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"DISCOVERY" Delayed Again...

daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
edited January 2017 in Ten Forward
http://www.comingsoon.net/tv/news/804393-james-frain-cast-as-spocks-father-in-star-trek-discovery

Plus Spock's Father (Sarek) cast.

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  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    Interesting... I wonder how they'll work him into the show.
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  • hawku001xhawku001x Member Posts: 10,758 Arc User
    We keep discovering new things about this show.
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  • admiralnatadmiralnat Member Posts: 22,432 Arc User
    hawku001x wrote: »
    * we keep discovering new things about this show.
    I just had too, sorry 'bout that. :tongue:​​
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  • khan5000khan5000 Member Posts: 3,007 Arc User
    Was hoping they'd focus more on the other founding species...like Andorian but it seems like a solid casting
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  • captainwellscaptainwells Member Posts: 718 Arc User
    Actually given the lengthy gap between Discovery and its nearest television Trek predecessor and another delay; perhaps "focus" isn't their strong suit?
  • lordrezeonlordrezeon Member Posts: 399 Arc User
    Well I think in hindsight it is pretty obvious they rushed to announce this show to take advantage of the 50th anniversary without having any plans lined up. From what I've seen in the past, shows generally take over a year to get up and running.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    khan5000 wrote: »
    Was hoping they'd focus more on the other founding species...like Andorian but it seems like a solid casting

    We know exactly nothing at this point, but I would suspect they do not use this opportunity at all. Instead, main plot driving forces will all be something we already know (Klingon/Fed war, Sarek) and they find something completely unknown and unmentioned in all of Trek history that threatens the universe and is never mentioned again.​​
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  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited January 2017
    angrytarg wrote: »
    and they find something completely unknown and unmentioned in all of Trek history that threatens the universe and is never mentioned again.​​

    To be fair, how often does the American Civil War come up in casual conversation today?
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  • hawku001xhawku001x Member Posts: 10,758 Arc User
    admiralnat wrote: »
    hawku001x wrote: »
    * we keep discovering new things about this show.
    I just had too, sorry 'bout that. :tongue:​​

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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    psycoticvulcan wrote: »
    To be fair, how often does the American Civil War come up in casual conversation today?

    That probably depends where you ask. In some backwater US state it's probably a daily topic, somewhere in Europe not so much. My point however was that event sof that scale like ENT did with the Xindi would have been mentioned in appropriate circumstances in "the future" but (naturally) weren't. What I'ms aying is that we see prequels being made again and again without having a real clue how to make a prequel - if Discovery is set ten years before TOS, but decides to show us something not related to any of it - why make it a prequel in the first place? Discovery could show us more unknown things about elements we already now - early Federation history, Tellarites and so on. That would halfway make sense in prequel form.​​
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    angrytarg wrote: »
    My point however was that event sof that scale like ENT did with the Xindi would have been mentioned in appropriate circumstances in "the future" but (naturally) weren't. What I'ms aying is that we see prequels being made again and again without having a real clue how to make a prequel - if Discovery is set ten years before TOS, but decides to show us something not related to any of it - why make it a prequel in the first place? Discovery could show us more unknown things about elements we already now - early Federation history, Tellarites and so on. That would halfway make sense in prequel form.​​

    That's because they hadn't become part of the past yet. Maybe. If the origins of the Temporal Cold war start after NEM (which they seem to) then the war will have started in reaction to a past that we've seen (TOS-NEM), a past without the Sphere Builders and Xindi, until they were then made part of the past by the Temporal Cold War.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    edited January 2017
    artan42 wrote: »
    That's because they hadn't become part of the past yet. Maybe. If the origins of the Temporal Cold war start after NEM (which they seem to) then the war will have started in reaction to a past that we've seen (TOS-NEM), a past without the Sphere Builders and Xindi, until they were then made part of the past by the Temporal Cold War.

    Pretty much my favoured headcanon (setting ENT in it's own timeline), but I'm afraid it doesn't work that way. At least nothing in ENT suggested that, the IP pretty much treated it as a succesful retcon.​​
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    angrytarg wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    That's because they hadn't become part of the past yet. Maybe. If the origins of the Temporal Cold war start after NEM (which they seem to) then the war will have started in reaction to a past that we've seen (TOS-NEM), a past without the Sphere Builders and Xindi, until they were then made part of the past by the Temporal Cold War.

    Pretty much my favoured headcanon (setting ENT in it's own timeline), but I'm afraid it doesn't work that way. At least nothing in ENT suggested that, the IP pretty much treated it as a succesful retcon.​​

    Well it could go either way but I don't think Daniels specified that the Xindi were important to the creation of the Federation, at least not as important as they were in the show. Daniels spent a lot of time just stating the Future to Archer in ways that didn't seem to involve a lot of the Xindi, Sphere Builders, or non-Romulan subplots.
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  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    Well it could go either way but I don't think Daniels specified that the Xindi were important to the creation of the Federation, at least not as important as they were in the show. Daniels spent a lot of time just stating the Future to Archer in ways that didn't seem to involve a lot of the Xindi, Sphere Builders, or non-Romulan subplots.

    Since I really dislike the whole arc and think it kinda makes little sense to begin with, I will stay with the new timeline. It's always a bit lame when you watch all those epic stories happening but ultimately know nothing of this really matters in the grand scheme of things. It's a bit like a multinational, resourceful agency defending earth from certain doom for a numbe rof times, but everyone keeps talking about that one event that wasn't even that grim in comparison because those guys had the flashier costumes...​​
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    angrytarg wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    Well it could go either way but I don't think Daniels specified that the Xindi were important to the creation of the Federation, at least not as important as they were in the show. Daniels spent a lot of time just stating the Future to Archer in ways that didn't seem to involve a lot of the Xindi, Sphere Builders, or non-Romulan subplots.

    Since I really dislike the whole arc and think it kinda makes little sense to begin with, I will stay with the new timeline. It's always a bit lame when you watch all those epic stories happening but ultimately know nothing of this really matters in the grand scheme of things. It's a bit like a multinational, resourceful agency defending earth from certain doom for a numbe rof times, but everyone keeps talking about that one event that wasn't even that grim in comparison because those guys had the flashier costumes...​​

    I'm still very impressed that one of the main characters of Rogue One was from a 8 year old cartoon series.

    But still, it's the price you pay for build a universe as opposed to a stand alone film. Every writer you hire wants to tell their own story in the setting creating innumerable cockups along the way.
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    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,390 Arc User
    artan42 wrote: »
    angrytarg wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    Well it could go either way but I don't think Daniels specified that the Xindi were important to the creation of the Federation, at least not as important as they were in the show. Daniels spent a lot of time just stating the Future to Archer in ways that didn't seem to involve a lot of the Xindi, Sphere Builders, or non-Romulan subplots.

    Since I really dislike the whole arc and think it kinda makes little sense to begin with, I will stay with the new timeline. It's always a bit lame when you watch all those epic stories happening but ultimately know nothing of this really matters in the grand scheme of things. It's a bit like a multinational, resourceful agency defending earth from certain doom for a numbe rof times, but everyone keeps talking about that one event that wasn't even that grim in comparison because those guys had the flashier costumes...​​

    I'm still very impressed that one of the main characters of Rogue One was from a 8 year old cartoon series.
    Who? Gerrera?
    I wouldn't really consider him a main character in Rogue One.
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  • artan42artan42 Member Posts: 10,450 Bug Hunter
    saurializard wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    angrytarg wrote: »
    artan42 wrote: »
    Well it could go either way but I don't think Daniels specified that the Xindi were important to the creation of the Federation, at least not as important as they were in the show. Daniels spent a lot of time just stating the Future to Archer in ways that didn't seem to involve a lot of the Xindi, Sphere Builders, or non-Romulan subplots.

    Since I really dislike the whole arc and think it kinda makes little sense to begin with, I will stay with the new timeline. It's always a bit lame when you watch all those epic stories happening but ultimately know nothing of this really matters in the grand scheme of things. It's a bit like a multinational, resourceful agency defending earth from certain doom for a numbe rof times, but everyone keeps talking about that one event that wasn't even that grim in comparison because those guys had the flashier costumes...​​

    I'm still very impressed that one of the main characters of Rogue One was from a 8 year old cartoon series.
    Who? Gerrera?
    I wouldn't really consider him a main character in Rogue One.

    His name's said more times than any other character and he's the driving force for the events in the first half of the film. He also all over the posters and publicly material.
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    '...The Federation. Starfleet. We're not a military agency.' Scotty: Beyond
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  • evilmark444evilmark444 Member Posts: 6,950 Arc User
    psycoticvulcan wrote: »
    angrytarg wrote: »
    and they find something completely unknown and unmentioned in all of Trek history that threatens the universe and is never mentioned again.​​

    To be fair, how often does the American Civil War come up in casual conversation today?

    I see the confederate flag on a daily basis either in front of a house or attached to a pickup truck
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    Since the Trek Universe is a 50 year, ever-expanding, artistic creation, I'm more than willing to forgive the fact that They introduce new "old" incidents with each iteration that comes along, that we've probably never heard mentioned before.

    And they are supposedly using a basic premise for "DISCOVERY" that comes from something at least mentioned in TOS.

    They also do kinda-sorta EVENTUALLY retcon stuff in along the line, just look at all the stuff from "ENTERPRISE" used in "BEYOND"
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