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cormorancormoran Member Posts: 440 Arc User
I got bored, took some pics of STO's TOS ships and kitbashed them into a TOS version of an Akira. Enjoy!
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I'd love to see more of the TNG+ ships with a TOS aesthetic.
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 58,596 Community Moderator
    Well... I've seen some takes on a TOS era Defiant at least.
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    I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
    The nut who actually ground out many packs. The resident forum voice of reason (I HAZ FORUM REP! YAY!)
  • admiralnatadmiralnat Member Posts: 22,432 Arc User
    Cool.​​
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    Winning.
    It's what I do. It's what I just did. It's what I'm about to do again. It's being undisputed emperor of an empire that cannot be disproved as the most powerful intergalactic empire in the entire universe; I always win, and everything I've won will definitely be won again... by me. It's my signature move, and thus, it's my signature. Problem, Sonic? Yeah, I mean you, Sonic, because you're being beat up, despite your being super. You can't even hit Shadow back, can you? Nope, he's too strong for you. Of course, I'm not Shadow, I'm the Super Emerald fueled fox that's pulling the strings; trust me, the fight would only be a few frames long if I were in it personally. Oh, and here's something for all you guys thinking you can win Last Post Wins 3.0; trust me, I'll be around a long while after the sun has already consumed the Earth while I sit out with the forum servers on Titan. Yes, I mean Titan... that comparatively little moon orbiting Saturn. It's a nice little place in a version of our solar system where the sun is a lot bigger. I mean, Mars will last longer than your precious Earth, but by then, it'll be one hot planet... and I figure Saturn's moon will be about the right temperate for a super-powered warlord. Oh, and trust me, I packed a lot of rings, and I mean a lot. Trillions, in fact, so I'll never run out of rings to power my super form. Besides, if I start to run out, I can just chaos control more rings into my reach. It's quite easy, really. You should try it. Granted, you'll never have the 7 Super Emeralds that I have in my possession, nor the Master Emerald that I've got hidden away somewhere... absorbed into my body thanks to Sonic logic, but whatever. I win. Again. I'm not kidding, either. Just check Last Post Wins, and if the last post isn't mine, it soon will be. Very, very soon. You can count on it. Seriously. By the way, if you're wondering, there's a really great Super Tails sprite sheet out there... somewhere... by some guy named shadow_91. These sprites are really great. Like, really good. Quality. Just like what I like to see in a sprite sheet. Also, credit to Joe T.E., his Sonic Battle style Super Sonic sprites have a great palette for a Super Sonic being beat up by Super Shadow, who's palette is from a Super Shadow sheet of unknown origin, but it turns out they were "borrowed" from a better sheet made by a certain Domenico. Oh, and the gif is actually a custom made super version of a similar gif, of which there are only 3 or 4 copies to be found by Google, and even then, evidently of an unknown source. Yep, it's one of those things. Stuff people have made, spread around, only for it to vanish and you to be the only person who still has a copy, not even knowing where it came from... like, literally at all. Oh, and anyone notice that Shadow's little chaos snap blast thingies are red and blue now? Yeah, I changed it. Problem, fans of purple? Yeah, I know you got a problem with that one, but you can just deal with it. After all, according to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly... alright, alright, I'll spare you the entire Bee Movie script, just Google it if you want. By the way, ever wonder how your characters would've ended up if they evolved in another universe? Yeah, that. Think about it. Ok, so you probably didn't bother reading up to here, but whatever, here's a surprise for you guys over at ESD (RP) who were crazy enough to read this: Emperor Nat of the mcfreakin' Terran Empire is gonna be right all along! The universe is gonna go BOOM! *Thumbs up to the insanity*
    Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!

    tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
    Oh, look, an explosion...
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    Nice. I think STO should have been set up in a way that each and every ship in the game has aesthetics fit into each era to choose from. So every ship had a native TOS, TMP, TNG and STO future skin, granting the player complete liberty which ship skin to use just as they can choose every era's uniform.​​
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • admiralnatadmiralnat Member Posts: 22,432 Arc User
    angrytarg wrote: »
    Nice. I think STO should have been set up in a way that each and every ship in the game has aesthetics fit into each era to choose from. So every ship had a native TOS, TMP, TNG and STO future skin, granting the player complete liberty which ship skin to use just as they can choose every era's uniform.

    That's a lot of new models. Also, you forgot the Enterprise era and 26th century skins. I take it the 29th and 31st century ships would have skins of each other's eras as well?

    I can already imagine the TOS style Universe class...​​
    2jwMZnF.gif
    Winning.
    It's what I do. It's what I just did. It's what I'm about to do again. It's being undisputed emperor of an empire that cannot be disproved as the most powerful intergalactic empire in the entire universe; I always win, and everything I've won will definitely be won again... by me. It's my signature move, and thus, it's my signature. Problem, Sonic? Yeah, I mean you, Sonic, because you're being beat up, despite your being super. You can't even hit Shadow back, can you? Nope, he's too strong for you. Of course, I'm not Shadow, I'm the Super Emerald fueled fox that's pulling the strings; trust me, the fight would only be a few frames long if I were in it personally. Oh, and here's something for all you guys thinking you can win Last Post Wins 3.0; trust me, I'll be around a long while after the sun has already consumed the Earth while I sit out with the forum servers on Titan. Yes, I mean Titan... that comparatively little moon orbiting Saturn. It's a nice little place in a version of our solar system where the sun is a lot bigger. I mean, Mars will last longer than your precious Earth, but by then, it'll be one hot planet... and I figure Saturn's moon will be about the right temperate for a super-powered warlord. Oh, and trust me, I packed a lot of rings, and I mean a lot. Trillions, in fact, so I'll never run out of rings to power my super form. Besides, if I start to run out, I can just chaos control more rings into my reach. It's quite easy, really. You should try it. Granted, you'll never have the 7 Super Emeralds that I have in my possession, nor the Master Emerald that I've got hidden away somewhere... absorbed into my body thanks to Sonic logic, but whatever. I win. Again. I'm not kidding, either. Just check Last Post Wins, and if the last post isn't mine, it soon will be. Very, very soon. You can count on it. Seriously. By the way, if you're wondering, there's a really great Super Tails sprite sheet out there... somewhere... by some guy named shadow_91. These sprites are really great. Like, really good. Quality. Just like what I like to see in a sprite sheet. Also, credit to Joe T.E., his Sonic Battle style Super Sonic sprites have a great palette for a Super Sonic being beat up by Super Shadow, who's palette is from a Super Shadow sheet of unknown origin, but it turns out they were "borrowed" from a better sheet made by a certain Domenico. Oh, and the gif is actually a custom made super version of a similar gif, of which there are only 3 or 4 copies to be found by Google, and even then, evidently of an unknown source. Yep, it's one of those things. Stuff people have made, spread around, only for it to vanish and you to be the only person who still has a copy, not even knowing where it came from... like, literally at all. Oh, and anyone notice that Shadow's little chaos snap blast thingies are red and blue now? Yeah, I changed it. Problem, fans of purple? Yeah, I know you got a problem with that one, but you can just deal with it. After all, according to all known laws of aviation, there is no way a bee should be able to fly... alright, alright, I'll spare you the entire Bee Movie script, just Google it if you want. By the way, ever wonder how your characters would've ended up if they evolved in another universe? Yeah, that. Think about it. Ok, so you probably didn't bother reading up to here, but whatever, here's a surprise for you guys over at ESD (RP) who were crazy enough to read this: Emperor Nat of the mcfreakin' Terran Empire is gonna be right all along! The universe is gonna go BOOM! *Thumbs up to the insanity*
    Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!

    tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
    Oh, look, an explosion...
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
    admiralnat wrote: »
    That's a lot of new models. Also, you forgot the Enterprise era and 26th century skins. I take it the 29th and 31st century ships would have skins of each other's eras as well?

    I can already imagine the TOS style Universe class...

    That's why I said "should have" - obviously they didn't. And not every ship had to be included (seriously, why is it always only black or white with people?) but the faction default line-up. Lockbox and special ships don't have equivalents in other eras.​​
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    ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 6,015 Arc User
    Why do the Photon launchers look like they would wipe out the ship when they fire?
    The position on that launcher pod is a bit too low
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      "The meaning of victory is not to merely defeat your enemy but to destroy him, to completely eradicate him from living memory, to leave no remnant of his endeavours, to crush utterly his achievement and remove from all record his every trace of existence. From that defeat no enemy can ever recover. That is the meaning of victory."
      -Lord Commander Solar Macharius
    • silverlobes#2676 silverlobes Member Posts: 1,953 Arc User
      angrytarg wrote: »
      admiralnat wrote: »
      That's a lot of new models. Also, you forgot the Enterprise era and 26th century skins. I take it the 29th and 31st century ships would have skins of each other's eras as well?

      I can already imagine the TOS style Universe class...

      That's why I said "should have" - obviously they didn't. And not every ship had to be included (seriously, why is it always only black or white with people?) but the faction default line-up. Lockbox and special ships don't have equivalents in other eras.​​
      Because that's the mentality MSM promotes in people in this filthy era :unamused: Everything is pushed in Us vs Them terms: Divide and conquor, not exactly a new strategy, but a damned effective one :(
      "I fight for the Users!" - Tron

      "I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
    • brian334brian334 Member Posts: 2,219 Arc User
      Nice job. It sort of looks like a prototype Luna as well.

      Did you try the wings upside down? This would take the look farther from your goal of a TOS Akira, but I think it would look cool.
    • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,668 Arc User
      angrytarg wrote: »
      admiralnat wrote: »
      That's a lot of new models. Also, you forgot the Enterprise era and 26th century skins. I take it the 29th and 31st century ships would have skins of each other's eras as well?

      I can already imagine the TOS style Universe class...

      That's why I said "should have" - obviously they didn't. And not every ship had to be included (seriously, why is it always only black or white with people?) but the faction default line-up. Lockbox and special ships don't have equivalents in other eras.​​
      Because that's the mentality MSM promotes in people in this filthy era :unamused: Everything is pushed in Us vs Them terms: Divide and conquor, not exactly a new strategy, but a damned effective one :(

      ^^^^^
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    • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
      angrytarg wrote: »
      Nice. I think STO should have been set up in a way that each and every ship in the game has aesthetics fit into each era to choose from. So every ship had a native TOS, TMP, TNG and STO future skin, granting the player complete liberty which ship skin to use just as they can choose every era's uniform.​​

      No ENT, Kelvin, KT, and DS9 skins then? Or Universe or Wells? Or the post DS9 pre STO era?
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      Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
      JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

      #TASforSTO


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      'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
      '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
      'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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    • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
      Hmm... No.
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      ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
      "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
      "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
      "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
    • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
      angrytarg wrote: »
      Hmm... No.

      WHY DO YOU HATE DS9!!! pig-14.gif.​​
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      Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
      JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

      #TASforSTO


      '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
      'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
      'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
      '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
      'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
      '...Starfleet could use you... It's a peacekeeping and humanitarian armada...' Admiral Pike: Star Trek

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    • brian334brian334 Member Posts: 2,219 Arc User
      artan42 wrote: »
      angrytarg wrote: »
      Hmm... No.

      WHY DO YOU HATE DS9!!! pig-14.gif.​​

      Bajorans. Cardassians. No Tellarites.

      Do we need any more reasons?
    • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,668 Arc User
      brian334 wrote: »
      artan42 wrote: »
      angrytarg wrote: »
      Hmm... No.

      WHY DO YOU HATE DS9!!! pig-14.gif.​​

      Bajorans. Cardassians. No Tellarites.

      Do we need any more reasons?

      I'm fine with those, it's the war story I don't care for.
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    • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
      artan42 wrote: »
      WHY DO YOU HATE DS9!!! pig-14.gif.

      Because pig-24.gif

      But seriously, because I realise even in a theoretical feature I see the limitations of including everything. DS9s ships are still the TNG-era. The ship classes you are fond of and seen in FC were there to show unfamiliar, yet "old" hulls to make the new Enterprise stick out. That means that the Akira, Steamrunner et cetera had to bee in service during TNGs run already, the "Galaxy" design family essentially being already "proven" during TNGs run and being new in the era before that (after the Ambassador, during the Cardassian conflict). But they all used the same interiors more or less, same UIs so even if it got a bit pointier thse ships are all "TNG" aesthetics. Nemesis is still a TNG movie, after all.

      For my hypothetical concept to work I thought the most recognisable design languages should be included and that's TOS, TMP+ (Excelsior), TNG and then something original futuristic. The changeable aesthetics would apply like the character's outfits to the generic classes, as in every era has a "heavy cruiser" or "long range science vessel". Of course, if a ship is already singled out like "26c Dreadnaught Cruiser" or "Vor'Cha Battlecruiser" that's that specific ship with no alternative choices but variants of the same class and type.

      DS9 is by the way maybe my favourite Trek show (I can't really rank, TOS, TNG and DS9 are what I consider the core and good of Trek, with each of them having it's cringeworthy "Uuugh" moments) because it features the strongest character development and some of the best interpersonal relationships. I do like other shows better in spirit, but TNG always lacked some consistency even though during a rewatch I noticed former episodes are quite often referenced. TOS has of course a outstanding relationship between the protagonists but literally no development at all, it works because the actors share a great chemistry.​​
      lFC4bt2.gif
      ^ Memory Alpha.org is not canon. It's a open wiki with arbitrary rules. Only what can be cited from an episode is. ^
      "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
      "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
      "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
    • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
      angrytarg wrote: »
      But seriously, because I realise even in a theoretical feature I see the limitations of including everything. DS9s ships are still the TNG-era. The ship classes you are fond of and seen in FC were there to show unfamiliar, yet "old" hulls to make the new Enterprise stick out. That means that the Akira, Steamrunner et cetera had to bee in service during TNGs run already, the "Galaxy" design family essentially being already "proven" during TNGs run and being new in the era before that (after the Ambassador, during the Cardassian conflict). But they all used the same interiors more or less, same UIs so even if it got a bit pointier thse ships are all "TNG" aesthetics. Nemesis is still a TNG movie, after all.

      No, that's the out-of-universe explanation. In universe they are a separate design line. The TNG designs predate TNG because the Ambassador is an example. The DS9 ships might have been in service in TNG (as the introduction of the Defiant is contemporary with the end of TNG) but they are clearly completely unrelated to the Galaxy (and Nebula, Olympic, Springfield etc.). Silvery plated hulls not the white panels, squared off nacelles not the elliptical ones, pointed or oval saucers not round ones, split hulls etc. In fact they're more different from the TNG era ships than the TNG era ships are from the TMP era ones.

      Even the interiors (despite your blatant outright lies) are new. The Intrepid and Nova use similar assets, the Defiant is all new, the Prometheus has the same Bridge set as the Excelsior but new consoles etc. the rest of the interior is the Intrepid, and the Sovereign sets are completely new. All of them are more metallic overall and more compact than the TNG ones (which seem very similar to the TMP interiors for some reason...) even the Sovereign interior is more metallic and grey with smaller corridors than the Galaxy and it's beige and tan colour scheme.

      The DS9 era ships are a completely new family to the TNG era ones even if the names of the eras are completely misleading.​​
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      Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
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    • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
      artan42 wrote: »
      (...)

      Even the interiors (despite your blatant outright lies) are new. The Intrepid and Nova use similar assets, the Defiant is all new, the Prometheus has the same Bridge set as the Excelsior but new consoles etc. the rest of the interior is the Intrepid, and the Sovereign sets are completely new. All of them are more metallic overall and more compact than the TNG ones (which seem very similar to the TMP interiors for some reason...) even the Sovereign interior is more metallic and grey with smaller corridors than the Galaxy and it's beige and tan colour scheme.

      The DS9 era ships are a completely new family to the TNG era ones even if the names of the eras are completely misleading.

      I said "more or less" - they use the same sets with a few changed consoles and applications, but the computer system essentially is the same, eve the Ent-E has the same LCARS in place - with the exception of having actual screens instead of static images, but that's for out-of-universe reasons. The Sovereign really founds a new design language and is different from the Defiant and others.

      Since the shows more or less run parallel to each other I refuse to define them as different eras. You can lick my hind hooves if you don't like it for all I care pig-24.gif​​
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    • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
      angrytarg wrote: »
      artan42 wrote: »
      (...)

      Even the interiors (despite your blatant outright lies) are new. The Intrepid and Nova use similar assets, the Defiant is all new, the Prometheus has the same Bridge set as the Excelsior but new consoles etc. the rest of the interior is the Intrepid, and the Sovereign sets are completely new. All of them are more metallic overall and more compact than the TNG ones (which seem very similar to the TMP interiors for some reason...) even the Sovereign interior is more metallic and grey with smaller corridors than the Galaxy and it's beige and tan colour scheme.

      The DS9 era ships are a completely new family to the TNG era ones even if the names of the eras are completely misleading.

      I said "more or less" - they use the same sets with a few changed consoles and applications, but the computer system essentially is the same, eve the Ent-E has the same LCARS in place - with the exception of having actual screens instead of static images, but that's for out-of-universe reasons. The Sovereign really founds a new design language and is different from the Defiant and others.

      Since the shows more or less run parallel to each other I refuse to define them as different eras. You can lick my hind hooves if you don't like it for all I care pig-24.gif

      Bi-planes were still being produced in WWII, the Hawker Fury even uses the same engine cowling as the Hurricane. Would you say those are aircraft of the same generation, regardless of when they were built? The DC3 was still being built as the first jet planes (the Meteor and Vampire) entered service and yet the jet age is not part of the prop/single wing age.

      The beautiful, sleek, and elegant DS9 era ships may have entered service in TNG and some more of the stupid, bloated, ugly, Galaxys may have been built after the DS9 ships were introduced but it dosn't stop the designs from being two separate eras.

      And the Sovereign is no further separated from the Defiant than the Excelsior is from the Conni Refit. Distant, sure, but not enough to say it's a new era.​​
      22762792376_ac7c992b7c_o.png
      Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
      JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

      #TASforSTO


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      'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
      'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
      '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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    • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,668 Arc User
      artan42 wrote: »
      angrytarg wrote: »
      artan42 wrote: »
      (...)

      Even the interiors (despite your blatant outright lies) are new. The Intrepid and Nova use similar assets, the Defiant is all new, the Prometheus has the same Bridge set as the Excelsior but new consoles etc. the rest of the interior is the Intrepid, and the Sovereign sets are completely new. All of them are more metallic overall and more compact than the TNG ones (which seem very similar to the TMP interiors for some reason...) even the Sovereign interior is more metallic and grey with smaller corridors than the Galaxy and it's beige and tan colour scheme.

      The DS9 era ships are a completely new family to the TNG era ones even if the names of the eras are completely misleading.

      I said "more or less" - they use the same sets with a few changed consoles and applications, but the computer system essentially is the same, eve the Ent-E has the same LCARS in place - with the exception of having actual screens instead of static images, but that's for out-of-universe reasons. The Sovereign really founds a new design language and is different from the Defiant and others.

      Since the shows more or less run parallel to each other I refuse to define them as different eras. You can lick my hind hooves if you don't like it for all I care pig-24.gif

      Bi-planes were still being produced in WWII, the Hawker Fury even uses the same engine cowling as the Hurricane. Would you say those are aircraft of the same generation, regardless of when they were built? The DC3 was still being built as the first jet planes (the Meteor and Vampire) entered service and yet the jet age is not part of the prop/single wing age.

      The beautiful, sleek, and elegant DS9 era ships may have entered service in TNG and some more of the stupid, bloated, ugly, Galaxys may have been built after the DS9 ships were introduced but it dosn't stop the designs from being two separate eras.

      And the Sovereign is no further separated from the Defiant than the Excelsior is from the Conni Refit. Distant, sure, but not enough to say it's a new era.​​

      DS9 and beautiful never are in the same sentences for me. But that's just me, yo. DS9, to me, was more of the stuff that got hit with an ugly stick. But, as I said, that's just me.
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    • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
      artan42 wrote: »
      angrytarg wrote: »
      artan42 wrote: »
      (...)

      Even the interiors (despite your blatant outright lies) are new. The Intrepid and Nova use similar assets, the Defiant is all new, the Prometheus has the same Bridge set as the Excelsior but new consoles etc. the rest of the interior is the Intrepid, and the Sovereign sets are completely new. All of them are more metallic overall and more compact than the TNG ones (which seem very similar to the TMP interiors for some reason...) even the Sovereign interior is more metallic and grey with smaller corridors than the Galaxy and it's beige and tan colour scheme.

      The DS9 era ships are a completely new family to the TNG era ones even if the names of the eras are completely misleading.

      I said "more or less" - they use the same sets with a few changed consoles and applications, but the computer system essentially is the same, eve the Ent-E has the same LCARS in place - with the exception of having actual screens instead of static images, but that's for out-of-universe reasons. The Sovereign really founds a new design language and is different from the Defiant and others.

      Since the shows more or less run parallel to each other I refuse to define them as different eras. You can lick my hind hooves if you don't like it for all I care pig-24.gif

      Bi-planes were still being produced in WWII, the Hawker Fury even uses the same engine cowling as the Hurricane. Would you say those are aircraft of the same generation, regardless of when they were built? The DC3 was still being built as the first jet planes (the Meteor and Vampire) entered service and yet the jet age is not part of the prop/single wing age.

      The beautiful, sleek, and elegant DS9 era ships may have entered service in TNG and some more of the stupid, bloated, ugly, Galaxys may have been built after the DS9 ships were introduced but it dosn't stop the designs from being two separate eras.

      And the Sovereign is no further separated from the Defiant than the Excelsior is from the Conni Refit. Distant, sure, but not enough to say it's a new era.

      DS9 and beautiful never are in the same sentences for me. But that's just me, yo. DS9, to me, was more of the stuff that got hit with an ugly stick. But, as I said, that's just me.

      Sovereign is ugly!? It's the single nicest ship in the franchise. And that's an objective fact.

      Unless you're on about the show not the era then sure, considering it's mostly Cardassian stuff and the Defiant is designed to look odd, then you may have a point.

      Still, nothing can possibly compare to Stupidoverbalancedaccordionneck Mcuglyface (or Excelsior as some people call it). The worst thing to cross the screens of the entire franchise, and possibly of all Sci-Fi starships ever.​​
      22762792376_ac7c992b7c_o.png
      Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
      JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

      #TASforSTO


      '...I can tell you that we're not in the military and that we intend no harm to the whales.' Kirk: The Voyage Home
      'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
      'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
      '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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    • silverlobes#2676 silverlobes Member Posts: 1,953 Arc User
      artan42 wrote: »
      artan42 wrote: »
      angrytarg wrote: »
      artan42 wrote: »
      (...)

      Even the interiors (despite your blatant outright lies) are new. The Intrepid and Nova use similar assets, the Defiant is all new, the Prometheus has the same Bridge set as the Excelsior but new consoles etc. the rest of the interior is the Intrepid, and the Sovereign sets are completely new. All of them are more metallic overall and more compact than the TNG ones (which seem very similar to the TMP interiors for some reason...) even the Sovereign interior is more metallic and grey with smaller corridors than the Galaxy and it's beige and tan colour scheme.

      The DS9 era ships are a completely new family to the TNG era ones even if the names of the eras are completely misleading.

      I said "more or less" - they use the same sets with a few changed consoles and applications, but the computer system essentially is the same, eve the Ent-E has the same LCARS in place - with the exception of having actual screens instead of static images, but that's for out-of-universe reasons. The Sovereign really founds a new design language and is different from the Defiant and others.

      Since the shows more or less run parallel to each other I refuse to define them as different eras. You can lick my hind hooves if you don't like it for all I care pig-24.gif

      Bi-planes were still being produced in WWII, the Hawker Fury even uses the same engine cowling as the Hurricane. Would you say those are aircraft of the same generation, regardless of when they were built? The DC3 was still being built as the first jet planes (the Meteor and Vampire) entered service and yet the jet age is not part of the prop/single wing age.

      The beautiful, sleek, and elegant DS9 era ships may have entered service in TNG and some more of the stupid, bloated, ugly, Galaxys may have been built after the DS9 ships were introduced but it dosn't stop the designs from being two separate eras.

      And the Sovereign is no further separated from the Defiant than the Excelsior is from the Conni Refit. Distant, sure, but not enough to say it's a new era.

      DS9 and beautiful never are in the same sentences for me. But that's just me, yo. DS9, to me, was more of the stuff that got hit with an ugly stick. But, as I said, that's just me.

      Sovereign is ugly!? It's the single nicest ship in the franchise. And that's an objective fact.

      Unless you're on about the show not the era then sure, considering it's mostly Cardassian stuff and the Defiant is designed to look odd, then you may have a point.

      Still, nothing can possibly compare to Stupidoverbalancedaccordionneck Mcuglyface (or Excelsior as some people call it). The worst thing to cross the screens of the entire franchise, and possibly of all Sci-Fi starships ever.​​
      No, it's not an objective fact, it's your opinion (but you're one of those people who thinks that their opinion constitutes fact)

      The Sovereign is one of my favorite canon ships (probably my favorite, if I'm honest) and John Eaves has said in, I believe it was the Making of First Contact book, that he designed the ship with the intent that it (quote) 'looks good from every angle'. (and it does) But that doesn't make it the nicest ship in the franchise, nor an objective fact that it is the nicest ship in the franchise ;)
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    • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,008 Arc User
      Meh. Sovy doesn't have enough round things. Round things are good. And that's a fact.
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    • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,668 Arc User
      artan42 wrote: »
      artan42 wrote: »
      angrytarg wrote: »
      artan42 wrote: »
      (...)

      Even the interiors (despite your blatant outright lies) are new. The Intrepid and Nova use similar assets, the Defiant is all new, the Prometheus has the same Bridge set as the Excelsior but new consoles etc. the rest of the interior is the Intrepid, and the Sovereign sets are completely new. All of them are more metallic overall and more compact than the TNG ones (which seem very similar to the TMP interiors for some reason...) even the Sovereign interior is more metallic and grey with smaller corridors than the Galaxy and it's beige and tan colour scheme.

      The DS9 era ships are a completely new family to the TNG era ones even if the names of the eras are completely misleading.

      I said "more or less" - they use the same sets with a few changed consoles and applications, but the computer system essentially is the same, eve the Ent-E has the same LCARS in place - with the exception of having actual screens instead of static images, but that's for out-of-universe reasons. The Sovereign really founds a new design language and is different from the Defiant and others.

      Since the shows more or less run parallel to each other I refuse to define them as different eras. You can lick my hind hooves if you don't like it for all I care pig-24.gif

      Bi-planes were still being produced in WWII, the Hawker Fury even uses the same engine cowling as the Hurricane. Would you say those are aircraft of the same generation, regardless of when they were built? The DC3 was still being built as the first jet planes (the Meteor and Vampire) entered service and yet the jet age is not part of the prop/single wing age.

      The beautiful, sleek, and elegant DS9 era ships may have entered service in TNG and some more of the stupid, bloated, ugly, Galaxys may have been built after the DS9 ships were introduced but it dosn't stop the designs from being two separate eras.

      And the Sovereign is no further separated from the Defiant than the Excelsior is from the Conni Refit. Distant, sure, but not enough to say it's a new era.

      DS9 and beautiful never are in the same sentences for me. But that's just me, yo. DS9, to me, was more of the stuff that got hit with an ugly stick. But, as I said, that's just me.

      Sovereign is ugly!? It's the single nicest ship in the franchise. And that's an objective fact.

      Unless you're on about the show not the era then sure, considering it's mostly Cardassian stuff and the Defiant is designed to look odd, then you may have a point.

      Still, nothing can possibly compare to Stupidoverbalancedaccordionneck Mcuglyface (or Excelsior as some people call it). The worst thing to cross the screens of the entire franchise, and possibly of all Sci-Fi starships ever.​​

      Nope, it's ugly to me.
      I don't care for Ds9 war story, and it's starfleet designs.

      I personally like the Excelsior, very cute, very nice.
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    • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
      No, it's not an objective fact, it's your opinion (but you're one of those people who thinks that their opinion constitutes fact)

      Step 1: Open Google

      Step 2: Type in 'joke

      Step 3: Bugger off.​​
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      Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
      JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

      #TASforSTO


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      'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
      'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
      '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
      'I'm not a soldier anymore. I'm an engineer.' Miles O'Brien: Empok Nor
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    • silverlobes#2676 silverlobes Member Posts: 1,953 Arc User
      angrytarg wrote: »
      Meh. Sovy doesn't have enough round things. Round things are good. And that's a fact.
      This is true ^_^

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    • silverlobes#2676 silverlobes Member Posts: 1,953 Arc User
      artan42 wrote: »
      No, it's not an objective fact, it's your opinion (but you're one of those people who thinks that their opinion constitutes fact)

      Step 1: Open Google

      Step 2: Type in 'joke

      Step 3: Bugger off.​​
      My a55 you were joking! :D:D But whatever...

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      "I was here before you, I will be here after you are gone. I am here, regardless of your acknowledgement or acceptance..." - The Truth
    • silverlobes#2676 silverlobes Member Posts: 1,953 Arc User
      artan42 wrote: »
      artan42 wrote: »
      angrytarg wrote: »
      artan42 wrote: »
      (...)

      Even the interiors (despite your blatant outright lies) are new. The Intrepid and Nova use similar assets, the Defiant is all new, the Prometheus has the same Bridge set as the Excelsior but new consoles etc. the rest of the interior is the Intrepid, and the Sovereign sets are completely new. All of them are more metallic overall and more compact than the TNG ones (which seem very similar to the TMP interiors for some reason...) even the Sovereign interior is more metallic and grey with smaller corridors than the Galaxy and it's beige and tan colour scheme.

      The DS9 era ships are a completely new family to the TNG era ones even if the names of the eras are completely misleading.

      I said "more or less" - they use the same sets with a few changed consoles and applications, but the computer system essentially is the same, eve the Ent-E has the same LCARS in place - with the exception of having actual screens instead of static images, but that's for out-of-universe reasons. The Sovereign really founds a new design language and is different from the Defiant and others.

      Since the shows more or less run parallel to each other I refuse to define them as different eras. You can lick my hind hooves if you don't like it for all I care pig-24.gif

      Bi-planes were still being produced in WWII, the Hawker Fury even uses the same engine cowling as the Hurricane. Would you say those are aircraft of the same generation, regardless of when they were built? The DC3 was still being built as the first jet planes (the Meteor and Vampire) entered service and yet the jet age is not part of the prop/single wing age.

      The beautiful, sleek, and elegant DS9 era ships may have entered service in TNG and some more of the stupid, bloated, ugly, Galaxys may have been built after the DS9 ships were introduced but it dosn't stop the designs from being two separate eras.

      And the Sovereign is no further separated from the Defiant than the Excelsior is from the Conni Refit. Distant, sure, but not enough to say it's a new era.

      DS9 and beautiful never are in the same sentences for me. But that's just me, yo. DS9, to me, was more of the stuff that got hit with an ugly stick. But, as I said, that's just me.

      Sovereign is ugly!? It's the single nicest ship in the franchise. And that's an objective fact.

      Unless you're on about the show not the era then sure, considering it's mostly Cardassian stuff and the Defiant is designed to look odd, then you may have a point.

      Still, nothing can possibly compare to Stupidoverbalancedaccordionneck Mcuglyface (or Excelsior as some people call it). The worst thing to cross the screens of the entire franchise, and possibly of all Sci-Fi starships ever.​​

      Nope, it's ugly to me.
      I don't care for Ds9 war story, and it's starfleet designs.

      I personally like the Excelsior, very cute, very nice.
      I also really like the design of the Excelsior, although if I had to choose, I prefer the Enterprise-B variant over the original Excelsior :sunglasses:

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    • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
      artan42 wrote: »
      No, it's not an objective fact, it's your opinion (but you're one of those people who thinks that their opinion constitutes fact)

      Step 1: Open Google

      Step 2: Type in 'joke

      Step 3: Bugger off.
      My a55 you were joking! :D:D But whatever...

      You managed steps 1 and 2 but 3 was too difficult?​​
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      Norway and Yeager dammit... I still want my Typhoon and Jupiter though.
      JJ Trek The Kelvin Timeline is just Trek and it's fully canon... get over it. But I still prefer TAR.

      #TASforSTO


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      'Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.' Picard: Peak Performance
      'This is clearly a military operation. Is that what we are now? Because I thought we were explorers!' Scotty: Into Darkness
      '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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    • smokebaileysmokebailey Member Posts: 4,668 Arc User
      artan42 wrote: »
      artan42 wrote: »
      angrytarg wrote: »
      artan42 wrote: »
      (...)

      Even the interiors (despite your blatant outright lies) are new. The Intrepid and Nova use similar assets, the Defiant is all new, the Prometheus has the same Bridge set as the Excelsior but new consoles etc. the rest of the interior is the Intrepid, and the Sovereign sets are completely new. All of them are more metallic overall and more compact than the TNG ones (which seem very similar to the TMP interiors for some reason...) even the Sovereign interior is more metallic and grey with smaller corridors than the Galaxy and it's beige and tan colour scheme.

      The DS9 era ships are a completely new family to the TNG era ones even if the names of the eras are completely misleading.

      I said "more or less" - they use the same sets with a few changed consoles and applications, but the computer system essentially is the same, eve the Ent-E has the same LCARS in place - with the exception of having actual screens instead of static images, but that's for out-of-universe reasons. The Sovereign really founds a new design language and is different from the Defiant and others.

      Since the shows more or less run parallel to each other I refuse to define them as different eras. You can lick my hind hooves if you don't like it for all I care pig-24.gif

      Bi-planes were still being produced in WWII, the Hawker Fury even uses the same engine cowling as the Hurricane. Would you say those are aircraft of the same generation, regardless of when they were built? The DC3 was still being built as the first jet planes (the Meteor and Vampire) entered service and yet the jet age is not part of the prop/single wing age.

      The beautiful, sleek, and elegant DS9 era ships may have entered service in TNG and some more of the stupid, bloated, ugly, Galaxys may have been built after the DS9 ships were introduced but it dosn't stop the designs from being two separate eras.

      And the Sovereign is no further separated from the Defiant than the Excelsior is from the Conni Refit. Distant, sure, but not enough to say it's a new era.

      DS9 and beautiful never are in the same sentences for me. But that's just me, yo. DS9, to me, was more of the stuff that got hit with an ugly stick. But, as I said, that's just me.

      Sovereign is ugly!? It's the single nicest ship in the franchise. And that's an objective fact.

      Unless you're on about the show not the era then sure, considering it's mostly Cardassian stuff and the Defiant is designed to look odd, then you may have a point.

      Still, nothing can possibly compare to Stupidoverbalancedaccordionneck Mcuglyface (or Excelsior as some people call it). The worst thing to cross the screens of the entire franchise, and possibly of all Sci-Fi starships ever.​​

      Nope, it's ugly to me.
      I don't care for Ds9 war story, and it's starfleet designs.

      I personally like the Excelsior, very cute, very nice.
      I also really like the design of the Excelsior, although if I had to choose, I prefer the Enterprise-B variant over the original Excelsior :sunglasses:

      I prefer the original....the B is too clunky.
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    • theraven2378theraven2378 Member Posts: 6,015 Arc User
      artan42 wrote: »
      artan42 wrote: »
      angrytarg wrote: »
      artan42 wrote: »
      (...)

      Even the interiors (despite your blatant outright lies) are new. The Intrepid and Nova use similar assets, the Defiant is all new, the Prometheus has the same Bridge set as the Excelsior but new consoles etc. the rest of the interior is the Intrepid, and the Sovereign sets are completely new. All of them are more metallic overall and more compact than the TNG ones (which seem very similar to the TMP interiors for some reason...) even the Sovereign interior is more metallic and grey with smaller corridors than the Galaxy and it's beige and tan colour scheme.

      The DS9 era ships are a completely new family to the TNG era ones even if the names of the eras are completely misleading.

      I said "more or less" - they use the same sets with a few changed consoles and applications, but the computer system essentially is the same, eve the Ent-E has the same LCARS in place - with the exception of having actual screens instead of static images, but that's for out-of-universe reasons. The Sovereign really founds a new design language and is different from the Defiant and others.

      Since the shows more or less run parallel to each other I refuse to define them as different eras. You can lick my hind hooves if you don't like it for all I care pig-24.gif

      Bi-planes were still being produced in WWII, the Hawker Fury even uses the same engine cowling as the Hurricane. Would you say those are aircraft of the same generation, regardless of when they were built? The DC3 was still being built as the first jet planes (the Meteor and Vampire) entered service and yet the jet age is not part of the prop/single wing age.

      The beautiful, sleek, and elegant DS9 era ships may have entered service in TNG and some more of the stupid, bloated, ugly, Galaxys may have been built after the DS9 ships were introduced but it dosn't stop the designs from being two separate eras.

      And the Sovereign is no further separated from the Defiant than the Excelsior is from the Conni Refit. Distant, sure, but not enough to say it's a new era.

      DS9 and beautiful never are in the same sentences for me. But that's just me, yo. DS9, to me, was more of the stuff that got hit with an ugly stick. But, as I said, that's just me.

      Sovereign is ugly!? It's the single nicest ship in the franchise. And that's an objective fact.

      Unless you're on about the show not the era then sure, considering it's mostly Cardassian stuff and the Defiant is designed to look odd, then you may have a point.

      Still, nothing can possibly compare to Stupidoverbalancedaccordionneck Mcuglyface (or Excelsior as some people call it). The worst thing to cross the screens of the entire franchise, and possibly of all Sci-Fi starships ever.​​

      Nope, it's ugly to me.
      I don't care for Ds9 war story, and it's starfleet designs.

      I personally like the Excelsior, very cute, very nice.
      I also really like the design of the Excelsior, although if I had to choose, I prefer the Enterprise-B variant over the original Excelsior :sunglasses:

      I do like the Enterprise B myself, very simple and elegant
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