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scotsladscotslad Member Posts: 28 Arc User
Please Cryptic, will you do something about the pvp in open zones like Ker'rat. Either make it more balanced and make the pawn are a no kill zone or remove these open zones and turn them into story line zones instead. We were promised more story/exploration content, so far there has been little other than the Temporal and lukari. Unlock Deep Space, add now explorable planets with missions, not just 1 patrol mission. For example, there are lots of planets locked, maybe used once for one mission, after that, you can't enter it, nothing, what a waste of resources. we should be able to return to these planets, you could have settlements that say, need medical help or are being invaded and we need to help them defend and recover. Archaeology, Picard was big on that, add some exploration that involves some research/missions that unlock something that can only be gotten through that and associated with that, maybe trophies for on board your vessel or special R&D packs. I realize you are a profit making company but you are being slated in online media for that because you keep adding c-store products but the content is lackluster after completing an expansion. Give people a reason to stay other than just more stuff to buy, give us, as I suggested, planet based stories that can be accessed at any time by simply entering the systems and I am not talking about patrols, I mean exploring the unknown as it should be.

I know I will get trolled by others by saying i'm wrong, or my information is unfounded etc but true fans of the franchise don't stay in pvp or don't stay in que's for stf's, we want to explore, we want to discover things, hidden/old/new etc. Make the game fun again and have people talking about what they found out about a system rather than, my c-store ships is better than your c-store ship. And on the ship from, change the system so that old T1-T5 ships can be upgraded using the T5 to T5u system but ofc you would need to buy upgrade modules. That way, you earn money and players can revive old loved ships they had from leveling like you are doing with the Nebula. you bring out a new Nebula for 3000 zen yet having the upgrade system would mean having to buy modules, say, 2 at a time for 1 level, i.e. T1 to a T2 would be 2 modules @ 500 zen each. This would make players value older content/ships and make them more valuable to the player. I am sure there are others who would agree with me in that it's a great game but could be a lot better if you changed a few things like the ability to upgrade your old T1 ship to a T6 @ 2 upgrade modules per tier. Do the maths, you earn more from modules that you do for a single ship and since the upgrade is per character, again, more money for you, happy players upgrading their Miranda to a T6.

Anyway, these are my suggestions and would appreciate that you guys at cryptic listen to the ideas I have suggested. oh and one last point, it is easier to work out the stats of upgrading a ship that to come up with completely new stats new look, now whatever for just 3000 zen account unlock ships, just saying.
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    PvP is a dead subject, let it remain so.
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  • leemwatsonleemwatson Member Posts: 5,602 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    Upgrading a 150 year old ship to T6 is just plan old stupid. I was lucky to win a T6 TOS, and it's the most stupid OPness ever! There's no way that that ship can pump out the same damage and take more punishment as, say the Vengance, which is about 4 times bigger! At the moment, there is no (Star Trek) engineering basic common sense to ships and DPS in this game. Whilst I do agree that ships should get better with 'experience', the current meta of levelling a ship to max with-in an hour is just silly, but in no uncertain terms should they be able to match a fresh out of the box T5U/T6. Also bear in mind that the game's timeline has barely moved 2 years, a point T7 'requesters' seem to forget. T6's are brand new, and a massive quantum leap in such a short timeframe is implausible, and yes, I disagree with the release of the 26th/31st century ships to the entire player base. In story terms, they are severely altering the timeline! (Sarcasm intended!)
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  • scotsladscotslad Member Posts: 28 Arc User
    patrickngo wrote: »
    as for your statement about "no True Fan"-that is utter and complete bollocks, (for my fellow americans, "****" works too). I was probably a Trekkie before you were born, likely before your parents, even.

    If sir, you are indeed old enough to have been a Trekkie b4 my parent were born then i'm guessing you must be well over 80 years of age, in that case, your show a lack of maturity in your reply with reference to my post. I sir have been a fan of Star Trek since series 4 of TOS as I was born in 1967 and my parents were watching TOS as I grew up, my reference to "no True Fan" refers to the people who play the game due to their love of the franchise and not just to play an internet game, as a lot of the players are and even more so since the console versions were released. We were promised more content based on exploration etc, Cryptic only just now is starting to give us the Lukari but as I stated, there is so much content being used for a dead part of the game, i.e. open pvp. As to the whole question of PvP question, you receive an answer of No or No comment, should one just roll over and accept that answer or continue to ask until something is actively done? Also, as far as staying out of ker'rat etc, that is like saying, if you are scared of being knocked down by a car, never cross a road or scared of water and swimming, you won't learn to swim unless you enter the water and try to learn.
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  • talonxvtalonxv Member Posts: 4,257 Arc User
    scotslad wrote: »
    patrickngo wrote: »
    as for your statement about "no True Fan"-that is utter and complete bollocks, (for my fellow americans, "****" works too). I was probably a Trekkie before you were born, likely before your parents, even.

    If sir, you are indeed old enough to have been a Trekkie b4 my parent were born then i'm guessing you must be well over 80 years of age, in that case, your show a lack of maturity in your reply with reference to my post. I sir have been a fan of Star Trek since series 4 of TOS as I was born in 1967 and my parents were watching TOS as I grew up, my reference to "no True Fan" refers to the people who play the game due to their love of the franchise and not just to play an internet game, as a lot of the players are and even more so since the console versions were released. We were promised more content based on exploration etc, Cryptic only just now is starting to give us the Lukari but as I stated, there is so much content being used for a dead part of the game, i.e. open pvp. As to the whole question of PvP question, you receive an answer of No or No comment, should one just roll over and accept that answer or continue to ask until something is actively done? Also, as far as staying out of ker'rat etc, that is like saying, if you are scared of being knocked down by a car, never cross a road or scared of water and swimming, you won't learn to swim unless you enter the water and try to learn.

    That does not make you any truer of a Star Trek fan than anyone else. That was the entire point of his post and one I agree with.
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  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,409 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    scotslad wrote: »
    patrickngo wrote: »
    as for your statement about "no True Fan"-that is utter and complete bollocks, (for my fellow americans, "****" works too). I was probably a Trekkie before you were born, likely before your parents, even.

    I sir have been a fan of Star Trek since series 4 of TOS
    If you mean season, I'm afraid to inform you TOS only had 3 seasons. If you really mean "series", then it's either DS9 or Voyager, depending on your view of TAS. If you really mean "series" in TOS, then it's an incorrect and illogical statement.

    Also, there is no open PvP. No player can fight you unless you accept their challenge or go to specific maps.
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
    Kerrat can be quite interesting although with the advent of the temporal powers the creep has become very noticeable.

    E.g. i can spot cloaked vessels from 50km away in my FT5U Nebula snooper build and in addition most cloaked ships don't expect a "cloaked" snooper (MES actually)
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  • rattler2rattler2 Member, Star Trek Online Moderator Posts: 59,174 Community Moderator
    scotslad wrote: »
    patrickngo wrote: »
    as for your statement about "no True Fan"-that is utter and complete bollocks, (for my fellow americans, "****" works too). I was probably a Trekkie before you were born, likely before your parents, even.

    I sir have been a fan of Star Trek since series 4 of TOS
    If you mean season, I'm afraid to inform you TOS only had 3 seasons. If you really mean "series", then it's either DS9 or Voyager, depending on your view of TAS. If you really mean "series" in TOS, then it's an incorrect and illogical statement.

    Also, there is no open PvP. No player can fight you unless you accept their challenge or go to specific maps.

    In my experience, people from Brittain typically use the term series the same way we Americans use the term season in regards to TV shows. Kinda saw that a lot regarding Dr. Who.

    But I would have to agree... unless he's referring to the spiritual Season 4 that was TAS, there is no TOS Season 4.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,559 Arc User
    Leaving aside that "true fan" nonsense (and look at my pic - I bow to none in the age of my fandom)...

    Ker'rat is not an "open zone" - it is a PvP zone. The mission that sends you there is clearly marked as a PvP mission. You don't like PvP? Don't go there. (I used to do Ker'rat when I was trembling on the verge of getting promoted - level 19, level 29, like that - but these days I generally just let DOff missions get me that last little bit of XP.)​​
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    It seems appropriate that scotslad would use the "No True Scotsman" logical fallacy :)

    PVP is dead. Stay out of open PVP areas or get ganked by a griefer.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    A "true fan" lol
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  • cidjackcidjack Member Posts: 2,017 Arc User
    I have a framed picture of the Enterprise A returning to ESD, does that make me a true fan?
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  • thunderfoot#5163 thunderfoot Member Posts: 4,545 Arc User
    Might wanna be careful there, OP. Could be some of those...'fake fans' around these parts. Lucky for us they are really easy to spot. What with the W.O.T.s they post and the uppity airs they put on around here. As far as the I now I'm gonna be trolled bit: Mate, the true fan remark merely places you in the d*^%TRIBBLE$ category. The remark about trolls marks you as one. Pot, meet kettle.
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,708 Arc User
    jonsills wrote: »
    Leaving aside that "true fan" nonsense (and look at my pic - I bow to none in the age of my fandom)...

    Ker'rat is not an "open zone" - it is a PvP zone. The mission that sends you there is clearly marked as a PvP mission. You don't like PvP? Don't go there. (I used to do Ker'rat when I was trembling on the verge of getting promoted - level 19, level 29, like that - but these days I generally just let DOff missions get me that last little bit of XP.)​​

    Not really a PVP zone, but a warzone. Basically a mission with PVP option.
    This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
  • saurializardsaurializard Member Posts: 4,409 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    cidjack wrote: »
    I have a framed picture of the Enterprise A returning to ESD, does that make me a true fan?
    *gasp* Not the Enterprise "no bloody NX, A, B, C, D or E"?!
    That's like saying "Keep going, Captain Wesley" or "Dukat did nothing wrong" (unless you're Neoakiraii, in that case, you deserve a T6 Internet cookie), that's just wrong and you're a sick, traitorous man who watches Star Wars!


    I'm joking of course.
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  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    I mentioned the idea of a paid upgrade token to uplift a low tier ship to T6 standard the other day, so I think it's a great idea. Equally, I think it would be nice to have the option upon a promotion, to either get a new ship from the lovely Lt Laurel, or be able to upgrade one's existing ship to the next level so as to be able to keep it... I only stopped flying the Cruiser Refit, because level walls meant it could go no further (even with upgraded equipment which was actually better than what the 'next ship up' came with as standard...) as it just kept getting kerb-stomped... I would gladly pay to be able to upgrade a ship thus, and if the upgrade token cost the same amount as buying a new T6 ship, then Cryptic not only aren't losing out the cash of a sale, but might make two sales, because someone might still want to buy another T6 ship for the variety B)
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,557 Arc User
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  • evilspokevilspok Member Posts: 59 Arc User
    As someone who exclusively played this game for years, and very much enjoys pvp of all types I was very disappointed to see this post was the opposite of what I was hoping. I left STO entirely because of the lack of pvp, and am currently playing "another space game" now that it is f2p and has massive amounts of pvp. Unfortunately, there is no such thing as open zone pvp in this game.
  • irm1963irm1963 Member Posts: 682 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    patrickngo wrote: »
    plus playing "Starfleet Battles" on tabletop with a couple thousand pages of long-out-of-print rules by FASA.

    OT, but FYI ADB's Starfleet Battles and it's descendants are still going (they've got the rules down to a few hundred or a few dozen depending on the scale of the engagement the rules are designed for in more recent titles :)).

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  • admiralkogaradmiralkogar Member Posts: 875 Arc User
    irm1963 wrote: »
    patrickngo wrote: »
    plus playing "Starfleet Battles" on tabletop with a couple thousand pages of long-out-of-print rules by FASA.

    OT, but FYI ADB's Starfleet Battles and it's descendants are still going (they've got the rules down to a few hundred or a few dozen depending on the scale of the engagement the rules are designed for in more recent titles :)).

    Neutral Zone, last weekend

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    I still run a FASA Star Trek campaign for my pen and paper friends. I got a PDF recently for another set of rules covering the same topic. I need to read them and try them out, and when I do, maybe I'll share what I think.

    In the FASA rules my most epic achievement (and I am proud of it) was to roundly beat two Romulan Battleships and a Light Cruiser with a slightly upgraded 'D7M' battle cruiser. If you know the game, then you will get the idea if I say that the Roms had 178 power between all three ships (68, 68, and 42), while my ship had 48 available.

    That is where my main 'Kogar' comes from. When I came to STO I had to translate him over somehow. Good times. :)

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  • mustrumridcully0mustrumridcully0 Member Posts: 12,963 Arc User
    The rule of IDIC applies. This is the instance of infinite diversity in infinite combinations where PvP and PvE meet. You can choose to ignore it and do somethig else. There are a few places to fight with guaranteed even numbers on PvP PvP sides, and there are places where you can fight the Borg (many of them.)
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  • admiralkogaradmiralkogar Member Posts: 875 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    @scotslad :)

    Wishing you well.

    As to the topic.

    See this;
    http://www.arcgames.com/en/forums/startrekonline#/discussion/1224586/are-you-bold-enough-are-your-friends-list-bold-enough

    Come do this with us. How bad can it be to try it out?

    Qapla'!

    P.S. I like the upgrade idea, as do others here. Maybe if we keep bringing it up?
  • kianazerokianazero Member Posts: 247 Arc User
    According to a friend of mine, no True Fan will acknowledge anything past TOS Season 2, there WAS NO Season 3, no such thing as TNG, DS9, Voy, worthless Movies nor reboot. NOTHING. And anyone who THINKS otherwise is not a True Fan of Star Trek.

    Considering my collection of Star Trek video games, figures, toys, models, movies, series, clothing and more I disagree with him.

    But he insists that only people like him is the only True Fan.
  • marcusdkanemarcusdkane Member Posts: 7,439 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    evilspok wrote: »
    As someone who exclusively played this game for years, and very much enjoys pvp of all types I was very disappointed to see this post was the opposite of what I was hoping. I left STO entirely because of the lack of pvp, and am currently playing "another space game" now that it is f2p and has massive amounts of pvp. Unfortunately, there is no such thing as open zone pvp in this game.
    Thank Q there isn't -- Because that would allow utterly new players to get repeatedly ganked by DPS Queens who've been playing for years and got all the nice gold consoles... Yeah, that's really going to encourage someone to keep playing... If people want to do PvP, fine, let them do it privately, but open zones are just open to abuse...
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  • ironmakoironmako Member Posts: 770 Arc User
    I can see where the OP is coming from with regards to PvP Open Zone, I can see this being a good concept, but here is the issue. Look at the history of other PvP based games, like WOT, COD, BF etc. You end up with a moaning playerbase who want everything rebalancing, everything nerfing, and everything buffed, all at the same time. You get Hackusations, the chat filled with abuse, and all the other negative aspects involved with PvP style games.

    What happens if say you are capturing a flag, standing there with your Polaron split beam rifle, and two enemy players appear firing Boolean cannons at you. Are you going to congratulate them for their guile? Nope, you are going to be filling the chat with abuse, calling them cheaters for carrying OP weapons.

    This is why PvP is dead, the players (ie us humans) ruin it. PvE works, because no players can accuse an NPC of becoming self-aware and cheating (god forbid!).

    Only ever in WOT I used to see the odd well-behaved player who offers a bit of polite sportsmanship to the opposition, but never in any other game.

    An open battlezone like the Dyson Ground Battlezone would be awesome in PvP, but like I said, us humans have a comprehensive history of getting nice things....then promptly ruining them.
  • redvengeredvenge Member Posts: 1,425 Arc User
    I mentioned the idea of a paid upgrade token to uplift a low tier ship to T6 standard the other day, so I think it's a great idea. Equally, I think it would be nice to have the option upon a promotion, to either get a new ship from the lovely Lt Laurel, or be able to upgrade one's existing ship to the next level so as to be able to keep it... I only stopped flying the Cruiser Refit, because level walls meant it could go no further (even with upgraded equipment which was actually better than what the 'next ship up' came with as standard...) as it just kept getting kerb-stomped... I would gladly pay to be able to upgrade a ship thus, and if the upgrade token cost the same amount as buying a new T6 ship, then Cryptic not only aren't losing out the cash of a sale, but might make two sales, because someone might still want to buy another T6 ship for the variety B)
    I like the current trend of "acquire the [T6] version; kitbash with the other ships in the same lineage".
    P.S. I like the upgrade idea, as do others here. Maybe if we keep bringing it up?
    Sure. I just like the idea of more ship parts to mash together.

    The token idea is probably better for the KDF side, since it has far fewer kitbash options and many unique ships that realistically won't receive a [T6] equivalent.
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