test content
What is the Arc Client?
Install Arc

[Idea]Alternate Method For Uber-Rare Endgame Vessels

kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
So tons of people want an end game Connie/T'liss/D7(K't'inga)/Khenn but don't/won't shuck out the absurd buckets of $$ or EC to get them at current market prices. I'm sure there are a few others that came out of Promotion! boxes or other sources as well.
So how about this:
Fleet t6 versions, no specialist seating, no ship trait, no special weapon or console, "just" the ship and normal seating and t1-4 mastery. This gives Cryptic their money, retains the value of the originals, and lets the rest of us pick a favorite ship to fly.
«134

Comments

  • vegeta50024vegeta50024 Member Posts: 2,335 Arc User
    So tons of people want an end game Connie/T'liss/D7(K't'inga)/Khenn but don't/won't shuck out the absurd buckets of $$ or EC to get them at current market prices. I'm sure there are a few others that came out of Promotion! boxes or other sources as well.
    So how about this:
    Fleet t6 versions, no specialist seating, no ship trait, no special weapon or console, "just" the ship and normal seating and t1-4 mastery. This gives Cryptic their money, retains the value of the originals, and lets the rest of us pick a favorite ship to fly.

    honestly, if they don't have the specialist seating, they're not T6. You might as well ask for a T5/T5-U Connie since that's essentially what it is close to.

    TSC_Signature_Gen_4_-_Vegeta_Small.png
  • lopequillopequil Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    Promo boxes are a big money spinner, don't hold your breath.
    Q9BWcdD.png
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    lopequil wrote: »
    Promo boxes are a big money spinner, don't hold your breath.

    oh Im sure itll get ignored, but nothing ventured, nothing gained eh?
    honestly, if they don't have the specialist seating, they're not T6. You might as well ask for a T5/T5-U Connie since that's essentially what it is close to.

    Most specialist seating is highly overrated garbage, I rarely slot more than 2 spec powers.
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,501 Arc User
    Nope.

    R&D promo boxes keep the staff paid and the servers running. If they cut off their funding, hilarity will not ensue.
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    Nope.

    R&D promo boxes keep the staff paid and the servers running. If they cut off their funding, hilarity will not ensue.
    No thanks, I'd prefer the game not go under.

    If you want one of the luxury ships bad enough you'll get it, if you don't want it that badly you wont.

    did you two actually read the proposal? The "value" of the promo ships remains, they keep their consoles/weapons, and traits and spec seating.
    azrael605 wrote: »
    Maybe. Use alternative spec seating, make them unlock only for fully upgraded fleets (starbase T5, all holdings T3), charge 1 million Fleet credits plus 8 fleet ship modulesn and no traits.

    Or dont bother with gimmick seating since it doesnt do THAT much for them and not make the price equally absurd as the existing ones.

    I do like the potential behind the requirements being high like that tho.
  • szimszim Member Posts: 2,503 Arc User
    If I remember correctly it was CBS who wouldn't allow the Connie and other ships from the same era to be endgame ships in the past. It is conceivable to assume that when they eventually changed their mind and decided to allow them as endgame ships, they still wanted them to be very rare.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    did you two actually read the proposal? The "value" of the promo ships remains, they keep their consoles/weapons, and traits and spec seating.
    The value of the promo ships is lots of people willing to pay through the nose to get them. That would most certainly not "remain" if there was a cheap version available, missing nothing but trivial gimmicks.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    I did later at 60 when I finally took that ship for the Admiralty Card.
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
    Judge Dan Haywood
    'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
    Lt. Philip J. Minns
  • taylor1701dtaylor1701d Member Posts: 3,099 Arc User
    It's a lie that the value remains.

    Many people want them just to have an endgame viable tos Connie. It has to be the only game in town or there's no point.

    Sto isn't a charity.

    Druks right.

    The "rarity" of the ship model itself needs to be considered by OP.
    As it is right now, The T6 Connie is a very, very rare/exclusive ship, that only a select few have had the means/luck to acquire.
    Its a status symbol much like a high end Porsche or Ferrari in RL.
    If everyone could have a look alike model on the cheap, the high end versions would no longer have such a strong appeal to wealthy car enthusiasts. They'd simply move on to next hard to obtain car model.

    The idea is that they stand out from the crowd, and not blend into the ether of everyday people.

    If a discount T6 Connie (even a T5) were to be released in the c-store. How many people do you think would stop pursuing the Real Deal T6 version ?

    Demand would immediately fall off for the vast majority of T6 Connie seekers. Many would simply buy the C-store version for a mere 30 bucks and forget about chasing that shiny, shiny (so shiny) T6 version.
    They'd be satisfied with their "near" end game connie and move on.

    So while I can understand the OPs POV.. it doesn't really make sense for the well being of the game in the long run.

    And tbh, I was pretty annoyed at the time they announced the Promo! T6 Connie, much like OP probably was. I felt a bit shafted, or that the devs had made a mistake.
    But after much time and thought on the matter (and more then a few threads of debate), I've come to the realization some time ago that the Promo Connie was the best course of action for the well being of the game.

    I know it sucks OP, to not be able to have the nicer things in life. But that's the reality of the society we live in, it's a capitalist system. Not communism. Or even socialism.

    And how boring would it be if everybody had the same ships under these other economic systems.
    It's like everyone driving a VW beetle in pre war Germany. Car of the people. :/
    Nothing shiny.. nothing to aspire to. Nothing to motivate hard work.
    Drab, grey, status quo. Everywhere.
    It's not a world I want to live in.

    Just some food for thought for OP.
    [img][/img]OD5urLn.jpg
  • captainkenny1captainkenny1 Member Posts: 326 Arc User
    > @repetitiveepic said:
    > No thanks, I'd prefer the game not go under.
    >
    > If you want one of the luxury ships bad enough you'll get it, if you don't want it that badly you wont.

    This is so true, if you really want it, then you have it, no matter what price.
    Don't expect to buy a Ferrari for 10k $
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    edited July 2017
    Anyone can get one just by playing the game diligently and intelligently. They are about 1.2b ec, It is not a particularly vast sum.
    That price is beyond absurd, its beyond words level absurd frankly. Hell the market manipulators keeping the JJprize at 400million is on the edge of absurd pricing as well. One should not have to turn grinding out cash in an mmo into a second job just to be able to fly the ship they like, especially when there is minimal difference in game effect for the average user and the bulk of that mmo is all about its space barbie cosmetics. The fact that you think its "not a particularly vast sum" tells me a lot of things about you, chief among them is the need for a reality check.

    I know it sucks OP, to not be able to have the nicer things in life. But that's the reality of the society we live in, it's a capitalist system. Not communism. Or even socialism.

    And how boring would it be if everybody had the same ships under these other economic systems.
    It's like everyone driving a VW beetle in pre war Germany. Car of the people. :/
    Nothing shiny.. nothing to aspire to. Nothing to motivate hard work.
    Drab, grey, status quo. Everywhere.
    It's not a world I want to live in.

    Just some food for thought for OP.

    you can put the guts of your metaphorical VW in a ferarri shell, it still wont be a ferarri. Sure there would be a temporary spike in connie sightings but it wont last, look at the JJprize and vengeance, on release you couldnt go 2 seconds without seeing a dozen of them everywhere. Now, while common, they're not everywhere. One of the main selling points is the 'freedom to choose' or the 'space barbie' as many call it. You want your high end ferarri with all the special stuff you'll go get your ferarri, not a cheap body look alike job with the guts of a corvette or VW or whatever other metaphorical car you want to name.


    yall also ignoring the fact that the idea also focuses on other, sometimes completely unobtainable, designs such as the Khenn. This isn't solely about endgame connies ffs. Yer also ignoring the fact that Fleet Modules cost $$, so cryptic still gets its money. Even if you buy yer modules off the ex someone paid $$ somewhere.
  • killer1986chriskiller1986chris Member Posts: 382 Arc User
    The biggest value in ships like the Connie is the skin, if you toss that out cheap then the whole point is lost.
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    It's not absurd at all it's a literally "reasonable" price for it.

    I can understand if someone is very new to sto they would think a billion ec was some impossible number, but after 6 months? a year? It shouldn't be difficult at all.

    People who are new should not expect to get the 'best items in the game' right away in an MMO.
    Ive been playing this game for years and have never gotten close to 1b ec, there is no way in any dimension that is remotely reasonable pricing for anything. Just because you have no life outside STO and can grind 12hrs a day does not make it reasonable.
  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    no specialist seating
    There's no precedent for that at T6, therefore, it's too unreasonable.
  • lordsteve1lordsteve1 Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    It's an open market and things are worth what people want to pay. The T6 Connie is 1.2B because it's worth that much, it costs a lot to acquire so sellers havevevery right to charge what they feel it cost them to get it.
    The whole attraction of these ships also is the rarity, the status symbol of owning one. Put an imitation version in the c-store and the real thing loses its exclusivity. They just become cheap bootlegs of the real deal.
    SulMatuul.png
  • cbrjwrrcbrjwrr Member Posts: 2,782 Arc User
    It's like everyone driving a VW beetle in pre war Germany. Car of the people. :/

    You mean post '47; the few pre-war beetles were given to government officials, and not one Beetle went to anyone who filled out their 5 books of stamps, and once the war was on the Beetle was basically not produced; 630 Beetles in the war before the Allies bombed the heck out of the factory to stop them producing all the military vehicles it was doing.

    Post war production was restarted in '45, but it wasn't until '47 when the 20,000 ordered by the British army were delivered that civilians could get them new.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,569 Arc User
    edited July 2017
    My (potential) T6 Constitution or Annorax or Sheshar or JHSS cost me two R&D Promotion Packs. I picked it up in early December from an R&D Infinity Promotion. It still sits in my Account Bank. Don't know what I am going to do with it yet. It will either become an Annorax or be sold like I did with two 26th Century Heavy Dreadnoughts. Those cost me four R&D Promotion Packs for one, the other I won from a 2P contest. Got a few T6 Lockbox/Lobi ships instead and still have plenty of EC leftover.

    I really don't care what other people drive so rarity means nothing to me. I could never understand the mentality of those glitterati who get all bent out of shape because two of them showed up to a phoney party in the same red dress.

    If, as some have said, this is basically a single person game disquised as an MMO then it really shouldn't matter about what anyone else has. And if it is truly an MMO then if another person or persons in your Fleet has one too it shouldn't matter either. If it does, you're either in the wrong Fleet or you shouldn't be in a Fleet anyway.

    Knockoff Gucci bags or whatever never ended up lowering the price of the real one. It just let others bask in that crazy headed notion that they too had a Goocci (sic).
    Post edited by ltminns on
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
    Judge Dan Haywood
    'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
    Lt. Philip J. Minns
  • angarus1angarus1 Member Posts: 684 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    Maybe. Use alternative spec seating, make them unlock only for fully upgraded fleets (starbase T5, all holdings T3), charge 1 million Fleet credits plus 8 fleet ship modulesn and no traits.

    I like the alternative spec seating idea, it reminds me of the T6 Sovereign promo they did.
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    edited July 2017
    As for spending 12 hours a day playing sto, I don't know what you could do during 12 hours that would help you escape space poverty. Its not about playing a lot, its about playing smart.

    Your reading comprehension is really low isn't it? I do not spend 12hrs a day playing STO, I said you did. If I could/did spend 12hrs a day on STO, I'd probably be as delusional as you as to what is reasonable pricing.
    orangeitis wrote: »
    no specialist seating
    There's no precedent for that at T6, therefore, it's too unreasonable.

    Just because it has not happened yet, does not make it unreasonable... wtf
    ltminns wrote: »
    I really don't care what other people drive so rarity means nothing to me. I could never understand the mentality of those glitterati who get all bent out of shape because two of them showed up to a phoney party in the same red dress.

    If, as some have said, this is basically a single person game disquised as an MMO then it really shouldn't matter about what anyone else has. And if it is truly an MMO then if another person or persons in your Fleet has one too it shouldn't matter either. If it does, you're either in the wrong Fleet or you shouldn't be in a Fleet anyway.

    Knockoff Gucci bags or whatever never ended up lowering the price of the real one. It just let others bask in that crazy headed notion that they too had a Goocci (sic).

    ^someone gets it
This discussion has been closed.