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Real Purpose of Rebalance

huijianhuijian Member Posts: 108 Arc User
edited March 2017 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
What is the real purpose of the upcoming balancing changes?
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Real Purpose of Rebalance 89 votes

A genuine desire to improve engineer & science captains
46% 41 votes
A crusade to limit the amount of DPS a player can achieve without purchasing large quantities of zen
35% 32 votes
To punish tac players because engineer & science classes were not originally designed to be dps classes
17% 16 votes
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  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 6,054 Arc User
    I am not doing this one.
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  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    The poll options you give are too limited. In my opinion the adjustments are only being made to:

    a) Close the wide performance gap in the playerbase a little in order to be able to maintain only 2-3 difficulty settings (less work).

    b) Open new ways to generate revenue associated a with new gear/ability meta (more $).

    c) Conceal a general helplessness to run a videogame filled with 90% scrubs.
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  • huijianhuijian Member Posts: 108 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    peterconnorfirst wrote: »
    The poll options you give are too limited. In my opinion the adjustments are only being made to:

    a) Close the wide performance gap in the playerbase a little in order to maintain only 2-3 difficulty settings (less work).

    b) To open new ways to generate revenue associated a with new gear/ability meta (more $).

    performance gap is not because of overpowered skills; its result of overpowered consoles/mastery traits from lobi store & the limitless stacking of damage bonus' & other stats.
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  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    huijian wrote: »
    performance gap is not because of overpowered skills, its result of overpowered consoles & mastery traits from lobi store.

    As a fun fact expensive lobi consoles have been outdone by cheap fleet consoles for years now. It’s the majority of this game’s players who are not happy with that and basically ask for the good stuff to be hard to get again.

    I would also not dismiss the talent and experince of different players. ;)

    Take me, I have the same stuff as Felisean. Yet he does 3 times as much DPS than i do. Life is either unfair or he is just more experienced.
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  • huijianhuijian Member Posts: 108 Arc User
    peterconnorfirst wrote: »
    As a fun fact expensive lobi consoles have been outdone by cheap fleet consoles for years now.

    So are you now suggesting that players are getting too much dps from non-cash items such as fleet consoles?
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,505 Arc User
    The usual unbalanced poll so I'll go with "none of the above"
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    huijian wrote: »
    peterconnorfirst wrote: »
    As a fun fact expensive lobi consoles have been outdone by cheap fleet consoles for years now.

    So are you now suggesting that players are getting too much dps from non-cash items such as fleet consoles?

    Fleet embassy consoles? Cheap DPS for everybody! Other stuff like feedback pulse and timeline stabilizer to shorten captain's CD times were even completely free form event ships.

    I do not know what will become of them or with what they are going to be replaced. I only know the consoles from the last two holdings where not as good but the next lock box always seems to be around just the next corner.
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  • huijianhuijian Member Posts: 108 Arc User
    peterconnorfirst wrote: »
    huijian wrote: »
    peterconnorfirst wrote: »
    As a fun fact expensive lobi consoles have been outdone by cheap fleet consoles for years now.

    So are you now suggesting that players are getting too much dps from non-cash items such as fleet consoles?

    Fleet embassy consoles? Cheap DPS for everybody! Other stuff like feedback pulse and timeline stabilizer to shorten captain's CD times were even completely free form event ships.

    why do you feel that is a bad thing?
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  • tarran61tarran61 Member Posts: 827 Arc User
    My Lobi consoles should always outdo free consoles, free consoles being fleet consoles.
    Positive thoughts.
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  • peterconnorfirstpeterconnorfirst Member Posts: 6,225 Arc User
    huijian wrote: »
    peterconnorfirst wrote: »
    huijian wrote: »
    peterconnorfirst wrote: »
    As a fun fact expensive lobi consoles have been outdone by cheap fleet consoles for years now.

    So are you now suggesting that players are getting too much dps from non-cash items such as fleet consoles?

    Fleet embassy consoles? Cheap DPS for everybody! Other stuff like feedback pulse and timeline stabilizer to shorten captain's CD times were even completely free form event ships.

    why do you feel that is a bad thing?

    This is a good question. I can’t give you an honest answer and need to think about it. The change will undoubtable bring more variety but it also opens the door to business practices you criticize with your vote options. :)
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  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    huijian wrote: »
    So are you now suggesting that players are getting too much dps from non-cash items such as fleet consoles?

    If he's not I sure as heck am. Plasma exploders. Not a myth.

  • starcruiser#3423 starcruiser
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    Watch out this could be locked down. PWE might not be fond of constructive criticism or opposing
    opinions...

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  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot
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    The Salt must FLOW!
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  • solarwraithsolarwraith Member Posts: 191 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    Pave the way for T7 ships, which will have bonuses that negate the nerfs. $$$
  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,693 Arc User
    [ x ] to drive sales of tinfoil
  • nikephorusnikephorus Member Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    Not a very comprehensive list of options to chose from. I'm of the opinion that Cryptic is trying to nerf a few things just a little bit so that they can introduce more power creep in the future. Why do I think this? Because they have done it in the past and that's the model this game is built on. As for the minor buffs or attempted buffs I'm skeptical of them. Hangar pets have been messed with several times and they are still unresponsive to commands and some are mostly useless, particularly those with cannons since they fly around randomly hardly ever pointing their bow at the enemy. Beam overload has also been tinkered with and the playerbase at large has ignored the power, at least in PvE. Single target powers will always find themselves off peoples bars because the game is largely dealing with groups of low hit point trash mobs and AOE is better at dealing with these type of enemy groups.
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  • nikephorusnikephorus Member Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    tremere12 wrote: »
    The first vote option seems to be the most sensible. I genuinely believe they are trying to make a better game by balancing everything, so that no build choice feels wrong. Tanking and healing was fun and useful in pre-DR days, and if they can bring that back instead of moar "dps dps dps", then I'm for it. The upcoming balance changes are imho not perfect, but neither does it have to be in such a complex game. The overal direction the changes are going towards is nonetheless good enough for me. Perfect balance doesn't exist, but sensible balance does.

    (Smart) nerfing is a necessary evil for balance, especially if something is so ridiculously overpowered and broken that everyone is going to use that particular thing, and then the gameplay diversity is ruined all to hell (unless you're a roleplayer who doesn't care about effectiveness, but not all of us are). When you nerf something you always going to have angry whiners, but I hope the devs can see past that, and do what is right. Most other normal/healthy MMO's have regular tune ups (and that include nerfing), and it was about bloody time that happened to STO as well.

    When was tanking and/or healing useful in pre-DR? I have been playing this game for over four years and I can't remember a time after STO went free-to-play that either were needed or that useful in PvE (PvP is a different story). Most people could take care of themselves even in the early days of the game.

    As for diversity there isn't usually much of that in MMO's, with some exceptions of course. Generally, a large % of the playerbase learn towards what's most effective. If Cryptic nerfed FaW into the ground the high dpser crowd would simply find the next most efficient killing ability and move on to that.
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  • scrooge69scrooge69 Member Posts: 1,108 Arc User
    @huijian what a stupid poll
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  • tremere12tremere12 Member Posts: 477 Arc User
    nikephorus wrote: »
    tremere12 wrote: »
    The first vote option seems to be the most sensible. I genuinely believe they are trying to make a better game by balancing everything, so that no build choice feels wrong. Tanking and healing was fun and useful in pre-DR days, and if they can bring that back instead of moar "dps dps dps", then I'm for it. The upcoming balance changes are imho not perfect, but neither does it have to be in such a complex game. The overal direction the changes are going towards is nonetheless good enough for me. Perfect balance doesn't exist, but sensible balance does.

    (Smart) nerfing is a necessary evil for balance, especially if something is so ridiculously overpowered and broken that everyone is going to use that particular thing, and then the gameplay diversity is ruined all to hell (unless you're a roleplayer who doesn't care about effectiveness, but not all of us are). When you nerf something you always going to have angry whiners, but I hope the devs can see past that, and do what is right. Most other normal/healthy MMO's have regular tune ups (and that include nerfing), and it was about bloody time that happened to STO as well.

    When was tanking and/or healing useful in pre-DR? I have been playing this game for over four years and I can't remember a time after STO went free-to-play that either were needed or that useful in PvE (PvP is a different story). Most people could take care of themselves even in the early days of the game.

    As for diversity there isn't usually much of that in MMO's, with some exceptions of course. Generally, a large % of the playerbase learn towards what's most effective. If Cryptic nerfed FaW into the ground the high dpser crowd would simply find the next most efficient killing ability and move on to that.

    I was going to answer that in-depth for you, but I think the forum is broken, and my post got auto-deleted after a few edits. I don't feel like typing it all over again, sorry :/
  • nikephorusnikephorus Member Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    tremere12 wrote: »
    nikephorus wrote: »
    tremere12 wrote: »
    The first vote option seems to be the most sensible. I genuinely believe they are trying to make a better game by balancing everything, so that no build choice feels wrong. Tanking and healing was fun and useful in pre-DR days, and if they can bring that back instead of moar "dps dps dps", then I'm for it. The upcoming balance changes are imho not perfect, but neither does it have to be in such a complex game. The overal direction the changes are going towards is nonetheless good enough for me. Perfect balance doesn't exist, but sensible balance does.

    (Smart) nerfing is a necessary evil for balance, especially if something is so ridiculously overpowered and broken that everyone is going to use that particular thing, and then the gameplay diversity is ruined all to hell (unless you're a roleplayer who doesn't care about effectiveness, but not all of us are). When you nerf something you always going to have angry whiners, but I hope the devs can see past that, and do what is right. Most other normal/healthy MMO's have regular tune ups (and that include nerfing), and it was about bloody time that happened to STO as well.

    When was tanking and/or healing useful in pre-DR? I have been playing this game for over four years and I can't remember a time after STO went free-to-play that either were needed or that useful in PvE (PvP is a different story). Most people could take care of themselves even in the early days of the game.

    As for diversity there isn't usually much of that in MMO's, with some exceptions of course. Generally, a large % of the playerbase learn towards what's most effective. If Cryptic nerfed FaW into the ground the high dpser crowd would simply find the next most efficient killing ability and move on to that.

    I was going to answer that in-depth for you, but I think the forum is broken, and my post got auto-deleted after a few edits. I don't feel like typing it all over again, sorry :/

    I have had that happen to me too when editing a post it gets deleted. I got into the habit of copying my entire post when editing just in case lol. Anyway, no worries I understand not wanting to retype the entire thing. Will just agree to disagree. :)
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  • spacehermitspacehermit Member Posts: 358 Arc User
    If you want the REAL reason, the poll should surely be for devs only, as the rest of us cannot know.
  • rimmarierimmarie Member Posts: 418 Arc User
    starcruiser#3423 wrote: »
    Watch out this could be locked down. PWE might not be fond of constructive criticism or opposing
    opinions...

    your last thread wasn't constructive criticism. It was people screaming OMG NERF!
    nothing constructive. just criticism. That's why it was locked.

    This Poll is more same.
    there are absolutely NO solid details of what the re-balancing entails
    no numbers
    no info on items affected

    and as usual, people start screaming NERF! NERF!
    just look at the 3rd option
    punish TAC players? so all TAC players use BFAW?

    if any class is getting a 'nerf' I would say its SCI. And that isn't even certain
    They are losing a power. But since no one has tested the new power, we can't really say.

    Wait until we have details, then you can make your TAC Officers' Pity Polls
  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,951 Arc User
    OP sounds a bit salty ...
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  • xclusiv11xclusiv11 Member Posts: 28 Arc User
    At this point I don't care if it's a troll thread, console player that got wind of these changes and is beyond pissed...

    Releasing of ships that literally are meta zen ships for FAW builds all the while this was in the works. A massive balance patch like this had to be in the works for months, before it was announced, and yet meta ships were released without an inkling to this.

    It's one thing for PC players that have had many of these meta ships for years but to nerf ships we literally just purchased because of "balancing" the builds is garbage... I highly doubt console players will receive this overly well and the spenders like me will call the BS for what it is, BS...

    plenty of games to play and no need to support either with money or playtime metrics a company that comes of this money hungry...

    If I'm over reacting I have no problem recanting but the optics on this from a console standpoint are appalling
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  • rimmarierimmarie Member Posts: 418 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    xclusiv11 wrote: »
    At this point I don't care if it's a troll thread, console player that got wind of these changes and is beyond pissed...

    Releasing of ships that literally are meta zen ships for FAW builds all the while this was in the works. A massive balance patch like this had to be in the works for months, before it was announced, and yet meta ships were released without an inkling to this.

    You really don't know how silly that statement sounds do you?
    Don't worry, everything in this patch is designed to make the game easier for you whether you realize it now or not

    meta zen ships...lol



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  • rimmarierimmarie Member Posts: 418 Arc User
    edited March 2017
    Double post oops!

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