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  • tilartatilarta Member Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    So Core Assault is the PvP queue then?
    The one I should be avoiding?

    Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
    Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad :'(
  • ambassadorkael#6946 ambassadorkael Member, Administrator Posts: 2,679 Community Manager
    That one does have a bit of PVP at the end, for those who want to dip their toes in. If you want to avoid any and all PVP forever, then yes, that's the one to skip.
  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,251 Arc User
    edited May 2017
    Any chance of a balance pass for the Modulating Competition Mine which is doing noticeable less damage then basic mines making it rather useless?

    Quantum Mine base damage = 8056 damage x4 mines dropped = 32,224 or with beta3 that’s x14 = 112,784
    Competition Mine base damage = 5639 damage x4 = 22,556 or with beta 3 that’s x14= 78,946

    Average damage so far for me per mine
    Quantum Mine = 4,747
    Competition Mine = 3,606

    Both the Modulating Competition Mine and Tethered quantum mine need a balance pass. The Tethered mine drops half as many mines as normal so even with the extra hits you do around about half the damage output and the Modulating Competition Mine should have the same base damage as other quantum mines.

    The main point to quantum mines is to do damage so why use a Modulating Competition Mine when it lowers damage over basic quantum mines?
  • tilartatilarta Member Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    I was informed that Binary Assault also has PvP at the end.
    If a player intentionally gets assimilated, then they can attack the other players.
    Looks like Twin Tribulations is the only remaining option.

    Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
    Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad :'(
  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,251 Arc User
    tilarta wrote: »
    I was informed that Binary Assault also has PvP at the end.
    If a player intentionally gets assimilated, then they can attack the other players.
    Looks like Twin Tribulations is the only remaining option.

    That's not really PvP. The player turns into a NPC and the AI attacks the players just like any other NPC. The Player has no control as they are dead waiting for the timer.
  • thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,987 Arc User
    "A bit of PvP" LoL.

    Sorry, but the person wanted NO, NONE, NOT AT ALL PvP.

    So to be precise, ALL competitive wargames ques released REQUIRE PvP.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    Try Binary Assault. No PVP, just a race to complete the Mission before the other Team.
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
    Judge Dan Haywood
    'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
    Lt. Philip J. Minns
  • tilartatilarta Member Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    I haven't tried Binary Assault yet.
    But as I found Twin Tribulations boring, I may try it tomorrow and see if it provides a better alternative.

    I am starting to wonder about the queue numbers though.
    While I was waiting for the queue to launch, I watched the population numbers of the queues.

    Binary Assault had the least amount of players.
    Core Assault was in the middle.
    Twin Tribulations was the highest.
    But even being highest wasn't enough to launch the queue.

    Sometimes I do wonder if players aren't flexible enough to move to another queue if the one they want isn't launching.
    For example, if the Core Assault players had moved to the Twin Tribulations queue, we could have all gone and gotten our daily prize.
    But they just stayed in a queue that wasn't launching.

    Or is it just that this Reputation isn't very popular, regardless of whichever queue it is, so there just aren't enough players interested in playing it?

    Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
    Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad :'(
  • thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,987 Arc User
    Here's the problem;

    A non PvP method of earning the marks will cause the few people who are actually bothering with this Rep to bail on the competitive ques.

    This will deprive the PvPr's of their easy kills making them have to play against other PvPr's, which is how it should be instead of forcing PvEr's to PvP.

    I'm unsure how they can fix this as I'm unsure why they did it in the first place.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    Most are in Binary Assault in Elite.
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
    Judge Dan Haywood
    'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
    Lt. Philip J. Minns
  • thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,987 Arc User
    Isn't Binary Assault more "Ground Trek" than "Star Trek?"
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    Isn't Binary Assault more "Ground Trek" than "Star Trek?"
    How would you tell the difference?
    -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
    My character Tsin'xing
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  • tilartatilarta Member Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    Ah, so I'm just picking the wrong difficulty then?
    I'm going for Advanced just to pick up the Assessed Stratagem token.
    Not sure Elite is a good idea, it might make the task unreasonably harder.

    Aren't Binary Assault and Twin Tribulations both counted as non-PvP methods of earning the marks?
    I'm uncertain if there are other queues to earn the Competitive Marks from, like a Choice of Marks queue awarding them.

    In any case, as I've said before, the Assessed Stratagem token only comes from the Competitive Advanced queues, so there's not much point doing another queue, because without the tokens, no Rep gear can be requisitioned.

    I actually prefer ground based battles to space battles.
    But I always put that down to the fact that all of my prior mmos only had ground based combat.
    STO was the first one I played where spaceship based gameplay is incorporated.

    Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
    Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad :'(
  • thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,987 Arc User
    Isn't Binary Assault more "Ground Trek" than "Star Trek?"
    How would you tell the difference?

    Ground Trek is ground based.

    I'm sure if the show or this game was named Ground Trek few would bother.

    People tuned in for the Space, every other TV show has ground.
  • tilartatilarta Member Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    I am wondering if these queues are populated by the obsessive winner players.
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    And yesterday, someone was making an impolite statement because the button wasn't being pushed.
    Truthfully, I don't care about winning or losing here, I get my prizes either way.


    The show was never about the ships anyway.
    Yes, you got some fancy space battles, but they weren't the focus.
    Pick any episode at random, it's either all inside the ship/space station or an away mission.
    Because that's where the acting cast is.

    I don't think there has ever been an episode where the action takes place completely in space and we never see the ground segments.
    A metaphor, it's like making a show about the car or bus that is taken to work, but not showing what happens during the workday.
    Can you imagine watching an entire episode of the Enterprise or Voyager just orbiting a planet all episode and not seeing what is happening inside?

    Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
    Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad :'(
  • thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,987 Arc User
    edited May 2017
    If they ever are smart enough to make a show that's basically just ships in space that show will never go off the air. The reason we got all the ground Trek is because of lack of funding for special effects.

    A metaphor, you have a show about birds and all they show is the birds walking around on the beach no flight that would be a pretty boring show and not what people were tuning in for.
  • mikoto8472mikoto8472 Member Posts: 607 Arc User

    Pssst. You don't have to play PVP to get these marks. You can play Binary Circuit and Twin Tribulations and never fight another player. :)

    You know, having one of STO's staff communicate with me is a rare and special occasion. So I think I'll give those two a try despite the competitive aspect. There's no harm in trying it out, get enough marks to get the reputation to T1. See how it goes. Thank you for encouraging me to at least try it out.
  • thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,987 Arc User
    Now competitive marks will be available in Ques that give multiple Mark options so you don't have to PVP anymore.
  • pottsey5gpottsey5g Member Posts: 4,251 Arc User
    Now competitive marks will be available in Ques that give multiple Mark options so you don't have to PVP anymore.
    Even though I do the competitive runs daily I have not shot at or had any other player shoot me in over a week. These hardly feel like PVP to me.
  • ltminnsltminns Member Posts: 12,572 Arc User
    You're not getting Strategums from these other Queues, so leveling up this Reputation will unlock the Active and Passives but you won't be able to buy much in the way of equipment.
    'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
    Judge Dan Haywood
    'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
    l don't know.
    l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
    That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
    Lt. Philip J. Minns
  • azyurionazyurion Member Posts: 168 Arc User
    [STO-PC] The Competitive Wargames Reputation - Ambassador Kael

    This Rep line has turned out to be a big, fat, dud for me. Maybe it's the way the three missions are designed, or, maybe it's the atrocious new Queue menu, but launching these missions is "Hit or Miss" outside of peak population periods. Then there's the whole PvP "Lite" thing going on (with a couple of the published missions)...so passive-aggressive in the way it still leads baby seals to the slaughter...:) Meh.
  • tilartatilarta Member Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    I have started working on the Reputation with one character, just to see the ground costume options and to unlock sponsorship should I decide to do this Reputation again for any of my other characters.

    I started looking at the consumables and thought, finally, some interesting devices.
    Then it was explained that these devices only work on Competitive maps, making them pointless for regular gameplay.
    From useful to useless in 10 seconds.



    @thlaylierah
    Star Trek with no ground
    I was curious as to what the forumites thought, so asked the question.

    Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
    Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad :'(
  • thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,987 Arc User
    ltminns wrote: »
    You're not getting Strategums from these other Queues, so leveling up this Reputation will unlock the Active and Passives but you won't be able to buy much in the way of equipment.

    Is there any actual must-have equipment in this reputation?

    I have quite a few of the stratagems already and was curious.
  • tilartatilarta Member Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    The ground set?
    Only reason I am doing it is to get the costume unlocks though.
    I don't really plan to use it in gameplay.

    But if space gear is what is desired, the secondary deflectors might be of use.

    Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
    Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad :'(
  • thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,987 Arc User
    If the space Shields have a special appearance to them I'll probably get those.

    Anybody got those yet?
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