If you want the upgrades you actually save dilithium.
Yeah, you save a little bit of Dil if you opt to turn in uncommon tokens for the Phoenix upgrade kits. But you need to buy 10 Phoenix Packs for 40k Dil, or 4k Dil each.
- Each Phoenix upgrade kits gives 51,200 Tech Points and gives a standard chance for quality upgrade. It does not use any Dil other than the 4k Dil you spent to purchase the Phoenix Pack in a 10 pack.
- That is the equivalent to using 4 Superior upgrade kits which gives 12,800 Tech Points each and uses a total of 4,300 Dil (1,075 x 4).
- That is a savings of 300 Dil. It's not much but at least it is a savings.
- Grinding down a Phoenix Token to a lower rarity will result in 2 lower quality Phoenix Tokens. A very rare token grinds down to 2 rare tokens which can be further ground down to 4 uncommon tokens that can be traded in for 4 Phoenix upgrade kits. The result is even more Dil savings.
It's funny how the overly-expensive dilithium uniforms were barely noticed by the market, but these packs nuked it. 277 dil for 1 zen right now.
Let it be a lesson to you, devs and higher-ups.
Let this be a lesson to you, players. The uniforms were NEVER intended as a dilithium sink. They're a textbook prestige item intended only for the very, very space rich.
It's kinda like that "I Am Rich" app (created by Armin Heinrich) that was sold in Apple's App Store for one day before it was taken down by Apple. Eight people bought that app which was released as a work of art (glowing red gem) with no hidden function other than an icon when pressed the following mantra would be displayed:
I am rich
I deserve it
I am good,
healthy & successful
Unlike the "I Am Rich" app, the overly expensive uniforms are official in-game items.
[quote="saurializard;13121792"]It's funny how the overly-expensive dilithium uniforms were barely noticed by the market, but these packs nuked it. 277 dil for 1 zen right now.
Let it be a lesson to you, devs and higher-ups.[/quote]
From Borticus: The costume additions were never intended to be a true sink, and that's not something that we ever called them. Players attributed that moniker to them.
As I told a few folks at STLV (including /u/Lootcritter) those expensive items were intended to be two things:
1) A test-bed, to see if the small audience of Ultra-Dilithium-Rich players WANTED expensive, exclusive, non-combat items to spend their surplus earnings on.
2) An instant and one-time reduction to the glut of Dilithium gathering dust on the accounts of a small percentage of those few ultra-rich players.
If you want the upgrades you actually save dilithium.
Yeah, you save a little bit of Dil if you opt to turn in uncommon tokens for the Phoenix upgrade kits. But you need to buy 10 Phoenix Packs for 40k Dil, or 4k Dil each.
- Each Phoenix upgrade kits gives 51,200 Tech Points and gives a standard chance for quality upgrade. It does not use any Dil other than the 4k Dil you spent to purchase the Phoenix Pack in a 10 pack.
- That is the equivalent to using 4 Superior upgrade kits which gives 12,800 Tech Points each and uses a total of 4,300 Dil (1,075 x 4).
- That is a savings of 300 Dil. It's not much but at least it is a savings.
- Grinding down a Phoenix Token to a lower rarity will result in 2 lower quality Phoenix Tokens. A very rare token grinds down to 2 rare tokens which can be further ground down to 4 uncommon tokens that can be traded in for 4 Phoenix upgrade kits. The result is even more Dil savings.
The deal is actually a lot better than you describe.
Seriously, 51,200 Tech Points per upgrade kit > 4x Superior Tech upgrades! Why, you ask? Because of the way the boosts work. With these Phoenix babies you will, for instance, only need 1 '2x Technology Points' to get to a whopping 100K! (Versus 4x when using Superior Tech upgrades). So, on an Upgrade Weekend, you can squeeze a staggering 200K out of a single Phoenix Upgrade, in one foul swoop! That's a lot.
The problem is the dilithium rich will rebuild quickly and the market will bounce back to the high price. Unless they introduce something similar regularly to keep them investing the dilithium they don't need. I may be optimistic but unless another sink comes into play I expect that by mid June next year it will be back over 400. (Optimistic in it taking that long.)
It's funny how the overly-expensive dilithium uniforms were barely noticed by the market, but these packs nuked it. 277 dil for 1 zen right now.
Let it be a lesson to you, devs and higher-ups.
The thing is that unless the devs expand the inventory for a next run, it will not have as much impact due to most people already having gathered the things they want.
So without seriously expanding the inventory this massive effect is a one time deal.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
If you want the upgrades you actually save dilithium.
Yeah, you save a little bit of Dil if you opt to turn in uncommon tokens for the Phoenix upgrade kits. But you need to buy 10 Phoenix Packs for 40k Dil, or 4k Dil each.
- Each Phoenix upgrade kits gives 51,200 Tech Points and gives a standard chance for quality upgrade. It does not use any Dil other than the 4k Dil you spent to purchase the Phoenix Pack in a 10 pack.
- That is the equivalent to using 4 Superior upgrade kits which gives 12,800 Tech Points each and uses a total of 4,300 Dil (1,075 x 4).
- That is a savings of 300 Dil. It's not much but at least it is a savings.
- Grinding down a Phoenix Token to a lower rarity will result in 2 lower quality Phoenix Tokens. A very rare token grinds down to 2 rare tokens which can be further ground down to 4 uncommon tokens that can be traded in for 4 Phoenix upgrade kits. The result is even more Dil savings.
You act like it's a bad thing. From my experience so far, every 10 boxes gives about half uncommon, half rare so 5/5 and I usually get at least one VR every 10 boxes, heck one time I got 4 VR outta 10 boxes , so really 5/4/1. That equals out to 17 upgrades, not 10, so that's around 2350 dil per upgrade, not to mention the 1 free pack every day... So I mean really, you're not paying anywhere near the same cost in dil per Phoenix as you are Superior, not to mention the EC cost of the Superior upgrades on top of that, 100 averaging ~17mill... an added cost not applied to the Phoenix. So it's a helluva a deal, and I'll take it... and I already have.. 100 times and will continue to do so, for a couple more days.
@meimeitoo 's point about upgrade weekends and boosts is huge in my book. It is why I dumped a bunch of dil on these. Yes some bulwarks and jhas would be nice, but emotes and upgrades are pure win for me.
If you want the upgrades you actually save dilithium.
Yeah, you save a little bit of Dil if you opt to turn in uncommon tokens for the Phoenix upgrade kits. But you need to buy 10 Phoenix Packs for 40k Dil, or 4k Dil each.
- Each Phoenix upgrade kits gives 51,200 Tech Points and gives a standard chance for quality upgrade. It does not use any Dil other than the 4k Dil you spent to purchase the Phoenix Pack in a 10 pack.
- That is the equivalent to using 4 Superior upgrade kits which gives 12,800 Tech Points each and uses a total of 4,300 Dil (1,075 x 4).
- That is a savings of 300 Dil. It's not much but at least it is a savings.
- Grinding down a Phoenix Token to a lower rarity will result in 2 lower quality Phoenix Tokens. A very rare token grinds down to 2 rare tokens which can be further ground down to 4 uncommon tokens that can be traded in for 4 Phoenix upgrade kits. The result is even more Dil savings.
You act like it's a bad thing. From my experience so far, every 10 boxes gives about half uncommon, half rare so 5/5 and I usually get at least one VR every 10 boxes, heck one time I got 4 VR outta 10 boxes , so really 5/4/1. That equals out to 17 upgrades, not 10...
Well, if you read my last point I stated that tokens can be grounded down into 2 lower quality tokens; uncommon being the lowest. I pointed out that a very rare token can grounded into 2 rare tokens which in turn grounds down to 4 uncommon tokens which can then be used to purchase 4 Phoenix upgrade kits.
The other great thing about this event is that I used some Dil to purchase 10,000 Zen. I can either use that for a rainy day in the C-Store, or convert them back to refined Dil when the Exchange rate goes back up which should cover most of the cost of buying Phoenix Packs. I don't think I will go back to 430:1 which was approximately the exchange rate before the Phoenix Pack announcement.
If you want the upgrades you actually save dilithium.
Yeah, you save a little bit of Dil if you opt to turn in uncommon tokens for the Phoenix upgrade kits. But you need to buy 10 Phoenix Packs for 40k Dil, or 4k Dil each.
- Each Phoenix upgrade kits gives 51,200 Tech Points and gives a standard chance for quality upgrade. It does not use any Dil other than the 4k Dil you spent to purchase the Phoenix Pack in a 10 pack.
- That is the equivalent to using 4 Superior upgrade kits which gives 12,800 Tech Points each and uses a total of 4,300 Dil (1,075 x 4).
- That is a savings of 300 Dil. It's not much but at least it is a savings.
- Grinding down a Phoenix Token to a lower rarity will result in 2 lower quality Phoenix Tokens. A very rare token grinds down to 2 rare tokens which can be further ground down to 4 uncommon tokens that can be traded in for 4 Phoenix upgrade kits. The result is even more Dil savings.
You act like it's a bad thing. From my experience so far, every 10 boxes gives about half uncommon, half rare so 5/5 and I usually get at least one VR every 10 boxes, heck one time I got 4 VR outta 10 boxes , so really 5/4/1. That equals out to 17 upgrades, not 10...
Well, if you read my last point I stated that tokens can be grounded down into 2 lower quality tokens; uncommon being the lowest. I pointed out that a very rare token can grounded into 2 rare tokens which in turn grounds down to 4 uncommon tokens which can then be used to purchase 4 Phoenix upgrade kits.
The other great thing about this event is that I used some Dil to purchase 10,000 Zen. I can either use that for a rainy day in the C-Store, or convert them back to refined Dil when the Exchange rate goes back up which should cover most of the cost of buying Phoenix Packs. I don't think I will go back to 430:1 which was approximately the exchange rate before the Phoenix Pack announcement.
True, however, your final point did not overrule your points before that. None the less, the event has been great for both F2Pers and P2Wers, and overall great for the dilithium market. I do think it will bounce back up, maybe not to 400+ but I do see ~350-ish with the Infinity R&D Pack promotion... we'll see.
hardly the destroyer, after the promotion ends over abundance of dilithium and the exchange rate will soon bounce back to their former level.
running this for only a week is insufficient to class as a significant sink, imagining this event is the "destroyer of Dilithium" is like imagining you can run your home electricity consumption for a year on one AAA battery.
It's funny how the overly-expensive dilithium uniforms were barely noticed by the market, but these packs nuked it. 277 dil for 1 zen right now.
Let it be a lesson to you, devs and higher-ups.
The thing is that unless the devs expand the inventory for a next run, it will not have as much impact due to most people already having gathered the things they want.
So without seriously expanding the inventory this massive effect is a one time deal.
there's also that to consider, when they run this event multiple times over each year players will get to the stage where most if not all of the stuff will be superfluous, even with the awesome upgrade tech there will come a point when there is very little that requires upgrading.
without adding more stuff to the list (and I'm not referring to event items when I say that) there is not much chance players are going to spend as much dilithium as they have this time.
even players who are hoping to get a ship out of it will eventually be put off spending too much by the very low drop rate for UR & epic tokens.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I love the event, I just hate that I'm going to go through it and not get the one thing I want. I missed out on the risan corvette the first time around and I've been fishing as much as I can for that ultra rare token, but I just can't get it, and the event is almost over.
I have over two dozen uncommon tags, about a dozen rares and a handful of very rares, and I can trade them all down to uncommons, but I can't trade them up. I'd give all the tags I have for that one elusive ultra rare tag, but I can't. I think that should change.
Actually, right after the Infinity R&D Promotion was announced the Dilithium Market went up about 50 points. This did go back down. But if you can have fluctuations of this magnitude, this Market can be back into the 400s sooner than you think.
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'But to be logical is not to be right', and 'nothing' on God's earth could ever 'make it' right!'
Judge Dan Haywood
'As l speak now, the words are forming in my head.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
I can't complain, I got 99% of the emotes I wanted. A few RMCs for two other characters and a ton of upgrade tokens because I kept getting blue and purple quality vouchers. I upgraded that nausi set from the last featured episode and it's rocking.
They didn't release any ships I wanted so I wasn't disappointed in not getting the two top tier tokens. That being said if they had a D-7 or T'liss in the T6 category I would have been disappointed. But they didn't so I'm happy. None of the other ships are worth getting because they aren't from one of the playable factions.
I kind of like it when Cryptic puts all the actual good stuff in the lower tier tokens.
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Let it be a lesson to you, devs and higher-ups.
Yeah, you save a little bit of Dil if you opt to turn in uncommon tokens for the Phoenix upgrade kits. But you need to buy 10 Phoenix Packs for 40k Dil, or 4k Dil each.
- Each Phoenix upgrade kits gives 51,200 Tech Points and gives a standard chance for quality upgrade. It does not use any Dil other than the 4k Dil you spent to purchase the Phoenix Pack in a 10 pack.
- That is the equivalent to using 4 Superior upgrade kits which gives 12,800 Tech Points each and uses a total of 4,300 Dil (1,075 x 4).
- That is a savings of 300 Dil. It's not much but at least it is a savings.
- Grinding down a Phoenix Token to a lower rarity will result in 2 lower quality Phoenix Tokens. A very rare token grinds down to 2 rare tokens which can be further ground down to 4 uncommon tokens that can be traded in for 4 Phoenix upgrade kits. The result is even more Dil savings.
Let this be a lesson to you, players. The uniforms were NEVER intended as a dilithium sink. They're a textbook prestige item intended only for the very, very space rich.
I am rich
I deserve it
I am good,
healthy & successful
Unlike the "I Am Rich" app, the overly expensive uniforms are official in-game items.
Let it be a lesson to you, devs and higher-ups.[/quote]
The costumes were never aimed at the market:
Https://www.reddit.com/r/STO/comments/5fqp8j/pheonix_prize_pack/damcngv
From Borticus:
The costume additions were never intended to be a true sink, and that's not something that we ever called them. Players attributed that moniker to them.
As I told a few folks at STLV (including /u/Lootcritter) those expensive items were intended to be two things:
1) A test-bed, to see if the small audience of Ultra-Dilithium-Rich players WANTED expensive, exclusive, non-combat items to spend their surplus earnings on.
2) An instant and one-time reduction to the glut of Dilithium gathering dust on the accounts of a small percentage of those few ultra-rich players.
The deal is actually a lot better than you describe.
Seriously, 51,200 Tech Points per upgrade kit > 4x Superior Tech upgrades! Why, you ask? Because of the way the boosts work. With these Phoenix babies you will, for instance, only need 1 '2x Technology Points' to get to a whopping 100K! (Versus 4x when using Superior Tech upgrades). So, on an Upgrade Weekend, you can squeeze a staggering 200K out of a single Phoenix Upgrade, in one foul swoop! That's a lot.
The thing is that unless the devs expand the inventory for a next run, it will not have as much impact due to most people already having gathered the things they want.
So without seriously expanding the inventory this massive effect is a one time deal.
You act like it's a bad thing. From my experience so far, every 10 boxes gives about half uncommon, half rare so 5/5 and I usually get at least one VR every 10 boxes, heck one time I got 4 VR outta 10 boxes
Well, if you read my last point I stated that tokens can be grounded down into 2 lower quality tokens; uncommon being the lowest. I pointed out that a very rare token can grounded into 2 rare tokens which in turn grounds down to 4 uncommon tokens which can then be used to purchase 4 Phoenix upgrade kits.
The other great thing about this event is that I used some Dil to purchase 10,000 Zen. I can either use that for a rainy day in the C-Store, or convert them back to refined Dil when the Exchange rate goes back up which should cover most of the cost of buying Phoenix Packs. I don't think I will go back to 430:1 which was approximately the exchange rate before the Phoenix Pack announcement.
True, however, your final point did not overrule your points before that. None the less, the event has been great for both F2Pers and P2Wers, and overall great for the dilithium market. I do think it will bounce back up, maybe not to 400+ but I do see ~350-ish with the Infinity R&D Pack promotion... we'll see.
running this for only a week is insufficient to class as a significant sink, imagining this event is the "destroyer of Dilithium" is like imagining you can run your home electricity consumption for a year on one AAA battery.
there's also that to consider, when they run this event multiple times over each year players will get to the stage where most if not all of the stuff will be superfluous, even with the awesome upgrade tech there will come a point when there is very little that requires upgrading.
without adding more stuff to the list (and I'm not referring to event items when I say that) there is not much chance players are going to spend as much dilithium as they have this time.
even players who are hoping to get a ship out of it will eventually be put off spending too much by the very low drop rate for UR & epic tokens.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
I have over two dozen uncommon tags, about a dozen rares and a handful of very rares, and I can trade them all down to uncommons, but I can't trade them up. I'd give all the tags I have for that one elusive ultra rare tag, but I can't. I think that should change.
Yeah, PC only.
Move along you Console Scum...
Just kidding.
Hopefully Cryptic will release more T5 and T6 ships on the consoles before the end of the year.
l don't know.
l really don't know what l'm about to say, except l have a feeling about it.
That l must repeat the words that come without my knowledge.'
They didn't release any ships I wanted so I wasn't disappointed in not getting the two top tier tokens. That being said if they had a D-7 or T'liss in the T6 category I would have been disappointed. But they didn't so I'm happy. None of the other ships are worth getting because they aren't from one of the playable factions.
I kind of like it when Cryptic puts all the actual good stuff in the lower tier tokens.