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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    avoozuul wrote: »
    "it even curb stomps a T6 Sovereign" I am sorry but that one made me laugh. :')

    Except for the Samsar there is not even one ship which I would rather use the D'Deridex over at all.
    You'd rather use the absolute worst FED T6 ship in the game over an average Romulan ship? Ok. The Resolute is terrible, almost as bad as the Samsar but we've already beat that horse to death. There are other ships that I also don't like as far as Romulans are concerned. Starting with the Aelahl. Looks like trash, has a junk lieutenant intel/sci slot. Too many engineering boff powers. Total waste of a ship. The Romulan science ship is pretty trash too. Whatever the Romulan version of the Nebula/Naj'Sov is called.

    Sounds like you just label anything that can't be built the way you want as 'trash.'

    I'll agree on the Samsar, it's hard to argue against it. But other ships you mentioned like the T6 Galaxy, The Sovereign, and yes.. even the Resolute can be made into pretty good ships. The build possibilities are pretty narrow for all of them, they're pretty much chained to Aux2Bat but Aux2Bat is once again at the top of the food chain so it makes those fairly desirable options.

    Of the lot, the Resolute is the least flexible because it doesn't have any Universals, but the T6 Andromeda/Yamato isn't a bad ship, and the Archon with it's power to add in OSS is a very potent ship. Samsar can do a simiar build, but is so tactically limited that you're left with either BFAW1 or you can get up to FAW2 with no attack pattern.. both poor options.

    The Resolute is handicapped by an extremely restrictive layout, there is no reason to fly it over say the Archon unless you just really want to be flying an Excelsior. The Aelahl also happens to be a pretty good ship, at least as good as the D'Khellra, they're both fairly good. Looks are always a matter of taste, if you don't like a ships appearance, then it's understandable that you wouldn't want to fly it. That however, does not make it a bad ship.

    Just because you can't build it the way you in particular want it or it's aesthetics don't appeal to you doesn't make it 'trash.'

    Unless of course it's the Samsar.. then.. yeah... I can see calling that one trash. The Ytijara Dreadnought might be right there with it soon. :smiley:
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    starswordc wrote: »
    The Yeager is not so bad, the idea of using a heavily armored merchant ship for a secondary hull even has a quirky RP appeal to it. Also, setting the knowlege that it is two ships bolted together aside for the moment, its lines are not any worse than some of the busier designs, in fact it is less silly looking than the space steamer Kar'Fi (not that silly looks harm the battle carrier any, it is a nice ship) or the Federation's own ice skate in space the Deep Space Science Vessel (which is also not a bad ship).

    I wish the devs would make a T5u Yeager as a slightly lighter and much more maneuverable alternative to the Galaxy at level 61.

    The Yeager doesn't make a lick of sense as a design. Ex Astris Scientia explains it in more detail but the upshot is, for the effort and resource expenditure you'd go to in mating parts of vastly different ships in vastly different sizes, you could build a normal starship and have considerably less trouble keeping it running. I've handwaved the Curry and Raging Queen as armored transports (and the components are at least of similar sizes), but the Yeager is a fugly mess.

    True enough for the model. However as all we see of the Yeger in canon is a out of focus shot of an Intrepid with long pylons the actual ship could look like anything.

    Suggesting the actual Yeager is an Intrepid saucer bolted onto a Ju'day Class (a ship with a maximum length of 50m) somehow inflated to double its size is exactly the same as saying the actual Cheyenne Class uses Swan Swing Highlighters with warp plasma running through them.
    Or that for the Cheyenne again, Starfleet Engineers built a Galaxy to a different scale, built a second one, chopped both saucers in half and joined both top halfs and covered over most of the windows before bolting the million times inflated highlighters to the back.​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    Sounds like you just label anything that can't be built the way you want as 'trash.'
    Some ships are just better than others. It's not always an opinion. Sometimes it's just basic mathematics.
    I'll agree on the Samsar, it's hard to argue against it. But other ships you mentioned like the T6 Galaxy, The Sovereign, and yes.. even the Resolute can be made into pretty good ships. The build possibilities are pretty narrow for all of them, they're pretty much chained to Aux2Bat but Aux2Bat is once again at the top of the food chain so it makes those fairly desirable options.
    No, those are all average ships when min-maxed. Average does not equal good. Even the D'Deridex isn't actually good. It's above average.
    Unless of course it's the Samsar.. then.. yeah... I can see calling that one trash. The Ytijara Dreadnought might be right there with it soon. :smiley:
    Nope. The Ytijara looks completely superior to the Samsar in every way imaginable. The only thing is the 3/5 weapons which actually would tie it with the Samsar's 4/4. 3/5 really just 4/4 anyway since broadsiding will be the obvious preferred method with this ship.
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,301 Arc User
    Sounds like you just label anything that can't be built the way you want as 'trash.'
    Some ships are just better than others. It's not always an opinion. Sometimes it's just basic mathematics.
    I'll agree on the Samsar, it's hard to argue against it. But other ships you mentioned like the T6 Galaxy, The Sovereign, and yes.. even the Resolute can be made into pretty good ships. The build possibilities are pretty narrow for all of them, they're pretty much chained to Aux2Bat but Aux2Bat is once again at the top of the food chain so it makes those fairly desirable options.
    No, those are all average ships when min-maxed. Average does not equal good. Even the D'Deridex isn't actually good. It's above average.
    Unless of course it's the Samsar.. then.. yeah... I can see calling that one trash. The Ytijara Dreadnought might be right there with it soon. :smiley:
    Nope. The Ytijara looks completely superior to the Samsar in every way imaginable. The only thing is the 3/5 weapons which actually would tie it with the Samsar's 4/4. 3/5 really just 4/4 anyway since broadsiding will be the obvious preferred method with this ship.

    Broadsiding? Mine Laying for the win baby!
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    No, those are all average ships when min-maxed. Average does not equal good. Even the D'Deridex isn't actually good. It's above average.

    Well, average describes just about every ship in STO save for a handful of stand outs. All those ships at least have the iconic appeal of their looks. At least they all have a place, something the Samsar can't really say.
    The Ytijara looks completely superior to the Samsar in every way imaginable. The only thing is the 3/5 weapons which actually would tie it with the Samsar's 4/4. 3/5 really just 4/4 anyway since broadsiding will be the obvious preferred method with this ship.

    A beam boat cruiser with 3 Tac consoles and 5 Engineering consoles.. *yawn*.. pass. I'll agree though, superior to the Samsar but that's all I will give it. The Samsar is about the only thing that that keeps me from rating it dead last.

    The 3/5 layout can be overcome with beams, but it still loses points for having a stupid handicap that must be overcome. The 3/5 layout serves the same function as all those engineering stations on the Galaxy or Sovereign, it handcuffs it to one type of build. At least the Archon is really really good at that one build, the Ytijara will only ever be a medicore beam cruiser. They could have at least given it a good console or trait.. even the Samsar had the console going for it once upon a time.

    questerius wrote: »
    Broadsiding? Mine Laying for the win baby!

    Gah.. not this again. It's been explained ad nauseam why this ship will make a poor mine layer.

    The worst part of this ship will be once everyone gets it unlocked and all the queues are going to be full of terri-bad players who think this garbage scowl will make a good mine layer because it has 5 aft slots. They'll be putting around, doing 5k damage and blowing up every 30 seconds..

    Please don't be one of those players.
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  • avoozuulavoozuul Member Posts: 3,196 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    They call it a dreadnought yet they only give it the typical console layout of a plain cruiser with the 5/3/3.
  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,301 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    questerius wrote: »
    Broadsiding? Mine Laying for the win baby!

    Gah.. not this again. It's been explained ad nauseam why this ship will make a poor mine layer.

    The worst part of this ship will be once everyone gets it unlocked and all the queues are going to be full of terri-bad players who think this garbage scowl will make a good mine layer because it has 5 aft slots. They'll be putting around, doing 5k damage and blowing up every 30 seconds..

    Please don't be one of those players.

    I have a pretty good mine laying setup with my nebula which should be easy to adapt to the vogon ship.

    Till this moment i have not seen any unbiased argument against the mine layer setup. I have seen plenty of trashy mine layer setups proposed, but saying mine laying does not work on this ship is like saying A2B does not work simply because people mess up their builds.


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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    edited July 2018
    questerius wrote: »
    Till this moment i have not seen any unbiased argument against the mine layer setup. I have seen plenty of trashy mine layer setups proposed, but saying mine laying does not work on this ship is like saying A2B does not work simply because people mess up their builds.

    Very well, knock yourself out.

    If you don't think that more then 2 (sometimes 3) mine launchers on one ship cause a global lockout a good reason, then ok. 5 Aft slots are as functionally useless in a mine laying build as they are in literally every other build possible.

    It doesn't have the tactical or specialist seating desirable in mine layers or the maneuverability.. but again.. those apparently aren't good reasons.

    I don't do mines, I know little about them, but you can find a pretty good laundry list of reasons in this thread as to why this ship is actually one of the worst choices for mines. You want to read the posts by pottsey5g, dude knows his stuff when it comes to mines.

    Should none of that dissuade you, then I guess I will wish you luck with your sub optimal suck boat. :smiley:


    *That last line was a joke, it's the ship that sucks, not you.
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,301 Arc User
    questerius wrote: »
    Till this moment i have not seen any unbiased argument against the mine layer setup. I have seen plenty of trashy mine layer setups proposed, but saying mine laying does not work on this ship is like saying A2B does not work simply because people mess up their builds.

    Very well, knock yourself out.

    If you don't think that more then 2 (sometimes 3) mine launchers on one ship cause a global lockout a good reason, then ok. 5 Aft slots are as functionally useless in a mine laying build as they are in literally every other build possible.

    It doesn't have the tactical or specialist seating desirable in mine layers or the maneuverability.. but again.. those apparently aren't good reasons.

    I don't do mines, I know little about them, but you can find a pretty good laundry list of reasons in this thread as to why this ship is actually one of the worst choices for mines. You want to read the posts by pottsey5g, dude knows his stuff when it comes to mines.

    Should none of that dissuade you, then I guess I will wish you luck with your sub optimal suck boat. :smiley:


    *That last line was a joke, it's the ship that sucks, not you.

    Haven't even started with the gamma rep yet so that set is not in the mix yet. The Competitive and Nukara sets work very well together. Temporal Rep Torpedo in the rear. Krenim Temporal set and your slots are filling up nicely.

    Mine Laying, like Trico Bombing, is an art though and quite difficult to get the right balance.
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    questerius wrote: »
    Mine Laying, like Trico Bombing, is an art though and quite difficult to get the right balance.

    Fair enough, it's admittedly not my area of expertise. I'm sure you'll be able to make something descent out of it, but I worry about all the other players that will just slap 5 mines in the back and head into the queues. I plan to be soloing a lot of Borg and Tholians once they get it unlocked. :smiley:

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  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,913 Arc User
    Pretty much what sea said.

    Everyone has a build that works for them. But what works for some may not work for others, and vice-versa.

    That's why there are so many ships and so many ways to build them. I have my preferences and everyone else has theirs and we can all work together on that.

    I've never done a mine layer, nor a torpedo boat nor a turret build, but I'm interested in maybe trying them out sometime just for fun, but I'd never inflict myself on a team unless I at least had an idea of what I can or can't do.
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,301 Arc User
    questerius wrote: »
    Mine Laying, like Trico Bombing, is an art though and quite difficult to get the right balance.

    Fair enough, it's admittedly not my area of expertise. I'm sure you'll be able to make something descent out of it, but I worry about all the other players that will just slap 5 mines in the back and head into the queues. I plan to be soloing a lot of Borg and Tholians once they get it unlocked. :smiley:

    I admit, it's not my thing. I differ to others with superior knowledge on the topic.

    5 mines may be a bit over the top. Global cool down and all.
    Mine laying is like science damage builds, synergy between abilities/weapons is key.
    It's like throwing down TR and having no investment in PartGen whatsoever.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    nimbull wrote: »
    imadude3 wrote: »
    rattler2 wrote: »
    D'Derpidex?

    i have the T6 fleet version. it has been forever since i used it last, but just going by what i remember, the thing has potential to be a real mean machine, i even dare say it competes with my T'laru for the role of "most powerful ship in MY fleet"
    The fleet D'Deridex isn't too bad since you can stack a decent amount of tac boff powers on it. It'll never be a great ship, though, with it's weak turn rate and bleh 4/4 weapons. Still, it kicks the living daylights out of a useless Samsar and a nearly useless Resolute. It even wrecks a T6 "equivalent" Galaxy. He.ll, it even curb stomps a T6 Sovereign, one of the most disappointing FED T6 ships of all time after the Resolute.

    Hey that Samsar is the best ship in the game when you want a cruiser that grabs enemy ships with the Nacelles and eats their bridges. "Brrraaaaaiiiinnnzzzzz!"
    But then if you want to name it "Zombie Apocalypse," you have to leave out the space to fit in the silly name length cap. :disappointed:
  • djf021djf021 Member Posts: 1,378 Arc User
    rattler2 wrote: »
    Ok guys... if you want to debate the Bortasqu to death... probably should make another thread before a Mod comes in.

    Also... turn rate might not be as much of a problem with one of the Competative Rep Impulse Engines. From what I've seen... one of them jacks up turn rate like CRAZY when you use a hull heal. Even a Bort may very well turn on a dime while one of those is equipped.

    I hadn't thought of that. The Prevailing Regalia set with the Innervated engines makes my Morrigu almost seem to rotate freely. Now I am VERY curious what it would do on a slower cruiser. I might have to try that...
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  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    Trait is meh, Command powers are meh, ensign should have been a Sci, not another Eng & looks are average. Overall nothing to make you really want to buy it, imo.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,820 Arc User
    The Resolute isn't the most hated ship prize, since it wasn't a prize. It was a C-Store purchase, not given away for free.

    It might still be the most hated one. At least it looks decent.

    I think the Excelsior and Resolute look like Starfleet hit puberty and made the most thin, gangly, awkward, and LLLOOOOONNNNNGGG ship they could.

    It's good that somebody likes it, but I think it looks like it went through a taffy stretcher.

    Could say something similar about the Crossfield or Universe class...

    Personally I think the Universe is the fugliest ship I've ever seen.

  • spacecatz#6038 spacecatz Member Posts: 69 Arc User
    The excelsior is fine, the Discovery on the other hand is fugly it looks like a rusty pizza cutter, the Universe is not much better either as it looks like a squashed pancake with spindly naccelles.
  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,918 Arc User
    lianthelia wrote: »

    Personally I think the Universe is the fugliest ship I've ever seen.

    I couldn't agree more.

    It's an abomination.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    Both the Crossfield and Universe are amazing looking ships.​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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  • ussvaliant#6064 ussvaliant Member Posts: 1,006 Arc User
    D'Deridex is not a bad ship i fly one fine on a ENG Rommie and do a good deal of tanking and dmg with him. Now the Negh'var that is a god awful ship or feels like one. As Picard would say "an overworked, underpowered vessel that was always on the verge of flying apart at the seams,"

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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Personally I think the Universe is the fugliest ship I've ever seen.
    Agreed. It looks like a normal Fed ship run over by a steamroller, Wile E. Coyote style.
  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    Both the Crossfield and Universe are amazing looking ships.​​
    Ok, now we know this guy is a troll. The magnificent Excelsior is ugly but he Universe looks amazing? Pffffffffttttttt.

    coldnapalm wrote: »
    rattler2 wrote: »
    I doubt it can curbstomp a T6 Sovy that's well built.
    No it's not even debatable. The Intel Sovereign's T6 "universal" boff seat gives you 2 poor choices. The first is to use science which is the default choice since it has zero science boff abilities otherwise. While doing so is the obvious choice, you end up with a mostly useless lieutenan commander sci boff slot UNLESS you run OSS3. Otherwise it's useless since the ship doesn't have a secondary deflector. The second poor choice you have is to run a 3rd tac slot. While this might be tempting and gives you good firepower, it leaves the ship exposed since it wouldn't be able to get hazard emitters or any other clearing abilities. Let's not even mention the absolutely terrible choice of slotting a 3rd engineering boff. With this ship, you must pick science for the universal slot. It's usually best IMO to run OSS3 and two sci powers. The Sovereign also has a crappy lieutenant engineering slot to go with it's commander engineering slot. 6 engineering boff powers is too many and you end up with a lot of wasted potential.

    The T6 D'deridex has a "universal" lieutenant slot in which the only good choice is to go tac. This gives you a total of 3 tac stations, Lt. Comm, Lieutenant and Ensign. A total of 6 tac boff powers which is superior to the Sovereign's weak slotting of only 4 tac boff powers. The D'Deridex also gives you 4 engineering boff powers which is pretty much optimal and less wasteful than the Sovereign's unnecessary 6 engineering boff powers. Both ships end up having 3 science boff powers with the Intel Sovereign having access to the awesome ability of OSS3. Having OSS3 is the only nice thing about the Intel Sovereign in my opinion. But I'd rather have access to the 6 tac boff slots over OSS3 which will be wasted on a ship that only has 4 tac boff powers.

    The T6 D'Deridex is the superior ship and it isn't even close. The above information doesn't even mention having battle cloak without using a horrific 3 piece set. Also, it goes without saying that the pilot is the most important aspect of whether one ship would defeat another.

    Actually, I use that uni slot on the intel sovvy for hazard 1, oss2 and oss3. That boosts DPS is a good chunck as you will have a pretty good uptime of OSS with that setup. Even on a A2B build, you want two copies of OSS. Also on anA2B build, 6 engineer slots is not too much as you are gonna use 2 slots for A2B, 3 slots for EPtX (personally I use EPtW, EPtA and EPtE...why aux when you dump it for A2B? Because with so much power, I keep aux high so even with A2B, I can get the amp bonus) and 1 for ET.

    Now with the DD, I tend to not run A2B actually and use other methods to reduce abilities to run global. In fact I use a LOT of resources to get this ship to run things at global. That means however that I can run A2D with 100% uptime and EPtE. Which gives this ship a pretty decent boost in mobility (and actually more fun than the sovvy because of it). May not be the most efficent method of building out this ship...but without that combo, I find this ship pretty much unusable for me. Even if I went with the more efficent A2B build and run only two EPtX over three and have a LOT of tact powers, I find that does not overcome the power of dual OSS however. And regardless, I am running the DD without any ET...which makes it significantly squisher.

    Yeah the sovvy is a better ship...if only because OSS2+OSS3 is a butch boost to damage.
    Those are pretty valid and well thought out comments but I don't see such a build beating an equivalent player running a D'Deridex. The Sovereign with dual OSS would get a good DPS score in PVE though. I mean, don't get me wrong, neither ship is good for PVP but I see the D'Deridex winning the battle.
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  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    A beam boat cruiser with 3 Tac consoles and 5 Engineering consoles.. *yawn*.. pass. I'll agree though, superior to the Samsar but that's all I will give it. The Samsar is about the only thing that that keeps me from rating it dead last.

    The 3/5 layout can be overcome with beams, but it still loses points for having a stupid handicap that must be overcome. The 3/5 layout serves the same function as all those engineering stations on the Galaxy or Sovereign, it handcuffs it to one type of build. At least the Archon is really really good at that one build, the Ytijara will only ever be a medicore beam cruiser. They could have at least given it a good console or trait.. even the Samsar had the console going for it once upon a time.
    The main thing that makes the Ytijara better is it's vastly superior boff layout. 3 tac consoles isn't great but it's sufficient for the typical player. But being able to slot 6 tac boff powers over the Samsar's pathetic 2 makes the Ytijara way more desirable and probably better than some of the more meh c-store ships like the Resolute, Andromeda etc.
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  • echattyechatty Member Posts: 5,913 Arc User
    reyan01 wrote: »
    echatty wrote: »
    Pretty much what sea said.

    Everyone has a build that works for them. But what works for some may not work for others, and vice-versa.

    That's why there are so many ships and so many ways to build them. I have my preferences and everyone else has theirs and we can all work together on that.

    I've never done a mine layer, nor a torpedo boat nor a turret build, but I'm interested in maybe trying them out sometime just for fun, but I'd never inflict myself on a team unless I at least had an idea of what I can or can't do.
    I haven't tried most of those either.

    I have, however, tired a torpedo-boat build on my trusty FT5-U Rhode Island. I won't go into great detail - posting build specifics isn't my thing. All I'll say is that I use a mix of torpeodes that have a secondary effect (Quantum phase for example) and shift all weapon power to Auxiliary. With Aux at 130, the sci powers - drain or EPG depending on which build I'm using - pack a nice punch and combine nicely with the torpedoes and their procs.

    Thanks for the tips. I can always experiment. I do have the RI refit (not T5U), as well as quite a few other ships I can play with on my main acct. My F2P has a very limited choice of ships, so not much yet to play with. Still, I like to play around and have fun, so we'll see.

    I'm always open to reasonable suggestions. :)
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    artan42 wrote: »
    Both the Crossfield and Universe are amazing looking ships.
    Ok, now we know this guy is a troll. The magnificent Excelsior is ugly but he Universe looks amazing? Pffffffffttttttt.

    The E*******r is a stupid, overbalanced, accordion necked bastardisation of the fantastic designs that came before it like the NX, Conni Refit, Cardenas, Newton, Miranda, Constellation, Kelvin, and so on.

    The Universe is the future. It's a insight into what would happen if technology advanced to the point where nacelles and pylons didn't need to be in balance with the saucer.​​
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    Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

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  • rattler2rattler2 Member Posts: 57,973 Community Moderator
    artan42 wrote: »
    The E*******r is a stupid, overbalanced, accordion necked bastardisation of the fantastic designs that came before it like the NX, Conni Refit, Cardenas, Newton, Miranda, Constellation, Kelvin, and so on.

    The Universe is the future. It's a insight into what would happen if technology advanced to the point where nacelles and pylons didn't need to be in balance with the saucer.​​

    I honestly don't know about the Universe, other than she was designed very quickly, unlike most other ships.

    As for the Excelsior... she's a product of her time. Started life as a testbed for Transwarp tech, which may have influenced the design, and later became a frontline cruiser for the late 23rd Century. Hell... Excelsiors were still active well into the late 24th and fought during the Dominion War. While I love the Connie Refit... the Excelsior actually looks like it can take a hit. And with it being a bigger ship, its better suited for the multi-role setup that most Federation starships are designed for. More space for more facilities.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    rattler2 wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    The E*******r is a stupid, overbalanced, accordion necked bastardisation of the fantastic designs that came before it like the NX, Conni Refit, Cardenas, Newton, Miranda, Constellation, Kelvin, and so on.

    The Universe is the future. It's a insight into what would happen if technology advanced to the point where nacelles and pylons didn't need to be in balance with the saucer.

    I honestly don't know about the Universe, other than she was designed very quickly, unlike most other ships.

    As for the Excelsior... she's a product of her time. Started life as a testbed for Transwarp tech, which may have influenced the design, and later became a frontline cruiser for the late 23rd Century. Hell... Excelsiors were still active well into the late 24th and fought during the Dominion War. While I love the Connie Refit... the Excelsior actually looks like it can take a hit. And with it being a bigger ship, its better suited for the multi-role setup that most Federation starships are designed for. More space for more facilities.

    Compared to the sturdy looks of the Miranda, Kelvin, or the Constellation it looks like it'd snap under moderate stress (kinda like the Galaxy in that regard).

    Obviously that doesn't translate into actual durability as, due to the lack of availability of Ambasador models, the E*******r was the go to TNG hero ship of the week.

    And the Crossfield was built as a testbed and yet still manages to look designed and not like it was cobbled together from parts that don't fit.​​
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    JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

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    'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
    'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
    'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
    '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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  • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 5,985 Arc User
    The Excelsior has proven to be a rugged and versatile design, the fact it's been in service for over a century says how effective the ship still is. Excelsiors are the workhorse of the fleet and that is reflected in it's long service with Starfleet.
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