It's excellent, was not expecting it to be the prologue. That said I'll be watching episode 3
I believe the problem a lot of people have with Discovery is that it is too different from what we have seen in Star Trek. DS9 eased its way into its war with the Dominion so we can understand the setting better before going to war.
Personally, I think it would have been better if the series premiere was the Mid-Season Finale. Have the first half of the season getting to know the crew of the Shenzhou and Captain Georgiou before it is destroyed and the USS Discovery and its crew is introduced for the latter half of the season. It would certainly make the destruction of the Shenzhou more impactful compared to only giving us a couple of episodes before its destruction. Now it only shows that they destroyed our chance of having a good female captain since two episodes is not enough.
As Sun Tzu put it "know your enemy". They were probably deciding what the best plan of attack was.
proof these aren't a warrior race of Klingons, but warrior-look addicted posers. You don't debate your initial strategy AFTER you've started your deployment.
they'd already executed the "initial strategy". What was left was to decide the best way to force the Feds they'd lured into their ambush to fit into their plan.
As Sun Tzu put it "know your enemy". They were probably deciding what the best plan of attack was.
proof these aren't a warrior race of Klingons, but warrior-look addicted posers. You don't debate your initial strategy AFTER you've started your deployment.
they'd already executed the "initial strategy". What was left was to decide the best way to force the Feds they'd lured into their ambush to fit into their plan.
They did give us beautiful visuals in this Pilot.
But, I think things could have been more clear if they left more of the plot in.
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As Sun Tzu put it "know your enemy". They were probably deciding what the best plan of attack was.
proof these aren't a warrior race of Klingons, but warrior-look addicted posers. You don't debate your initial strategy AFTER you've started your deployment.
they'd already executed the "initial strategy". What was left was to decide the best way to force the Feds they'd lured into their ambush to fit into their plan.
point is, when you are crossing the border to provoke a war, you don't sit there AFTER you crossed the border debating what to do, esp. when what to do floats right up and takes a stationary (easily targeted) position just off your bow. The actions are obvious and clear here. Using the strategy of least respect, you decloak, open fire, and if you want them to call in help to really get it rolling, you hit them just enough that they can't escape and use them as bait.
This isn't rocket-surgery, a Warrior is decisive in both the attack, and the defense. the long period of indecision says a LOT about these aliens as opposed to Klingons.
Clearly T'kuvma's bunch are a mutant subset beset with mental deficiencies, and possibly they're not even really warriors at all, but instead, like those fat men in Michigan stockpiling guns, posers.
If your fleet has cloaking devices that have never been seen before, then you can spend as much time as you want debating strategy. The only problem is if the target decides to leave. Although, I wonder how small of a ship they could have put a cloaking device on. A few cloaked shuttles or mines could do a ton of damage. It is always fun to make the opponent wait while setting up traps all around them.
I honestly think Burnham is a pretty unsympathetic character as she is right now. Every action she took in the first episode seems motivated by a degree of selfishness.
It is blatant throughout the episode that she doesn't trust or respect her ship mates, which is why she is constantly trying to push herself into doing their tasks for them. Her go to strategy for dealing with disagreement is to try to posture herself as being the smartest person in the room. She tries to pay lip service regarding respect and duty, but it is usually only to cover her own butt when somebody is about to call her out on her behavior.
The fact that she mutinied isn't really all that surprising when you look at the various small character moments she has over the course of the episode. Her behavior seems to largely be fueled by personal insecurities about herself and prejudice towards non-Vulcans.
She uses her past trauma with the Klingons to rationalize a view that violence is the only solution. The situation at hand hadn't escalated to violence. As Sarek pointed out the Klingons weren't operating in their normal way. Everyone around her saw that she was letting her fear guide her actions, but she rejected every ones advice and insisted that her beliefs were the only reasonable ones.
Likewise she idolizes the Vulcans who saved and raised her, viewing them as being smarter and stronger than any other race in the Federation. This admiration went as far as her trying to emulate them, or at least how she perceived them. Despite her attempts she never quite fit in with their society, leading to her insecurities. She had a desperate need to prove herself worthy of them, and this resulted in her viewing her non-Vulcan ship mates as being inherently inferior. Since she views the Vulcans as the superior race it prevents her from viewing her shipmates as equals. To admit that they are her equals would be to feed her insecurities that she is less than the superior Vulcans.
The mutiny was inevitable due to these two character traits. A lack of respect for her peers combined with a powerful fear response could only end in disaster once the crisis started. In the end she chose to trust Vulcan historical precedent over her shipmates to protect her from the source of her fears.
So far so good, despite my personal dislike for new klingons. I just hope they will not try to fit this in the original universe. They should just run it as a spin-off, another parallel universe or whatnot.
Oh, and we know that a century later, at least two much smaller scale events that seem somewhat familiar:
- Riker gets aboard a Klingon ship, and is challenged by a Klingon (is he even challenged? Or did he just want his seat), and hits him. He earns respect from the Klingons.l
- Picard is on Q'onos I think and gets challenged by a Klingon. He hits him. He earns respect by that.
They aren't the same thing as shooting on another ship, but the point is that they didn't just reciprocate the action, they escalated it.
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^Since you bring up "A Matter of Honor", the conclusion of the episode also has Riker take a dive: he literally lets the Klingon captain clobber him, so that the captain doesn't look weak after Riker embarrassed him a few minutes earlier.
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Challenging the Captain in front of the crew was not a good move on Burnham's point
While true, this isn't anything new to Star Trek. I can't remember how many times Dr. McCoy, Scotty or Spock questioned Kirk's orders in front of the crew. Lt. Saavik was scolded for doing so. So was Valeris. Pretty sure Riker questioned Picard a few times here and there too. No one blinked an eye when any of them did it. Wonder why Burnham is held to a different standard?
Starfleet may have been stricter back then
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-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
^ more likely people are hating on Discovery because it seems to be the fashionable thing to do.
I think it's more to do, in that regard, with the 'JJ-Trek' era in general. Yes, JJ wasn't involved in Discovery, but his spirit certainly is: the one where they spit on lore, and only cater to a more youthful generation, who couldn't care less about canon, are easily pleased, and think everything is cool as long as things have pimped-out nacells, flashy FX, and a pretty girl -- no matter how obnoxious she is.
Like I said earlier, I'm not much about canon myself; but I can certainly see how Trek being torn down by populist writers like JJ, who utterly disrespect any and all tradition, is a trend which might irritate people. Me? I will definitely continue to watch Discovery; but I can certainly see why ppl might have a beef with this kind of TV.
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I got no hate towards Discovery, i actually like it.
Me too. Granted, I don't like Burnham much, but it's Trek, and I look forward seeing more of it.
Once you start to understand what it's about and why the characters including Burnham are doing what they do, it fits into place as it should. It's too early to make a judgement on Burnham yet until more story is given and it starts falling into place and she isn't the only one, you got Saru as well.
i too look forward to seeing more .
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I believe the problem a lot of people have with Discovery is that it is too different from what we have seen in Star Trek. DS9 eased its way into its war with the Dominion so we can understand the setting better before going to war.
Personally, I think it would have been better if the series premiere was the Mid-Season Finale. Have the first half of the season getting to know the crew of the Shenzhou and Captain Georgiou before it is destroyed and the USS Discovery and its crew is introduced for the latter half of the season. It would certainly make the destruction of the Shenzhou more impactful compared to only giving us a couple of episodes before its destruction. Now it only shows that they destroyed our chance of having a good female captain since two episodes is not enough.
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They did give us beautiful visuals in this Pilot.
But, I think things could have been more clear if they left more of the plot in.
“Tell me and I forget. Teach me and I remember. Involve me and I learn.” -- Benjamin Franklin
If your fleet has cloaking devices that have never been seen before, then you can spend as much time as you want debating strategy. The only problem is if the target decides to leave. Although, I wonder how small of a ship they could have put a cloaking device on. A few cloaked shuttles or mines could do a ton of damage. It is always fun to make the opponent wait while setting up traps all around them.
It is blatant throughout the episode that she doesn't trust or respect her ship mates, which is why she is constantly trying to push herself into doing their tasks for them. Her go to strategy for dealing with disagreement is to try to posture herself as being the smartest person in the room. She tries to pay lip service regarding respect and duty, but it is usually only to cover her own butt when somebody is about to call her out on her behavior.
The fact that she mutinied isn't really all that surprising when you look at the various small character moments she has over the course of the episode. Her behavior seems to largely be fueled by personal insecurities about herself and prejudice towards non-Vulcans.
She uses her past trauma with the Klingons to rationalize a view that violence is the only solution. The situation at hand hadn't escalated to violence. As Sarek pointed out the Klingons weren't operating in their normal way. Everyone around her saw that she was letting her fear guide her actions, but she rejected every ones advice and insisted that her beliefs were the only reasonable ones.
Likewise she idolizes the Vulcans who saved and raised her, viewing them as being smarter and stronger than any other race in the Federation. This admiration went as far as her trying to emulate them, or at least how she perceived them. Despite her attempts she never quite fit in with their society, leading to her insecurities. She had a desperate need to prove herself worthy of them, and this resulted in her viewing her non-Vulcan ship mates as being inherently inferior. Since she views the Vulcans as the superior race it prevents her from viewing her shipmates as equals. To admit that they are her equals would be to feed her insecurities that she is less than the superior Vulcans.
The mutiny was inevitable due to these two character traits. A lack of respect for her peers combined with a powerful fear response could only end in disaster once the crisis started. In the end she chose to trust Vulcan historical precedent over her shipmates to protect her from the source of her fears.
We don't know if her approach would have worked. We really don't. We definitely know that Starfleet's regular approach didn't work.
- Riker gets aboard a Klingon ship, and is challenged by a Klingon (is he even challenged? Or did he just want his seat), and hits him. He earns respect from the Klingons.l
- Picard is on Q'onos I think and gets challenged by a Klingon. He hits him. He earns respect by that.
They aren't the same thing as shooting on another ship, but the point is that they didn't just reciprocate the action, they escalated it.
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I think it's more to do, in that regard, with the 'JJ-Trek' era in general. Yes, JJ wasn't involved in Discovery, but his spirit certainly is: the one where they spit on lore, and only cater to a more youthful generation, who couldn't care less about canon, are easily pleased, and think everything is cool as long as things have pimped-out nacells, flashy FX, and a pretty girl -- no matter how obnoxious she is.
Like I said earlier, I'm not much about canon myself; but I can certainly see how Trek being torn down by populist writers like JJ, who utterly disrespect any and all tradition, is a trend which might irritate people. Me? I will definitely continue to watch Discovery; but I can certainly see why ppl might have a beef with this kind of TV.
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Me too.
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A normie goes "Oh, what's this?"
An otaku goes "UwU, what's this?"
A furry goes "OwO, what's this?"
A werewolf goes "Awoo, what's this?"
"It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like I've gotten to know a person until I've sniffed their crotch."
"We said 'no' to Mr. Curiosity. We're not home. Curiosity is not welcome, it is not to be invited in. Curiosity...is bad. It gets you in trouble, it gets you killed, and more importantly...it makes you poor!"
Once you start to understand what it's about and why the characters including Burnham are doing what they do, it fits into place as it should. It's too early to make a judgement on Burnham yet until more story is given and it starts falling into place and she isn't the only one, you got Saru as well.
i too look forward to seeing more
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