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How about a mission that brings back Moriarty

bwleon7bwleon7 Member Posts: 310 Arc User
With us having all of these holographic Boffs now, It seems like a good time to see what one of the more dangerous holograms has been up too. Might even make for a great story for "The Doctor" to be a part of and have it deal with the morality of holographic rights when it's a hologram that is dangerous.



"René Echevarria, Ronald D. Moore and Brannon Braga were very eager to bring the Moriarty hologram back in a seventh season episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Though Echevarria later forgot what happened to Moriarty in the proposed story pitch, he reckoned the character would likely have realized he had been duped, thereafter managing to escape from the memory module and yet again threaten the Enterprise-D."

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/James_Moriarty_(hologram)

Dr. Miranda Jones: I understand, Mr. Spock. The glory of creation is in its infinite diversity.
Mr. Spock: And the ways our differences combine, to create meaning and beauty.

-Star Trek: Is There in Truth No Beauty? (1968)

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  • bwleon7bwleon7 Member Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited December 2016
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    Dr. Miranda Jones: I understand, Mr. Spock. The glory of creation is in its infinite diversity.
    Mr. Spock: And the ways our differences combine, to create meaning and beauty.

    -Star Trek: Is There in Truth No Beauty? (1968)
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,602 Arc User
    Actually, whether Moriarty could appear or not more depends on if the memory module actually survived the Veridian Incident or not. If it was on the Stardrive, then it's atoms.
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    I dunno. I liked both of the TNG episodes with Moriarty. I cannot recall the actor's name, but he did a wonderful job. I'd like to see Moriarty appear in the game somehow. However, I am unsure the Dev team could do such a character properly. They've done decent jobs with the guest appearances they've done so far. But I have to admit I would expect far more from such a complex and brilliantly evil character.
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  • maxwilsonmaxwilson Member Posts: 61 Arc User
    That little holo-laptop that Moriarty is stored in was probably destroyed when the Enterprise-D went down on Veridian III.
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  • bwleon7bwleon7 Member Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited December 2016
    Looked on memory beta and it did survive in the STO universe.

    "In 2393, the Soong Foundation learned of Moriarty's existence. The foundation sued to take custody of the holographic program while Starfleet attorneys argued the security issues of doing so. Alyssa Cogley-Shaw compared Starfleet to the Obsidian Order as it was "imprisonment without a trial." (ST website: The Path to 2409)"

    Dr. Miranda Jones: I understand, Mr. Spock. The glory of creation is in its infinite diversity.
    Mr. Spock: And the ways our differences combine, to create meaning and beauty.

    -Star Trek: Is There in Truth No Beauty? (1968)
  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,602 Arc User
    bwleon7 wrote: »
    Looked on memory beta and it did survive in the STO universe.

    "In 2393, the Soong Foundation learned of Moriarty's existence. The foundation sued to take custody of the holographic program while Starfleet attorneys argued the security issues of doing so. Alyssa Cogley-Shaw compared Starfleet to the Obsidian Order as it was "imprisonment without a trial." (ST website: The Path to 2409)"

    This actually then would depend on whether Moriarty's programs hadn't naturally terminated due to old age. There's nothing to say that his programming didn't include 'natural aging'. I'm going to have to watch the episode, as I'm sure reference was made to him living out his life exploring. Then again, if he was still alive, just imagine his fury at being tricked. It will not end well, given his created hyper-intelligence.
    "You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
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  • bwleon7bwleon7 Member Posts: 310 Arc User
    azrael605 wrote: »
    Alyssa Cogley- Shaw? So the attorneys on Kirk's court martial got together? Seems strange.

    That was Areel Shaw.
    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Areel_Shaw

    My guess that Alyssa is a descendant of Areel
    http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Alyssa_Cogley-Shaw
    Dr. Miranda Jones: I understand, Mr. Spock. The glory of creation is in its infinite diversity.
    Mr. Spock: And the ways our differences combine, to create meaning and beauty.

    -Star Trek: Is There in Truth No Beauty? (1968)
  • meimeitoomeimeitoo Member Posts: 12,594 Arc User
    edited December 2016
    What made the Moriarty episode so enjoyable was the clever twist of already being on a holodeck. And that he got to spend the remainder of his life on a (mini) holodeck too. I don't think that sort of twist can be so easily recreated in STO (at least not without becoming a lame repeat).
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  • bwleon7bwleon7 Member Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited December 2016
    I think it could work and they could "borrow" elements from a couple different Star Trek themes. Maybe a mission where the Soong Foundation successfully argues for his release. They are taking him back to Earth or to some planet to talk and he plays along for awhile but then he is able to take over the ship. He creates a bunch of other holographic beings to help him run the ship and they make a run for it and keeps the crew and Soong Foundation members as hostages. Our captain's help is requested to get the ship back and we are taking "The Doctor" along to serve as a negotiator.

    Basically it's a retelling of Star Trek: Wrath of Khan, with Moriarty angry that he was impressed and is now back to get revenge.

    While the mission would have some fighting it would more be about holographic rights, do we see him as a living being and also trying to out think him tactically because we can't just blow up the ship.
    Dr. Miranda Jones: I understand, Mr. Spock. The glory of creation is in its infinite diversity.
    Mr. Spock: And the ways our differences combine, to create meaning and beauty.

    -Star Trek: Is There in Truth No Beauty? (1968)
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  • bwleon7bwleon7 Member Posts: 310 Arc User
    I see what you are saying but she recommended him to Kirk as a defense attorney and seemed to know him pretty well. They do have a pretty big age difference between them so there is that
    Dr. Miranda Jones: I understand, Mr. Spock. The glory of creation is in its infinite diversity.
    Mr. Spock: And the ways our differences combine, to create meaning and beauty.

    -Star Trek: Is There in Truth No Beauty? (1968)
  • rancidmojo#7824 rancidmojo Member Posts: 105 Arc User
    bwleon7 wrote: »
    With us having all of these holographic Boffs now, It seems like a good time to see what one of the more dangerous holograms has been up too. Might even make for a great story for "The Doctor" to be a part of and have it deal with the morality of holographic rights when it's a hologram that is dangerous.



    "René Echevarria, Ronald D. Moore and Brannon Braga were very eager to bring the Moriarty hologram back in a seventh season episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Though Echevarria later forgot what happened to Moriarty in the proposed story pitch, he reckoned the character would likely have realized he had been duped, thereafter managing to escape from the memory module and yet again threaten the Enterprise-D."

    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/James_Moriarty_(hologram)

    I'm not a fan of the sentient hologram thing, but this is an interesting idea for a mission. I think the hardest part would be making a character with Victorian era clothes. As for whether or not the memory module survived, you can always make something up. Maybe Reg Barclay had created a backup memory unit.

  • jbmonroejbmonroe Member Posts: 809 Arc User

    I'm not a fan of the sentient hologram thing, but this is an interesting idea for a mission. I think the hardest part would be making a character with Victorian era clothes. As for whether or not the memory module survived, you can always make something up. Maybe Reg Barclay had created a backup memory unit.

    "Sentient hologram thing": Bob Picardo will be sad to hear that.

    I'm pretty sure that Starfleet procedures would require backups of all data. In fact, backing up Moriarty for study at some science station or another would have been pretty much mandatory, given the potential (benefits or hazards, depending on your point of view).

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  • rancidmojo#7824 rancidmojo Member Posts: 105 Arc User
    jbmonroe wrote: »

    I'm not a fan of the sentient hologram thing, but this is an interesting idea for a mission. I think the hardest part would be making a character with Victorian era clothes. As for whether or not the memory module survived, you can always make something up. Maybe Reg Barclay had created a backup memory unit.

    "Sentient hologram thing": Bob Picardo will be sad to hear that.

    I'm pretty sure that Starfleet procedures would require backups of all data. In fact, backing up Moriarty for study at some science station or another would have been pretty much mandatory, given the potential (benefits or hazards, depending on your point of view).

    I meant no offense against Mister Picardo. In fact I enjoyed his snarky remarks on Voyager. (Though I wish they didn't use as comic relief at times).

    I guess if I was a character on one of the shows I'd be the one that was a creep because I honestly don't see a hologram character as being alive and sentient. I don't want to unravel the thread on that debate, but its just how I look at it.

    As for using Moriarty in a mission as I said, its not too hard to imagine that maybe the memory module was backed up. If there is no "canon" source saying it was destroyed, problem solved. (I don't now if there is or not for sure)...heck, you could also base the story mission around someone trying to "recreate" the conditions that created Moriarty in the first place. I think it would be an interesting premise to have a mission on.
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