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Feeling rather perturbed and frustrated...

Ok, it's been a long while since I did the New Romulus and related rep missions, so I don't know if it was always like this.

Over the last little while, I took my TOS Captain through the New Romulus episode chain. The missions were frustrating to say the least, with endless Subcommander Scientists with their guaranteed kill hyperonic radiation power that nearly instantly wipes my whole team (and this on NORMAL). So, I was glad to put that TRIBBLE behind me.

Tonight I got to tier 2 in the New Romulus rep, and was told to listen to a shuttle recording. To my dismay, I found (after searching around for an hour) that the shuttle in question is in the Mountain Base INSTANCE, and the only way to get to it is to spend another 2 hours being wiped over and over and over by magic Subcommanders. So, I do it. The mission finishes and the popup says to leave the base. I do so, and go to the quest guy at the mouth of the pass, and turn in the mission. However, it doesn't complete the recording mission, it still says Submit Recording. But the quest guy won't allow me to DO that.

So after asking in chat, I'm told I had to do it IN the Base.

And now I'm TICKED OFF. First of all, if there's an objective in the base, the mission shouldn't end BEFORE IT'S DONE. Second, the turn in point for a mission shouldn't be at the end of a mission in an INSTANCE. Third, if there is an objective on a map, it should have some INDICATION on the map. Most often there's a white circle.

I'm REALLY ticked off that I have to go through that whole goddamn mission AGAIN. It wasn't fun the first time. It was paradoxically even LESS fun the second time. Doing it a third time is going to tempt me to punch my monitor.

Move the "Submit Recording" objective OUTSIDE the instance.

It even makes more sense that way. Why would I use the Tal Shiar's computer to submit the message? How about reporting to the Staging Area and reporting to the Admiral there, or the Foreman?

FIX THIS.
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  • admrenlarreckadmrenlarreck Member Posts: 2,041 Arc User
    The easy way to run this is to use the transporter to get there there is one just beside the turn in guy for the mission. What level are you currently at? And is your gear MKXII or better? The turn in point for the submit recording is right buy the shuttles cockpit, Pretty much right where you get the View recording button, after viewing the recording a new button pops up that says submit recording.

    What BOFFs are you taking in with you?

    Oh and your not the first with these issues,
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  • nikeixnikeix Member Posts: 3,972 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    I really don't recall that mission as being noticeably difficult on any of the 3 or so captains I've taken care of that chore on. Are your BOffs fully geared and set up with useful abilities? Ground traits up to date and suitable?

    I know it's about as clever as asking "is it plugged in?" but there are a lot of little moving parts that might have been overlooked :).
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  • vetteguy904vetteguy904 Member Posts: 3,984 Arc User
    God help me i actually agree with Nabreeki. unless they seriously amped up the NPCs of new Romulus, anyone level 60 should be cakewalking this even in mk X white gear. did your traits get unslotted?
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  • seaofsorrowsseaofsorrows Member Posts: 10,919 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    God help me i actually agree with Nabreeki. unless they seriously amped up the NPCs of new Romulus, anyone level 60 should be cakewalking this even in mk X white gear. did your traits get unslotted?

    They didn't, I just did it the other day..

    Something definitely sounds off here, OP you should verify your difficulty settings because what you're describing sounds really wrong. There is no way you could spend 2 hours on this unless you have some kind of really crazy bug. I'm not making fun of you, I really think something is wrong because the mission is not designed to be anywhere near as hard as you have described.

    Check your settings or just give it another try because I promise you, that mission is not difficult. Sometimes you just get a weird glitch or something, maybe the damage scaling was off for some reason.
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  • sheldonlcoopersheldonlcooper Member Posts: 4,042 Arc User
    I have gone through these missions around 10 times now. I'd say the first 6 times I screwed up in some way - more than once doing what the op says about not submitting the recording both at the mountain pass and in the last mission. Then you get to wait 24 hours to redo it. I screwed up the last mission most of all. And there were plenty of problems with being able to start the last mission which seem to have resolved themselves in the last year or two.

    For me the difficulty is not an issue, though years ago it was for the last mission if you went as sci and without a friend. Best advice is to take a friend to assist if you are having trouble. If you have no friend then ask in chat. I bet someone will help even if some make fun.
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  • antonine3258antonine3258 Member Posts: 2,391 Arc User
    I've had the thalaron drones do an issue on me, but the science subcommanders aren't usually too much of a problem.

    On the objective; at least before I thought it generated an objective circle so you can see where it is in the mission for the reputation turn-ins; I haven't run it in a bit and New Romulus I can sort of sleepwalk at this point, so I'm unsure.
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  • jaguarskxjaguarskx Member Posts: 5,945 Arc User
    The New Romulus missions never really gave me any problems; even with my AoY Captain who only uses armor and shields the game rewards; though they have been upgraded to very rare Mk XIV. My away team is made up of 1 tac, 1 eng and 2 sci Boffs. I believe both sci Boffs that two medical tricorder abilities each. Out of habit from doing a couple of elite ground missions (BotSE and MIE) I equip large hypos and large shield batteries.
  • nebfabnebfab Member Posts: 672 Arc User
    I usually have a wipe or two in the mountain pass, with the fresh green lvl 50s but nothing like you describe. So, as everyone else said, it's probably something in your build or your ground boff layout that makes you way too easy to kill.

    That said, the mission-within-mission mechanic in Romulan rep is confusing, mostly because there's nothing like it elsewhere (Recruit/Agent optionals being the closest thing.)
  • where2r1where2r1 Member Posts: 6,054 Arc User
    I have always looked at them as 2 separate objectives in one mission.
    One to finish the "mission" on New Romulus.
    And the second objective that gets tacked on for the New Romulus Rep.
    That way I make sure I catch them both while in the instance.

    I can see why they separated out Rep objectives for tier completion from missions since that time, though.
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    Have to agree with the above. That mission is super easy. The radiation smoke puff thingy barely even does any real damage. Only thing on NR that has ever one-shot me is the Tholian boss in the underground ruins instance.

    Your problem is with your build and/or your boffs.

    Also, only the tier 5 Romulan rep mission has a reward, the rest are just plot cutscenes. Going out of your way to do the tier 2 mission, much less going back to do it again if you forgot to press submit, is a royal waste of time. The only thing that will happen from "submit" is the mission disappearing from your list.
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  • warpangelwarpangel Member Posts: 9,427 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    azrael605 wrote: »
    Even the waves of tholians in the T5 mission are no issue. I run around stopping generator overloads & my boffs handle all of the tholians all by themselves

    True. But I'm usually too lazy to get EV suits for my boffs so I've been there by myself. :*
  • salazarrazesalazarraze Member Posts: 3,794 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    Ok, it's been a long while since I did the New Romulus and related rep missions, so I don't know if it was always like this.
    It was always like this.
    Over the last little while, I took my TOS Captain through the New Romulus episode chain. The missions were frustrating to say the least, with endless Subcommander Scientists with their guaranteed kill hyperonic radiation power that nearly instantly wipes my whole team (and this on NORMAL).
    The problem here is with you. If it's guaranteed to kill you, you're doing something wrong. Bring along a sci boff and give them healing powers.
    Tonight I got to tier 2 in the New Romulus rep, and was told to listen to a shuttle recording. To my dismay, I found (after searching around for an hour) that the shuttle in question is in the Mountain Base INSTANCE, and the only way to get to it is to spend another 2 hours being wiped over and over and over by magic Subcommanders. So, I do it. The mission finishes and the popup says to leave the base. I do so, and go to the quest guy at the mouth of the pass, and turn in the mission. However, it doesn't complete the recording mission, it still says Submit Recording. But the quest guy won't allow me to DO that.

    So after asking in chat, I'm told I had to do it IN the Base.

    And now I'm TICKED OFF. First of all, if there's an objective in the base, the mission shouldn't end BEFORE IT'S DONE. Second, the turn in point for a mission shouldn't be at the end of a mission in an INSTANCE. Third, if there is an objective on a map, it should have some INDICATION on the map. Most often there's a white circle.

    I'm REALLY ticked off that I have to go through that whole goddamn mission AGAIN. It wasn't fun the first time. It was paradoxically even LESS fun the second time. Doing it a third time is going to tempt me to punch my monitor.

    Move the "Submit Recording" objective OUTSIDE the instance.

    It even makes more sense that way. Why would I use the Tal Shiar's computer to submit the message? How about reporting to the Staging Area and reporting to the Admiral there, or the Foreman?

    FIX THIS.
    This is one of the more weird missions in the game in terms of directions given by the quest. It was quite confusing for me the first time that I did it. Fortunately, now that you've managed to complete it. You should no longer have any issues going forward. As far as getting "wiped out" by "magic subcommanders." That issue is with you and your strategy.
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    The thing to remember in those Romulan missions is 'Don't Stand Still' ...

    Keep moving, but also, try not to agro all the Enemy groups at once in a particular area.

    I usually move up close enough so the first group attacks, then back away drawing them and my Away Team back to the point where we can eliminate them without getting stomped on by the next group joining the fray.
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  • antonine3258antonine3258 Member Posts: 2,391 Arc User
    Also: this is not a bad strategy on New Romulus: Anything spawns a drone, kill it first, it's either spewing thalaron or it's going to trap you in a web.
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  • saber1973asaber1973a Member Posts: 1,225 Arc User
    Check your gear and traits before mission (you may need to change traits to get better resistances or healing), check yor BOFFs gear and power sets, then remember that you can send your BOFFs to advance before you, so THEY will aggro all those dangerous enemies :) .
    When i do it on toons, that are freshly raised on DOFF assignments (with gear like Mk VIII green) then i will be wiped once or twice too, but hours of fights to get it done... ouch ... i think you are doing something wrong (but no idea what).
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    I've actually seen that several times over the past week. NPC Hyperonic radiation will sometimes do 80-90 damage per tick.... that's a rather large chunk of your hp to lose every single second.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    I did the Romulus missions with my TOS captain a couple of months ago and only had problems with the final rep mission. I managed to survive but wasn't quick enough to prevent the optional "stop the power overload."

    My TOS captain is an engineer, and the boffs are 1 tac, 1 eng, 2 sci. If your squad is all tacs then there are no turret / mortar decoys to draw fire, and no one to heal damage and recharge shields.

    My captain uses the TOS phaser sniper rifle, so I create turrets before engaging then snipe to lure enemies into their firing zone. I also have my eng boff create turrets before engaging.
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  • davefenestratordavefenestrator Member Posts: 10,865 Arc User
    edited November 2016
    Having gone through the whole mission to the shuttle, I interact with the consoles by the shuttle and a window pops up saying I can leave the base. So, I leave the base. There was no way to know I had yet to interact with the shuttle. The objectives window said only "LEAVE THE BASE," nothing about listening to the recording or submitting the recording. That only appeared AFTER I had left the base.

    So, the problem I'm saying the need to fix is the way the mission information is provided and the objectives are completed.

    I agree with this part. I did the same thing with my first character to do the Romulan rep back in 2014. But after that I've remembered the need to view and submit the recordings for each rep mission.

    They overlaid the rep mission on top of the repeatable mission, but their scripting only takes the repeatable mission into account. This is a design flaw that's been there for 2+ years now.
  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    I think the Hyperonic radiation thing might be new behavior. Like you said, it used to be far less of a problem. I wonder if it's somehow related to the fact kit modules are upgradable now? Maybe the NPCs are using the equivalent of mk14 hyperonic now instead of mk10?
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  • ssbn655ssbn655 Member Posts: 1,894 Arc User
    Ok, it's been a long while since I did the New Romulus and related rep missions, so I don't know if it was always like this.

    Over the last little while, I took my TOS Captain through the New Romulus episode chain. The missions were frustrating to say the least, with endless Subcommander Scientists with their guaranteed kill hyperonic radiation power that nearly instantly wipes my whole team (and this on NORMAL). So, I was glad to put that **** behind me.

    Tonight I got to tier 2 in the New Romulus rep, and was told to listen to a shuttle recording. To my dismay, I found (after searching around for an hour) that the shuttle in question is in the Mountain Base INSTANCE, and the only way to get to it is to spend another 2 hours being wiped over and over and over by magic Subcommanders. So, I do it. The mission finishes and the popup says to leave the base. I do so, and go to the quest guy at the mouth of the pass, and turn in the mission. However, it doesn't complete the recording mission, it still says Submit Recording. But the quest guy won't allow me to DO that.

    So after asking in chat, I'm told I had to do it IN the Base.

    And now I'm TICKED OFF. First of all, if there's an objective in the base, the mission shouldn't end BEFORE IT'S DONE. Second, the turn in point for a mission shouldn't be at the end of a mission in an INSTANCE. Third, if there is an objective on a map, it should have some INDICATION on the map. Most often there's a white circle.

    I'm REALLY ticked off that I have to go through that whole goddamn mission AGAIN. It wasn't fun the first time. It was paradoxically even LESS fun the second time. Doing it a third time is going to tempt me to punch my monitor.

    Move the "Submit Recording" objective OUTSIDE the instance.

    It even makes more sense that way. Why would I use the Tal Shiar's computer to submit the message? How about reporting to the Staging Area and reporting to the Admiral there, or the Foreman?

    FIX THIS.

    LMAO it's not broken it's you. PERIOD. But hey WTF do I know I only ran this mission 10 times on 10 charecters. ZERO problems. So buck it up cupcake and admit you have no clue how to play the game.
  • kodachikunokodachikuno Member Posts: 6,020 Arc User1
    I did this mission quite recently on my TOSlings.... it wasn't that hard so... something about your setup is off I think
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  • markhawkmanmarkhawkman Member Posts: 35,236 Arc User
    I think AI equivalents of kit powers might have been unintentionally buffed by the kit revamp. Yesterday I played Vorgon conclusions and I got one-shotted by a tripwire drone! While they normally do noticeable damage, this was not normal.
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    I think AI equivalents of kit powers might have been unintentionally buffed by the kit revamp. Yesterday I played Vorgon conclusions and I got one-shotted by a tripwire drone! While they normally do noticeable damage, this was not normal.

    ok that would suck O.o
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  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    Ok, it's been a long while since I did the New Romulus and related rep missions, so I don't know if it was always like this.

    Over the last little while, I took my TOS Captain through the New Romulus episode chain. The missions were frustrating to say the least, with endless Subcommander Scientists with their guaranteed kill hyperonic radiation power that nearly instantly wipes my whole team (and this on NORMAL). So, I was glad to put that **** behind me.

    Tonight I got to tier 2 in the New Romulus rep, and was told to listen to a shuttle recording. To my dismay, I found (after searching around for an hour) that the shuttle in question is in the Mountain Base INSTANCE, and the only way to get to it is to spend another 2 hours being wiped over and over and over by magic Subcommanders. So, I do it. The mission finishes and the popup says to leave the base. I do so, and go to the quest guy at the mouth of the pass, and turn in the mission. However, it doesn't complete the recording mission, it still says Submit Recording. But the quest guy won't allow me to DO that.

    So after asking in chat, I'm told I had to do it IN the Base.

    And now I'm TICKED OFF. First of all, if there's an objective in the base, the mission shouldn't end BEFORE IT'S DONE. Second, the turn in point for a mission shouldn't be at the end of a mission in an INSTANCE. Third, if there is an objective on a map, it should have some INDICATION on the map. Most often there's a white circle.

    I'm REALLY ticked off that I have to go through that whole goddamn mission AGAIN. It wasn't fun the first time. It was paradoxically even LESS fun the second time. Doing it a third time is going to tempt me to punch my monitor.

    Move the "Submit Recording" objective OUTSIDE the instance.

    It even makes more sense that way. Why would I use the Tal Shiar's computer to submit the message? How about reporting to the Staging Area and reporting to the Admiral there, or the Foreman?

    FIX THIS.

    Did you play the message at the console? if i remember right thats where you turn it in is at the instance , its been a while since i ran it though .
  • officerbatman81officerbatman81 Member Posts: 2,761 Arc User
    I LOL'ed at this hard.
    Yeah, i neglected to hit "submit recording" too and had to redo the mission. But i didnt freak out and took my blunder like man and just redid it.

    That the way it works. As intended.
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