shade to TWoK and the number of colours on the touchscreens could be reduced to three (I can see they were going for a direct translation of the jellybeans) or two but it really lifts the scene.
Though I don't think any amount of rotoscoping could fix some of TOS' costume choices.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
I remember seeing that video before and I've always wanted to see some more ambitious scenes done with the same technique. I think things like the red doors could be muted a bit more to a similar shade to TWoK and the number of colours on the touchscreens could be reduced to three (I can see they were going for a direct translation of the jellybeans) or two but it really lifts the scene.
Though I don't think any amount of rotoscoping could fix some of TOS' costume choices.
I think its a variation of what is seen in ST5/6 actually. That shield display looks just like the one from ST6.
So, they don't look like pre-TOS bridges would look
They do look like post-Enterprise to me though. As mentioned upthread, TOS is pretty much it's own thing stylistically in comparison to everything afterwards.
I remember seeing that video before and I've always wanted to see some more ambitious scenes done with the same technique. I think things like the red doors could be muted a bit more to a similar shade to TWoK and the number of colours on the touchscreens could be reduced to three (I can see they were going for a direct translation of the jellybeans) or two but it really lifts the scene.
Though I don't think any amount of rotoscoping could fix some of TOS' costume choices.
I think its a variation of what is seen in ST5/6 actually. That shield display looks just like the one from ST6.
It could well be. It's a bit difficult to judge much as the screens aren't really the focus of the edit.
So, they don't look like pre-TOS bridges would look, but that's typical of Discovery.
The point has been made that it's the exact opposite. We've seen five full bridges of pre DSC ships and the DSC ships fit the styles established in those ships (The five being the NX-01, NX-02, USS Franklin, USS Kelvin, and USS Trainer) even if they don't match TOS, which they've no requirement to as no future ships resembled TOS either.
Edit: I suppose the Vengeance and KT Enterprise are also pre-TOS though exist exclusively in the KT. The Vengeance follows quite closely apart from the oppressive lighting but the KT Conni seems to follow the TOS one by looking like nothing else.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though. JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
A very accurate and faithful recreation of on-screen bridges. Very nice. I look forward to seeing the Bridges of the other classes.
Edit: You know what could quite easily explain the differences between Connie bridges and the rest of the fleet during a TOS period (post-DSC) especially that dubious 2.5 years between TAS and TMP (still wondering where that figure came from as TMP doesn't have a specified year)? Them being overdue for their refits and/or technological leaps forward that tend to happen time to time throughout history.
Technological advancement is not a steady progress/straight line from one end to the other. There peaks, valleys, and plateaus where leaps forward are made, knowledge is lost, and stagnation occurs; respectively. Any history book that covers a few centuries of a continent will tell you that.
Lastly, please refrain from saying that "some fans" want it to look "cheap and tacky." It's just not true. I, at the very least, just want there to be more of a connection between the different series than a few names and a show title. Every other Trek is fine not connecting that much aesthetically to TOS because they stand 80-100 years apart from it. (The previous paragraph should cover the TMP films potential discrepancy, though there's not as much as people seem to think. Does no one remember how the Enterprise's consoles looked from TMP to Search? Still a whole lot of analog going on before the A made it's debut) DSC is >10 years apart from TOS now, but looks 80-100 years removed in the post-Nemesis direction.
No, I don't want DSC to start cutting production values or adding "jelly bean" buttons (God, I hate it when people use that term. Used to be an innocent enough little joke but now gets thrown around as an insult.) Keep the touchscreens, they're fine, but put a little more effort into making the aesthetics line up at a glance at the very least.
Okay, having a bit of a blonde moment here. I recognized the first 2 pictures from when I visited my Spearhead bridge (on Tribble). The last 2 ones, though, with all the red, where are those from?!
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Star Trek V: "The Final Frontier"
In your own little world, perhaps.
You do have to admit though... the touchscreens do line up well with what will come "later on". There is nothing Post TNG about the design.
I know you like TOS, I'm not judging you on that. We wouldn't even HAVE any of this without TOS.
Just pointing out the asthetic progression. From an artistic standpoint, they did a good job, and IMO if they could somehow put those touchscreens on TOS consoles, it would look frickin' amazing.
TOS is fine as is, they even remastered it. And we never saw what was on some of the panels of the TOS bridge.
To me, TOS is fine as it is. ~shrugs~
While I wasn't a huge fan of the TOS Connie model... seeing the refit though was just... she looked amazing. And when they made a Connie for Discovery... IMO they hit all the good points of various iterations of the Connie. She's been updated for the 21st Century while still honoring her origins.
But going back to the classic model... I'd say gunmetal grey like every other ship we saw and glowing blue warp field grills... that alone might make her even better without changing the actual model. She's a good ship. Without her... we wouldn't have Discovery, Enterprise-D, Enterprise-E, NX-01 Enterprise, Voyager, Defiant... anything.
Tell someone who cares.
I prefer the smooth, creamy whitish color of the original. Don't care much for gun metal...makes it look like regular steel to me.
TOS connie model is one of my fav designs. To me, less is more, and I really don't care for greebles and kibble, makes it more like Red Dwarf (which is supposed to be a clunker) or those ugly Star Wars designs. ~puts on a hard hat~
^^ I love that picture!
DSC is not TOS, it does not cover the TOS time period, that period is solely from 2265 (1312.4) to 2270 (7403.6). You be happy to like TOS and in return leave DSC to be DSC. A lot can change in a decade.
It was only 2 and a half years from the end of TAS to TMP and look at the overhaul that happened to the entier Federation and Klingon Empire. Not a single square centimetre of Epsilon IX, ESD, The Enterprise, Vulcan, or the Klingon ships resemble anything seen in TOS in the slightest. 2.5 years! A decade is more than enough time for Starfleet to to suffer from a massive hemorrhage of taste and empty their stockpiles of yellow and red all over their fleet.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Of course there are things not to like in all of the Trek iterations too. It's the nature of films and tv. Everyone is bound to have their favorites and all, but I liked them all, the ones that I was able to see, including the motion pictures.
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^ Those remind me of this video.
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I remember seeing that video before and I've always wanted to see some more ambitious scenes done with the same technique. I think things like the red doors could be muted a bit more to a similar shade to TWoK and the number of colours on the touchscreens could be reduced to three (I can see they were going for a direct translation of the jellybeans) or two but it really lifts the scene.
Though I don't think any amount of rotoscoping could fix some of TOS' costume choices.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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I think its a variation of what is seen in ST5/6 actually. That shield display looks just like the one from ST6.
They do look like post-Enterprise to me though. As mentioned upthread, TOS is pretty much it's own thing stylistically in comparison to everything afterwards.
It could well be. It's a bit difficult to judge much as the screens aren't really the focus of the edit.
The point has been made that it's the exact opposite. We've seen five full bridges of pre DSC ships and the DSC ships fit the styles established in those ships (The five being the NX-01, NX-02, USS Franklin, USS Kelvin, and USS Trainer) even if they don't match TOS, which they've no requirement to as no future ships resembled TOS either.
Edit: I suppose the Vengeance and KT Enterprise are also pre-TOS though exist exclusively in the KT. The Vengeance follows quite closely apart from the oppressive lighting but the KT Conni seems to follow the TOS one by looking like nothing else.
Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.
#TASforSTO
'...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
'...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
'...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek
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Edit: You know what could quite easily explain the differences between Connie bridges and the rest of the fleet during a TOS period (post-DSC) especially that dubious 2.5 years between TAS and TMP (still wondering where that figure came from as TMP doesn't have a specified year)? Them being overdue for their refits and/or technological leaps forward that tend to happen time to time throughout history.
Technological advancement is not a steady progress/straight line from one end to the other. There peaks, valleys, and plateaus where leaps forward are made, knowledge is lost, and stagnation occurs; respectively. Any history book that covers a few centuries of a continent will tell you that.
Lastly, please refrain from saying that "some fans" want it to look "cheap and tacky." It's just not true. I, at the very least, just want there to be more of a connection between the different series than a few names and a show title. Every other Trek is fine not connecting that much aesthetically to TOS because they stand 80-100 years apart from it. (The previous paragraph should cover the TMP films potential discrepancy, though there's not as much as people seem to think. Does no one remember how the Enterprise's consoles looked from TMP to Search? Still a whole lot of analog going on before the A made it's debut) DSC is >10 years apart from TOS now, but looks 80-100 years removed in the post-Nemesis direction.
No, I don't want DSC to start cutting production values or adding "jelly bean" buttons (God, I hate it when people use that term. Used to be an innocent enough little joke but now gets thrown around as an insult.) Keep the touchscreens, they're fine, but put a little more effort into making the aesthetics line up at a glance at the very least.
Okay, having a bit of a blonde moment here. I recognized the first 2 pictures from when I visited my Spearhead bridge (on Tribble). The last 2 ones, though, with all the red, where are those from?!
2 separate bridges, things are looking bright.