Not sure what I find worse, we find out that all aliens look like us or we are the ugliest aliens. All aliens looking like us would certainly make interstellar relations far easier, but so boring.
> @shadowfang240 said: > if it's f*ckable, someone finds it attractive
Ooh my
^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
"No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
"A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
"That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
So, ST:D could be getting get sued. If true, the only real question we should be debating would be, could CBS/ST:D lose?
I don't think they're going to lose, and I don't think this is the point of the suit.
The point of this suit isn't to stop CBS from making Discovery (and the Tardigrade plotline is over anyway), the point of this suit is for the game creator to log his shots fired over this, so that CBS won't be able to turn around and sue him later for infringing on their trademark. By establishing that he was first and that shots have now been fired, even though he won't win anything against CBS, he'll prevent this from happening again in the future, so there won't be a sudden injunction to stop his game at release time, since this will now have been a resolved matter.
Mainstream news probably isn't covering this because, as far as the public is concerned, this isn't terribly important, it's just a bit legaljutsu that won't ultimately amount to anything the public cares about.
Also free publicity for his game. It was a very obscure title that wasn't profitable to develop.
> @valoreah said: > patrickngo wrote: » > > what kind of thing? > > > > > That people will believe anything as truth/gospel if it is posted in a Youtube video.
The "Truther" and "Birther" nuttery, not to mention Desticles, make it clear there are people out there willing to believe anything that confirms their preferences or prejudices.
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Mr. Spam. What an appropriate name. It's like you didn't even skim these past four pages.
Probably didn't. But based on the fact they aren't a One Post Wonder... I am inclined to believe this isn't some alt account made just to throw more fuel on the fire.
This case feels like a PR stunt by people who don't like Discovery.
This case feels like a PR stunt by incompetent people who don't like Discovery. The only way for CBS to lose is if they admit that they ripped off the guy and personally give punitive damages to the independent developer despite the Judge's objections.
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I think this pic is gonna get a LOT of use in this thread at this rate. I got my popcorn, I got my 3D glasses... but my mojo is out to lunch.
This case feels like a PR stunt by people who don't like Discovery.
This case feels like a PR stunt by incompetent people who don't like Discovery. The only way for CBS to lose is if they admit that they ripped off the guy and personally give punitive damages to the independent developer despite the Judge's objections.
Well, I don't think the haters are actually running this show. I think they just tweaked Abdin enough to make him want to prosecute the case.
I realized this has parts of the actual court filing in it, so I went over it again. left is time indexes in the video.
1:22 what did Abdin actually publish in Feb 2015?
2:23 probably the only thing that's worth discussing. Note how Anas says "navigate space travel". His actually has the ability to create something like wormholes.
2:29 this is interesting. Apparently in Abdin's game the character actually merges with the tardigrade? Not the way it happens in Discovery.
2:42 not unique or novel. "striking physical similarities" they have the same skin color. That's it really.
2:53 blond and white isn't unique or novel. astromycologist is less common, but is the character in the game an astromycologist?
3:10 Aziz and Culber aren't even the same ethnicity.
3:15 Natasha and Tilly... yeah... Irish stereotype, and nothing else in common.
3:20 k... um no idea as I haven't seen the Tardigrades version, but the version in Discovery isn't very interesting.
3:20 l... Star Trek did it first, decades ago. It's actually a rather common visual effect in sci-fi.
3:25 given that this is what tardigrades look like, having them look the same is to be expected. Wait, Abdin's is often shown with WINGS, which actually IS novel since RL tardigrades don't have those. But the one in Discovery doesn't.
3:31: this is the actual heart of the case, the rest is fluff. Abdin is claiming ownership of the concept of using tardigrades for space travel, seemingly as a whole. I don't think he can prove that he was the first to come up with the idea. If he can't then his claim is rejected.
3:43 he's actually trying to claim an Egyptian motif as IP... lol, no.
I find it amusing that the guy who made this video starts by saying that he hates Discovery, and ends by saying he thinks Abdin's case is mostly nonsense(my summary not a quote).
2:23 probably the only thing that's worth discussing. Note how Anas says "navigate space travel". His actually has the ability to create something like wormholes.
It's worth noting that hasn't been spelled out in the game's teaser material. He has tardigrades, the advancement of a civilization, some abstract "wormhole" art, but where that leads is apparently some abstract dimension (not other planets.) Personally I thought he was going a 2001 Space Odyssey direction with this whole bit. But, as he's going for wormholes, here's a clip worth sharing (from Dune.)
2:29 this is interesting. Apparently in Abdin's game the character actually merges with the tardigrade? Not the way it happens in Discovery.
It does happen in Dune.
but is the character in the game an astromycologist?
Nope, Botanist. He may not appreciate the difference.
3:31: this is the actual heart of the case, the rest is fluff. Abdin is claiming ownership of the concept of using tardigrades for space travel, seemingly as a whole. I don't think he can prove that he was the first to come up with the idea. If he can't then his claim is rejected.
It's also pretty basic to copyright that a broad concepts can't be claimed as IP. Specific iterations: yes. Idea: no. That's why we have genres in sci-fi and fantasy.
the case is pretty simple ,i imagine when the project was in the drawing board. some writer searched for tardigrade stuff and found the game ...
Fortunately your imagination is not the only thing we have to go on here (I've done the homework).
If some writer searched for Tardigrade stuff during the show's creation he couldn't have found key content claimed by the dev because it wasn't available on the internet (and what they could have found isn't remotely defensible as IP. Ex. depictions of human ethnicity.) The "couple's" relationship for example premiered on his blog in June 2017, months after casting and character details emerged from Discovery and his "everything about sandworms in one scene" use of FLT tardigrades consists of one trailer that premiered the following July (just days before CBS released a trailer with scenes that either heavily involved or included their integration of the Tardigrade. Scripts, assets, and scenes would have been completed before the dev finally showed any detail for exactly how tardigrades would be involved in his game. It was a long time coming because for him it's a point of culmination, not an opening act which sets up character arcs and a starship utilizing the capability [he didn't go so far as Guild Heighliners in teaser material, just God Emperor Navigators.])
Furthermore, putting Tardigrades in space is something popularized by NASA back in 2008 and featured (in large, animated form) in the 2014 relaunch of Cosmos (roughly around when the dev rebranded his project from "Epoch" to "Tardigrades.")
In all likelihood, this is a case of convergent evolution (these bits all existed in sci-fi and select assembly of ~6 elements isn't at all unlikely between two properties.)
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So as I have been saying... case of parallel development. Neither side could have known.
So honestly... this whole lawsuit is just...
Drama. And paper thin drama at that. Which won't have any impact on anything because of how thin it is.
So... can we FINALLY move on? I'm pretty sure we've analysed this to death by now.
Wait - he's trying to claim the use of manufactured wormholes through alternate dimensions as his own?
David Brin's Uplift series would like a word. Particularly E-level hyperspace, which requires the use of reality anchors on your ship so you have some chance of returning to what you understand as "the real world".
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Would Babylon 5 count too since Jump Points and Jumpgates basically create wormholes into Hyperspace? And lets not forget Hyperspace Windows and Stargates in Stargate, Jump Drives in Wing Commander (which in the games manifests as a ship entering a wormhole like vortex), FarScape's Starburst...
The list goes on in terms of "manufactured wormholes". Hell... Borg Transwarp Gates can be classified as "manufactured Wormholes"!
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Ain't gonna work. That would be like Harmony Gold sueing everyone who ever came up with the idea of any form of Mecha because its a walking war machine that's got two arms and two legs. As it is they're alreay gunning for Mechwarrior stuff. We don't need them trying to attack Star Wars and Pacific Rim on top of that. Hell... they could try and hit whoever owns Aliens because the loader has two arms and two legs.
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Although I can think of two who actually did buck the system so to speak.
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> if it's f*ckable, someone finds it attractive
Ooh my
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> That people will believe anything as truth/gospel if it is posted in a Youtube video.
The "Truther" and "Birther" nuttery, not to mention Desticles, make it clear there are people out there willing to believe anything that confirms their preferences or prejudices.
Probably didn't. But based on the fact they aren't a One Post Wonder... I am inclined to believe this isn't some alt account made just to throw more fuel on the fire.
Still... this is getting old.
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This case feels like a PR stunt by incompetent people who don't like Discovery. The only way for CBS to lose is if they admit that they ripped off the guy and personally give punitive damages to the independent developer despite the Judge's objections.
I think this pic is gonna get a LOT of use in this thread at this rate. I got my popcorn, I got my 3D glasses... but my mojo is out to lunch.
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1:22 what did Abdin actually publish in Feb 2015?
2:23 probably the only thing that's worth discussing. Note how Anas says "navigate space travel". His actually has the ability to create something like wormholes.
2:29 this is interesting. Apparently in Abdin's game the character actually merges with the tardigrade? Not the way it happens in Discovery.
2:42 not unique or novel. "striking physical similarities" they have the same skin color. That's it really.
2:53 blond and white isn't unique or novel. astromycologist is less common, but is the character in the game an astromycologist?
3:10 Aziz and Culber aren't even the same ethnicity.
3:15 Natasha and Tilly... yeah... Irish stereotype, and nothing else in common.
3:20 k... um no idea as I haven't seen the Tardigrades version, but the version in Discovery isn't very interesting.
3:20 l... Star Trek did it first, decades ago. It's actually a rather common visual effect in sci-fi.
3:25 given that this is what tardigrades look like, having them look the same is to be expected. Wait, Abdin's is often shown with WINGS, which actually IS novel since RL tardigrades don't have those. But the one in Discovery doesn't.
3:31: this is the actual heart of the case, the rest is fluff. Abdin is claiming ownership of the concept of using tardigrades for space travel, seemingly as a whole. I don't think he can prove that he was the first to come up with the idea. If he can't then his claim is rejected.
3:43 he's actually trying to claim an Egyptian motif as IP... lol, no.
I find it amusing that the guy who made this video starts by saying that he hates Discovery, and ends by saying he thinks Abdin's case is mostly nonsense(my summary not a quote).
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the case is pretty simple ,i imagine when the project was in the drawing board. some writer searched for tardigrade stuff and found the game ...
if the court decides that 51% of the project is from the game ,the developer gets some payment ...
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Note the blue visual effects. It does happen in Dune.
Nope, Botanist. He may not appreciate the difference.
It's also pretty basic to copyright that a broad concepts can't be claimed as IP. Specific iterations: yes. Idea: no. That's why we have genres in sci-fi and fantasy.
Fortunately your imagination is not the only thing we have to go on here (I've done the homework).
If some writer searched for Tardigrade stuff during the show's creation he couldn't have found key content claimed by the dev because it wasn't available on the internet (and what they could have found isn't remotely defensible as IP. Ex. depictions of human ethnicity.) The "couple's" relationship for example premiered on his blog in June 2017, months after casting and character details emerged from Discovery and his "everything about sandworms in one scene" use of FLT tardigrades consists of one trailer that premiered the following July (just days before CBS released a trailer with scenes that either heavily involved or included their integration of the Tardigrade. Scripts, assets, and scenes would have been completed before the dev finally showed any detail for exactly how tardigrades would be involved in his game. It was a long time coming because for him it's a point of culmination, not an opening act which sets up character arcs and a starship utilizing the capability [he didn't go so far as Guild Heighliners in teaser material, just God Emperor Navigators.])
Furthermore, putting Tardigrades in space is something popularized by NASA back in 2008 and featured (in large, animated form) in the 2014 relaunch of Cosmos (roughly around when the dev rebranded his project from "Epoch" to "Tardigrades.")
In all likelihood, this is a case of convergent evolution (these bits all existed in sci-fi and select assembly of ~6 elements isn't at all unlikely between two properties.)
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So honestly... this whole lawsuit is just...
Drama. And paper thin drama at that. Which won't have any impact on anything because of how thin it is.
So... can we FINALLY move on? I'm pretty sure we've analysed this to death by now.
David Brin's Uplift series would like a word. Particularly E-level hyperspace, which requires the use of reality anchors on your ship so you have some chance of returning to what you understand as "the real world".
The list goes on in terms of "manufactured wormholes". Hell... Borg Transwarp Gates can be classified as "manufactured Wormholes"!
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