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Can the next Specialization be Science exclusive?

Not at all trying complain with all the goodies science has recieved in the last year it has been the golden age and gets better every day. However, we now have four specs and if you look at them this is what we find:

Intel - All ship types
Temporal - All ship types
Command - Cruiser exclusive
Pilot - Escort exclusive

So... Can we please? :smiley:
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  • potasssiumpotasssium Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    right, because they are going to make a 2nd set of science ships for KDF and Rom so soon?
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  • kurumimorishitakurumimorishita Member Posts: 1,410 Arc User
    potasssium wrote: »
    right, because they are going to make a 2nd set of science ships for KDF and Rom so soon?

    Why not? The annual 9-pack of ships has to be something.. T6 Vesta pack+Rom/Klingon version anyone? ;P
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  • lsegnlsegn Member Posts: 594 Arc User
    If what im seeing and hearing is correct the popularity of science has absolutely exploded recently expecially in PVP where energy weapons are all but shunned (so im hearing atleast). So if it would ever happen now would be the perfect time. I mean when people can do 150k+ DPS without firing a single weapon you start to rival high-end energy weapon builds when factoring in things like ignored shields/armor and spike damage vs sustained.

    And thats just one build type science offers. There are three primary categories for dealing with enemies and countless variations.
  • lsegnlsegn Member Posts: 594 Arc User
    The latest story about Ezri got a lot of science players hopes up for a T6 Vesta. The licensing was a pain for them the first time though so theres no gauruntees they could do it again.

    I kinda wish someone could do an interview with some developers talking all things science but i've heard the devs are very particular about who they'll give interviews to.
  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    There was a time when the neverending science begging was funny. It's not anymore.
  • lsegnlsegn Member Posts: 594 Arc User
    Yeah... Karma's a TRIBBLE.
  • lighte007lighte007 Member Posts: 390 Arc User
    edited December 2016
    I thought the Eternal is the T6 Vesta.

    Since it does have 'Multi-Mission Science Vessel' in it.
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,602 Arc User
    lighte007 wrote: »
    I thought the Eternal is the T6 Vesta.

    Since it does have 'Multi-Mission Science Vessel' in it.

    I believe it is so too!
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  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    lsegn wrote: »
    Not at all trying complain with all the goodies science has recieved in the last year it has been the golden age and gets better every day. However, we now have four specs and if you look at them this is what we find:

    Intel - All ship types
    Temporal - All ship types
    Command - Cruiser exclusive
    Pilot - Escort exclusive

    So... Can we please? :smiley:

    I don't find those restrictions a good thing to begin with, so doing more content with arbitrary restrictions seems like making things worse, not better. I'd love to have a Pilot carrier, or a Command science ship.

  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    nikeix wrote: »
    lsegn wrote: »
    Not at all trying complain with all the goodies science has recieved in the last year it has been the golden age and gets better every day. However, we now have four specs and if you look at them this is what we find:

    Intel - All ship types
    Temporal - All ship types
    Command - Cruiser exclusive
    Pilot - Escort exclusive

    So... Can we please? :smiley:

    I don't find those restrictions a good thing to begin with, so doing more content with arbitrary restrictions seems like making things worse, not better. I'd love to have a Pilot carrier, or a Command science ship.

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  • lordsteve1lordsteve1 Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    A command science ship would be very nice. A ship that can take full advantage of science, torps and command abilities would be very cool, like the Hestia; only better.
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  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    lordsteve1 wrote: »
    A command science ship would be very nice. A ship that can take full advantage of science, torps and command abilities would be very cool, like the Hestia; only better.

    "Only Hestier" :D.

  • sorceror01sorceror01 Member Posts: 1,042 Arc User
    The thing with Specializations that you have to keep in mind is that they can't really be geared towards one singular profession or the other. By that, I mean, none of the Specializations can favor one profession to the point where it's pointless to pick a Specialization if you're not of a certain profession.
    They have to be available and moderately useful to everyone.

    Every Specialization can be useful to all professions and a multitude of play styles, if you know what you're doing.

    For example, Command isn't just useful for Cruisers, it's also useful for support in general (both in space and on the ground) and enhances torpedo based attacks. So, it can be useful for Science and also Tactical captains/ships.
    Pilot is also generally useful if you want to enhance your defenses and your ship has decent enough maneuverability to begin with. Maneuverability isn't necessarily exclusive to any one profession, so other than the slowest of cruisers, Pilot can be useful to anyone in any ship.

    Just because certain ship Specialization combos don't currently exist (such as a Science Command Vessel) doesn't mean that a Specialization isn't useful to certain professions.
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  • lsegnlsegn Member Posts: 594 Arc User
    No thats not what i meant. I was just talking about a spec centered specifically on science ships since cruisers and escorts got theirs.
  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    They need to un-"get theirs". Pilot Cruisers, science ships and carriers. Command escorts, carriers, and science ships. We also still need Temporal and Intel 2-hanger carriers. IDIC.
  • potasssiumpotasssium Member Posts: 1,226 Arc User
    edited December 2016
    If they just gave the Dyson ships the T6 treatment, with the ability to change or have faction based energy types on those Quads, I would be very happy with that.

    Even just the base event model ones. For a Science specific speciality, I would like to see it play off of Secondary Deflectors more.

    Frankly, I still want to see a Pilot Rhode Island Class sci ship. But I have my Nebula, so I am very happy for my one fed. My KDF and Rom all have ships they love as well.
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  • chozoelder2ndchozoelder2nd Member Posts: 440 Arc User
    What do you mean by "exclusive" specializations? I assume you mean the boff seating and not the trees. The only exclusive one that I'm aware of are the Pilot boff skills that are only tied to Escort type ships. I don't think any other type of ship has a Pilot spec seating. I think the Temporal Operative spec is already mostly focused on science.
    sorceror01 wrote: »
    Just because certain ship Specialization combos don't currently exist (such as a Science Command Vessel) doesn't mean that a Specialization isn't useful to certain professions.
    I agree.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    Tbh, even though Temporal seating is available to all ship types, it's still extremely science oriented.

    Correct, Temporal Rep caters quite heavily to Science. Yes, Entropic Rider is something most builds can use, but those BOFF abilities heavily cater to SCI.
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  • crypticspartan#0627 crypticspartan Member Posts: 847 Cryptic Developer
    lsegn wrote: »
    Not at all trying complain with all the goodies science has recieved in the last year it has been the golden age and gets better every day. However, we now have four specs and if you look at them this is what we find:

    Intel - All ship types
    Temporal - All ship types
    Command - Cruiser exclusive
    Pilot - Escort exclusive

    So... Can we please? :smiley:

    Command is not Cruiser Exclusive, nor is Pilot Escort Exclusive.

    As examples:

    The Paradox Science Dreadnought has Command seating, as do the Hestia-Class Advanced Escort, Vonph Dreadnought Carrier, and Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier.

    The Na'kuhl Daemosh Science Vessel has Pilot seating, as does the Na'kuhl Acheros Battlecruiser.
    lighte007 wrote: »
    I thought the Eternal is the T6 Vesta.

    Since it does have 'Multi-Mission Science Vessel' in it.

    Multi-Mission Science Vessel is a type of ship. The Eternal is not a T6 Vesta.
  • lordsteve1lordsteve1 Member Posts: 3,492 Arc User
    The Eternal is not a T6 Vesta.

    Holy cow! Don't go saying that sort of thing round here! Do you know what's gonna happen now.......people will get their hopes up again and we'll have a bazillion threads begging for a T6 Vesta.
    Now i'd love one....but can the poor forum mods and new CM keep up with the sheer volume of threads coming!

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  • sorceror01sorceror01 Member Posts: 1,042 Arc User
    lsegn wrote: »
    No thats not what i meant. I was just talking about a spec centered specifically on science ships since cruisers and escorts got theirs.

    Cruisers and Escorts, as was mentioned previously, do not have a Specialization tree that is exclusive to those ship classes. No matter what anyone says or thinks.

    Specializations will never be that exclusive, I think. As I said, they need to function on a broader scale, despite how, ah, specialized they are.

    Look, if it helps you classify them better in your mind, think of it this way:

    Intel=Enemy Debuff/CC
    Command=Team Buff/Torp Enhancement
    Pilot=Speed-based Defense/Freedom of Movement
    Temporal=Exotic Damage Enhancement/Power Recharge Rate Enhancement
    Strategist=Damage Mitigation/Threat Management
    Commando=Ground Warfare enhancement

    None of those are necessarily profession or ship agnostic. Any captain of any class, in any kind of ship, can potentially make use of any combination of Specializations, all depending on a variety of factors.
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  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    Temporal spec IS science oriented. As far as the leaning of powers.

    And i max my command spec on every toon, especially small hull dmg dealers to beef them up because they need it.
    And i max my pilot spec on my tank capt because he needs it.
  • lnbladelnblade Member Posts: 410 Arc User
    nikeix wrote: »
    I don't find those restrictions a good thing to begin with, so doing more content with arbitrary restrictions seems like making things worse, not better. I'd love to have a Pilot carrier, or a Command science ship.
    I'd always figured that the Nebula class was the most likely candidate for a command sci ship, seeing how it was big and cruiser-like. Dunno what they'd use now. T6 command DSSV? Seems unlikely, but that ship does have its fans.
  • tobiashirttobiashirt Member Posts: 630 Arc User
    lsegn wrote: »
    Not at all trying complain with all the goodies science has recieved in the last year it has been the golden age and gets better every day. However, we now have four specs and if you look at them this is what we find:

    Intel - All ship types
    Temporal - All ship types
    Command - Cruiser exclusive
    Pilot - Escort exclusive

    So... Can we please? :smiley:

    Can you clarify what you mean by specialization? Use of the word 'exclusive' implies to me the unique mechanics like Inspiration on the CBC's and Gather Intel. If we're talking about the actual specializations, none have ever been exclusive to one ship type, and in fact, Temporal pretty closely benefits sci ships (+EPG, Anomaly Leash, Temporal Cross-Wiring, etc).
  • tobiashirttobiashirt Member Posts: 630 Arc User
    nikeix wrote: »
    lsegn wrote: »
    Not at all trying complain with all the goodies science has recieved in the last year it has been the golden age and gets better every day. However, we now have four specs and if you look at them this is what we find:

    Intel - All ship types
    Temporal - All ship types
    Command - Cruiser exclusive
    Pilot - Escort exclusive

    So... Can we please? :smiley:

    I don't find those restrictions a good thing to begin with, so doing more content with arbitrary restrictions seems like making things worse, not better. I'd love to have a Pilot carrier, or a Command science ship.

    Oh, specialization seating? There are at least 2 dreadnought carriers with command (not cruisers), the Nahkuhl ships with Pilot/Intel, etc.
  • sorceror01sorceror01 Member Posts: 1,042 Arc User
    edited December 2016
    Temporal spec IS science oriented. As far as the leaning of powers.

    And i max my command spec on every toon, especially small hull dmg dealers to beef them up because they need it.
    And i max my pilot spec on my tank capt because he needs it.

    Temporal Spec enhances exotic damage, DOT's, and power recharge rates, both for Kits and in space, among other things (like enhancing basic weapon attacks, for example).
    While Science may be able to exploit this somewhat more fully than other professions and ship types, it is not the only profession that utilizes it, nor are Science Vessels the only types of ships that can utilize decent grade science powers.

    Also, I'm pretty sure every profession can benefit from expedited power recharge rates.
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  • lsegnlsegn Member Posts: 594 Arc User
    Sorry let me clarify, ONLY cruisers have been full Comand ships with the built in mechanics and commander level abilities and ONLY escorts have been full Pilot ships with the built in mechanics and commander level abilities.

    Comman Cruisers
    Kelvin Connie

    Pilot Escorts
    D4x BOP

    Thats what i meant.
  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    I think the special ship abilities need to make thematic sense, but really only Pilot feels limited to fast-turning ships. Carriers just don't seem to be appropriate for that, but I could see it for Battlecruisers, and Science Vessels.

    I think a Command Carrier (Tier 6 Vo'Quv) would make perfect sense and might even have some decent synergy with Carrier abiltiies. (At least Rallying Point would have)
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  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited December 2016
    the conclusion of the OP is flawed to begin with. None of the specialisations is specifically geared toward a ship class.
    The only thing they are tied to are the weapons and abilities you use. I can't see any disadvantage for my cruisers to use pilot specialisation.
    Intel so far seems to be the most universal, but each ship class has something to gain from each of the specialisations. Some combos are better than others, but that is about it.
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