Sure, give people who already don't like fleets another reason to dislike fleets.
Heavily biased poll questions will almost always get me to vote against the bias, but in this case, even if the choices were a simple "Yes" or "No" I'd still choose the latter.
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The concept of "raiding" needs to be a bit more well-defined perhaps? Inviting Fleets for a PvP match - sure, that would be neat, scheduling fleet matches.
But that's probably not what you meant, but who knows?
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It could be interesting, but I don't think it would work out in the end....as raiding against fleets without warning would never work. So it would have to be "scheduled" matches, which wouldn't work since no one does PVP to boot. So I voted "yes" just to throw the numbers, it really is a dead idea though as PVP is generally dead in this game, sorry OP.
Yeah...way to bias the answer to the poll...moron. Regardless of what I think, I am with bergins...anyone who makes such a biased poll automatically get the "bad" answer from me as well...not that I would have voted yes to this poll anyways since it's a TERRIBLE idea. MAYBE if we fixed PvP first...but even than, if I was forced into PvP, I would leave my fleet...so yeah no.
'biased poll' oh boohoo, sorry to hurt your little feelings, do you need a tissue sweetheart?
Bring it on, as this would require polishing PvP and endless balance passes. It would be glorious.
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If it was not a scheduled event or sanctioned by both parties, it would be abused sooooo fast in sooooo many ways. A CERTAIN fleet would either be a prime target or feel the need to "police" other fleets through raids, other fleets may view it as a chance to punish other fleets for "underperforming" in Infected... the list goes on. Also... there actually are fleets STILL being made so they aren't even T1 starbase yet, and fleets that aren't T5 starbase yet. How do you balance that out against a full T5 starbase fleet with max tier holdings and max number of members?
Having actual Raid content may be nice for endgame level players, but PvP Raids are a bad way to introduce it. Not only that... with all the variables... it is impossible to balance as soon after its introduced, word will spread about which fleets are easy targets and guess what will happen... nonstop curbstomping of said easy targets because it would be just like an Infected run. Maximum reward for Minimal effort.
It can't be balanced and it can't be maintained. It would become a Troll Tool so fast it would drive entire fleets out of the game.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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Inter Fleet Raiding.....an exceptional way to drive even more players who don't want to deal with trolls and idiots further away and kill the game.....and from your post OP, you're one or both!
"You don't want to patrol!? You don't want to escort!? You don't want to defend the Federation's Starbases!? Then why are you flying my Starships!? If you were a Klingon you'd be killed on the spot, but lucky for you.....you WERE in Starfleet. Let's see how New Zealand Penal Colony suits you." Adm A. Necheyev.
Yeah...way to bias the answer to the poll...moron. Regardless of what I think, I am with bergins...anyone who makes such a biased poll automatically get the "bad" answer from me as well...not that I would have voted yes to this poll anyways since it's a TERRIBLE idea. MAYBE if we fixed PvP first...but even than, if I was forced into PvP, I would leave my fleet...so yeah no.
'biased poll' oh boohoo, sorry to hurt your little feelings, do you need a tissue sweetheart?
It is an obviously biased poll. Anyone that votes no also says they're scared of PvP. Way to tack a little insult onto anyone that votes against your idea. If you want people honest opinion then make both options neutral. People will avoid your poll if they feel it's biased one way or another.
If you want to get optimal results, you should consider re-wording your options. A simple 'Yes' or 'No' would be perfectly fine.
It could only really work if it was in a form where no permanent damage was done to fleets would this be better?
I mean if it's going to be like EVE where the fleet gets utterly smashed and loses everything then that is a sure fire way to push people away and end up with massive trolling and ganking of low tier fleets.
Certain fleets or groups of players do take pleasure in doing that sort of thing and giving them a tool to do so would be an utter disaster.
Would STO benefit from a pvp system which allowed fleets to raid other fleet starbases?
Only way it'd come close to working is if the 'raids' didn't do actual damage/have a negative effect on the people being raided. Which means it would then basically be another PvP map/map type, played as much as the rest. Or, if it did transfer resources in any way from one fleet to another, you'd just get fleets who would evolve to subsist off raiding and come to dominate the landscape. I'd become EVE or Ark or Rust, take your pick.
I would like to hear about new PvP gamemodes, how the OP thinks something like this might work, suggestions for ways to rein in potential abuses, etc.
Inter Fleet Raiding.....an exceptional way to drive even more players who don't want to deal with trolls and idiots further away and kill the game.....and from your post OP, you're one or both!
Given that OP knows exactly what this would do and worded the original poll in a 'heads I win, tails you lose' manner...I'd guess the former but not the latter.
oh boohoo, sorry to hurt your little feelings, do you need a tissue sweetheart?
From what I've read from the OP, I'm not impressed. I mean, someone who has started more threads than they have made comments? There's something wrong with that picture.
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you'd just get fleets who would evolve to subsist off raiding and come to dominate the landscape.
I believe that would be a variant of the MMO player type known as the PK, or Player Killer, who specializes in hunting and killing other players in game for the sole purpose of the PK's enjoyment and griefing, especially if there is the opportunity to loot the body or get some kind of reward out of it unlike PvPers who do it for sport and typically against an equally geared opponent.
Basically a PK is the worst scum and a taint on the honorable PvP community.
I can't take it anymore! Could everyone just chill out for two seconds before something CRAZY happens again?!
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Pole options suck it hard. What's wrong with people? Not many people do poles correctly. But the OP is just trying to insult people that choose NO? Give me a damn break. I answered No. If PvP worked and if there was a model where PvP vs a fleet's starbase worked well i'd be totally into it. As it stands right now it will not work. So why waste time with a stupidly biased poll.
I am sorry, but your poll does not provide enough information to choose one option over the other.
For example, you do not list in which items could be raided. Either provisions, items in the fleet bank or EC.
Another thing missing is in what type of system would be in place to ensure that full membered fleets could or could not take on one man banking fleets.
Lastly, OP it has proven time and time again on these forums, any idea can be presented. If you wish for your idea to be given serious thought and consideration by all members of this community; a more fair and balanced poll with a much greater and highly detailed information would work.
I personally like the over all idea of fleets fighting each other, but I cannot support the rest of your idea due to you lack of due diligence this community expects out of new ideas.
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Heavily biased poll questions will almost always get me to vote against the bias, but in this case, even if the choices were a simple "Yes" or "No" I'd still choose the latter.
But that's probably not what you meant, but who knows?
I think that's the OP's plan: Free stuff for doing nowt and let everyone else suffer YAAAAAYYY!!
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I'd like to see some sort of pvp done but at the moment it's a lost cause it's so badly balanced.
'biased poll' oh boohoo, sorry to hurt your little feelings, do you need a tissue sweetheart?
Having actual Raid content may be nice for endgame level players, but PvP Raids are a bad way to introduce it. Not only that... with all the variables... it is impossible to balance as soon after its introduced, word will spread about which fleets are easy targets and guess what will happen... nonstop curbstomping of said easy targets because it would be just like an Infected run. Maximum reward for Minimal effort.
It can't be balanced and it can't be maintained. It would become a Troll Tool so fast it would drive entire fleets out of the game.
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This is contradictory... I LOVE PvP but it is DEAD here...so why bring it. They should Fix the broken system first.
It is an obviously biased poll. Anyone that votes no also says they're scared of PvP. Way to tack a little insult onto anyone that votes against your idea. If you want people honest opinion then make both options neutral. People will avoid your poll if they feel it's biased one way or another.
If you want to get optimal results, you should consider re-wording your options. A simple 'Yes' or 'No' would be perfectly fine.
As an elected official.....I'm not dumb enough to fall for that kind of trap....it's how I got elected
Vote Yes: Wall around Bajor
Vote No: Bajorans will be exterminated
I mean if it's going to be like EVE where the fleet gets utterly smashed and loses everything then that is a sure fire way to push people away and end up with massive trolling and ganking of low tier fleets.
Certain fleets or groups of players do take pleasure in doing that sort of thing and giving them a tool to do so would be an utter disaster.
Only way it'd come close to working is if the 'raids' didn't do actual damage/have a negative effect on the people being raided. Which means it would then basically be another PvP map/map type, played as much as the rest. Or, if it did transfer resources in any way from one fleet to another, you'd just get fleets who would evolve to subsist off raiding and come to dominate the landscape. I'd become EVE or Ark or Rust, take your pick.
I would like to hear about new PvP gamemodes, how the OP thinks something like this might work, suggestions for ways to rein in potential abuses, etc.
Given that OP knows exactly what this would do and worded the original poll in a 'heads I win, tails you lose' manner...I'd guess the former but not the latter.
I believe that would be a variant of the MMO player type known as the PK, or Player Killer, who specializes in hunting and killing other players in game for the sole purpose of the PK's enjoyment and griefing, especially if there is the opportunity to loot the body or get some kind of reward out of it unlike PvPers who do it for sport and typically against an equally geared opponent.
Basically a PK is the worst scum and a taint on the honorable PvP community.
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Those of us who want to enjoy the game would not.
PVP is dead and it's time to remove it's stinking rotted corpse from the servers.
I am sorry, but your poll does not provide enough information to choose one option over the other.
For example, you do not list in which items could be raided. Either provisions, items in the fleet bank or EC.
Another thing missing is in what type of system would be in place to ensure that full membered fleets could or could not take on one man banking fleets.
Lastly, OP it has proven time and time again on these forums, any idea can be presented. If you wish for your idea to be given serious thought and consideration by all members of this community; a more fair and balanced poll with a much greater and highly detailed information would work.
I personally like the over all idea of fleets fighting each other, but I cannot support the rest of your idea due to you lack of due diligence this community expects out of new ideas.